Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

What is the passionate hatred for duel cab utes.

Let me take that one. Generally the drivers of said vehicles are (in WA mostly, and I'm sure it's across this wide brown land) Ford Rangers with drivers that seem to have been trained that BMW drivers are overly careful perfectionists when it comes to indicating and they don't need to be that conscientious.

I suppose it's because Dual Cab drivers are generally young tradies who are convinced that A) they don't need to worry about the tax man, and ; their **** doesn't stink.

I have other words for them but they'd be censored.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Man .... you just have a real thing for useful cars. What is the passionate hatred for duel cab utes. I was looking today while I was driving around. They wouldn't even be one in 100 cars I spotted. I dont' understand your obsession. I don't see how an electric throw-away is better for hte environment than twin cab utes.

I find this interesting. You're saying their 1/100. and I'm saying they are far far more common in Brisbane. As I sit here.. not far from the CBD I can see from my window 5 Dual cabs (one of which is an actual work vehicle), and three SUV(4x4). I can see four "cars".

I find this odd - I'm trying to find a dirt road to shake the camper down and it's looking like being at least 4 hours drive from Brisbane to find any significant amount of road that isn't bitumen.

Even leaving aside environmental aspects - these vehicles don't provide good safety outcomes when used in populated areas. Pedestrian fatalities up 50%! Cyclist fatalities up 40% (although some of that might be e-motos)..

ssociate Professor Milad Haghani and Research Fellow Iman Taheri Sarteshnizi from the University of Melbourne recently wrote that vehicles, while becoming safer for their occupants, have become more dangerous to vulnerable road users.

Haghani and Sarteshnizi, citing recent international research, speculated that an increase in the number of large vehicles on the road, such as SUVs and large utes, could be contributing to the rising share of pedestrian fatalities.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/pedest...ty-statistics/

While I'm in here.

Hussein Dia, a professor of transport technology and sustainability at the Swinburne University of Technology, said electric vehicles can play a meaningful role in improving Australia’s energy sovereignty, as well as contributing to the national net zero emissions goal.


“Each EV replacing that vehicle effectively eliminates that fuel demand and instead shifts energy consumption to electricity, which is largely produced domestically,” Dia said.


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“That reduces exposure to global oil price shocks and improves the resilience of the transport system. We don’t want to experience the same thing every few years.”
A typical petrol car travelling 15,000km a year might consume roughly 1,150 litres of fuel, which means “even moderate EV penetration can make a noticeable difference”, Dia said.

Replacing 1m petrol cars with EVs could cut Australia’s reliance on foreign fuel by 1bn litres a year | Electric vehicles | The Guardian

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

But I don't hate them. I hate the type of stupidity that gets said about them. There is absolutely not doubt, they are crap compared to a proper car from a user perspective. This does not mean I hate electric cars, its a simple statement of fact. Even my parents own a crappy chinese electric throw-away. They love it. It works for them (though like everyone else they have other proper cars for when they need something decent rather than a toy car). You know .... just like you.

If you exclude my Simpson job - all of our families K's have been done in the EV. There is just no reason to drive a hulking 4x4 around the city.

The defender is in it's element off road, the lotus on a mountain road, and the EV's element is pretty much everywhere else.

As I've said before - if you took out my remote travel thing I'd happily just run the EV.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I find this interesting. You're saying their 1/100. and I'm saying they are far far more common in Brisbane. As I sit here.. not far from the CBD I can see from my window 5 Dual cabs (one of which is an actual work vehicle), and three SUV(4x4). I can see four "cars".

I find this odd - I'm trying to find a dirt road to shake the camper down and it's looking like being at least 4 hours drive from Brisbane to find any significant amount of road that isn't bitumen......]

How much dirt road are you looking for?

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I find this interesting. You're saying their 1/100. and I'm saying they are far far more common in Brisbane. As I sit here.. not far from the CBD I can see from my window 5 Dual cabs (one of which is an actual work vehicle), and three SUV(4x4). I can see four "cars".

I find this odd - I'm trying to find a dirt road to shake the camper down and it's looking like being at least 4 hours drive from Brisbane to find any significant amount of road that isn't bitumen.

Even leaving aside environmental aspects - these vehicles don't provide good safety outcomes when used in populated areas. Pedestrian fatalities up 50%! Cyclist fatalities up 40% (although some of that might be e-motos)..



https://www.drive.com.au/news/pedest...ty-statistics/

Wow, you can see five. Do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on? On the drive to take the kids to school this morning I spotted probably eight twin cab utes (its not a long drive). Only two of them were not setup as work vehicles (they were setup for offroad .... stupid big wheels, awnings and a canopy on the tub). I probably spotted 1/2 dozen electric throw-aways. Which makes sense, the only sensible use for the throw-aways is local trips running the kids around.

I'm not the only one that has noticed morons seem to buy rangers. Interesting, yes just like bmw drivers they seem to think they are "better" than those around them.

Oh, and I've been looking at every twin cab ute I can see for a couple of weeks trying to find "all those women driving them under the husbands business". You know, I have actually spotted one single female driving a twin cab ute. I probably shouldn't mention she was also towing a horse float at the time ... But yeah, I'm sure she just had it "because" her husband bought her a cheap car.

The luny lefties just keep getting nutter IMO.

Our work twin cab utes often do the school pickup run if the boys start extra early on the job.
Sometimes the wives even take them to pick up the kids.

And on the odd occasion,SWMBO will pick them up in the Land Cruiser......

Let people just do what they want, an EV would NEVER do the job of those vehicles.

If you have ever seen the line of country vehicles,at a private boarding school,dropping off students at the beginning of the term,either here or in Toowoomba,the line of D/C utes and Land Cruisers is amazing.

Originally Posted by scarry

Our work twin cab utes often do the school pickup run if the boys start extra early on the job.
Sometimes the wives even take them to pick up the kids.

And on the odd occasion,SWMBO will pick them up in the Land Cruiser......

Let people just do what they want, an EV would NEVER do the job of those vehicles.

If you have ever seen the line of country vehicles,at a private boarding school,dropping off students at the beginning of the term,either here or in Toowoomba,the line of D/C utes and Land Cruisers is amazing.

I do love how everyone in this thread acknowledges that there is a high proportion of Ranger drivers who are.. questionable.

In the next breath they deny effect advertising has had on people vehicle choices. People are easily led. If your advertising theme is manly men doing manly things in Rangers. People feel as though they have to fit in. People have been convinced they need SUV's and Dual cabs for everything and that anything less is just useless.

Like they say.. everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face. I really wish this crisis wasn't happening... but we're passengers here. I do hope that this crisis is enough to make people think more pragmatically about their car choices. If they do our cities will be safer and more pleasant places to be, and it will mean less pressure on people who actually need one to find alternatives. Oh and we'll need a lot less imported oil products.