Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by scarry

Nothing to do with the scare campaign on Evs,that was years ago.

As has been said on this thread many times,people just don't want them,and for many, in their current form,won't do what people want a vehicle to do.

They might be selling a few more now,in Aus,but that is not much more than a knee jerk reaction,time will tell.

I think it would be a great time to sell an electric throw-away. People might actually take the risk of buying a used one at the moment (especially if they don't understand the throw-away nature of the things).

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I think it would be a great time to sell an electric throw-away. People might actually take the risk of buying a used one at the moment (especially if they don't understand the throw-away nature of the things).

You keep childishly name calling EVs throwaway, explain to me in which way they're any more throwaway than any new car purchased in the last five years.

Originally Posted by scarry

and for many, in their current form,won't do what people want a vehicle to do.

I'd go as far as saying, they won't do what people need a vehicle to do.

Rather than 'Throwing them away' some people prefer to put their old ICE rides out to pasture much like in the 1700"s.

These things have grossly inefficient piston engines derived from a 1700's concept................steam engines.

I own 3 registered ICE vehicles and use them and I can't see anything wrong with owning an EV.

I'd most likely drive it 90% of the time and it would cost me jack to run.

Here's a link to another side of this.........and China's new truck sales for similar distance freight trucks have risen to 50%.

Australia'''s heaviest trucks go electric with zero-emission freight depot - ABC News

DL

Originally Posted by 350RRC

Rather than 'Throwing them away' some people prefer to put their old ICE rides out to pasture much like in the 1700"s.

These things have grossly inefficient piston engines derived from a 1700's concept................steam engines.

I own 3 registered ICE vehicles and use them and I can't see anything wrong with owning an EV.

I'd most likely drive it 90% of the time and it would cost me jack to run.

Here's a link to another side of this.........and China's new truck sales for similar distance freight trucks have risen to 50%.

Australia'''s heaviest trucks go electric with zero-emission freight depot - ABC News

DL

I don't get it .... What is the point of building one single truck recharge place. Tell me the tax payers are not in any funding this folly. Just look at california for example. They have been screaming "all trucks must be electric". Talk about fantasy land. So we have managed to "sort of" build some high speed chargers scattered over australia for the throw-away cars. Would you believe, its incredibly expensive to build a fast EV charger .... has no profit margins, is hugely unreliable and very hard to find somewhere with the power infrastructure to allow it.

How many billions (as in $xxx,000,000,000) has california spent on this lunacy. It would bankrupt australia if we even tried. This must be the stupidty my father mentioned to me "I read we could convert the australia trucking fleet to electric for less than the cost of building refinaries".

Yeah, sure. Now you would need a 1.5 MW charger easily to charge a big heavy australian semi truck. However given the time it takes to charge and the number of trucks. You would probably need twenty chargers where every truck stop currently is. Now 1.5MW x 20 x 1.2 (lets say 80% efficient). We are going to want at least a 36MW grid connection (that is a 36,000,000 watt grid connection).

Sure these types of grid connection and capacities are growing on trees. We can't manage them for the little electric throw-away currently running around the streets, but sure thing, lets throw a few billion ( trillion ??) of the tax payers $$$ at it. Because I can 100% guarantee there is no way private business would ever fund such utter stupidity.

Lets give it another 5 years and see how california is going (that is just one area, not an entire country). If they manage it there, it will be a graphic demonstration of the incredible cost and inefficiencies.

those giant batteries sure make fabulous impossible to put out fires though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkMSzmCqsRY

FFS: they can't even get them across a mountain range not towing without bursting into flames.

There is interesting stuff happening though, have a look at Edison motors in Canada, they have a youtube channel. Like everything, electric/hybrid truck will have a small niche where they are pefect. But long haul tranport across countries such as Australia and America is just lunacy.

Have a look at the stupid electric boat they built in tassie if you want a graphic demonstration on how battery electric is not really feasable when you scale it up. What use is a ferry that has a 30mile reliable range (doesn't that mean it can't even sail from Geelong to Melbourne .... just laughable).

Originally Posted by 350RRC

Rather than 'Throwing them away' some people prefer to put their old ICE rides out to pasture much like in the 1700"s.

These things have grossly inefficient piston engines derived from a 1700's concept................steam engines.

I own 3 registered ICE vehicles and use them and I can't see anything wrong with owning an EV.

I'd most likely drive it 90% of the time and it would cost me jack to run.

DL

Oh I ignored you and went off on a tangent of the stupidity of trucks. Yes, I'm 100% sure most could get away with 95% of the use being covered by an electric throw-away. They are really nice to drive too.

I don't see what hte number of registered cars means? I have five fully registered cars and several club permit cars .... I'm not sure why this matters with regards to electric throw-aways

However, lets be reasonable. First to own one you need to be wealthy enough to buy a new car (no-one is going to be insane enough to buy a used throw-away. Who is going to buy a 5+ year old battery vehicle where the battery is worth more than the market value of the car). A lot say "its free to run". Yes, if you are wealthy enough to own your own house, a house with off street parking, a house with a huge solar array.... and you don't work (ie: retired).... or you work from home. Yes, in theory you can run you expensive new car "for free" .... You "just" need to go buy yourself a nice million++++ dollar home to go with your new electric throw-away ... simple!!!

I've never owned a car less than 20years old, my wife has never owned a car less than 8years old. We simply could not afford them. How does this work with electric throw-aways (yes, I know the batteries will last 50 year and 25 million kms or whatever fantasy figure thrown around).

Electric throw-aways would be fantastic for some, but they aren't going to "solve" anything. I'm positive they are going to be an absolute nightmare in 10years time as the aging batteries start torching off over the world. We will be burying them by the million to stop torching off half the planet. What alternative is there (there is not "real" recycling of these batteries, certainly nothing that can cope with the 60+ million electric vehicle now in the world).

Originally Posted by 350RRC

Rather than 'Throwing them away' some people prefer to put their old ICE rides out to pasture much like in the 1700"s.

These things have grossly inefficient piston engines derived from a 1700's concept................steam engines.

I own 3 registered ICE vehicles and use them and I can't see anything wrong with owning an EV.

I'd most likely drive it 90% of the time and it would cost me jack to run.

Here's a link to another side of this.........and China's new truck sales for similar distance freight trucks have risen to 50%.

Australia'''s heaviest trucks go electric with zero-emission freight depot - ABC News

DL

This is exactly my take. They make an ideal companion to other ICE cars if that suits your situation. Despite assertions elsewhere they are reliable, cheap to own, and will likely last as long as any modern car (Probably longer than an modern landrover **cough**).

I don't think they are the everything car. My landrover is sensational for remote touring and off roading. My sports car is great on a winding mountain road (and being worked on :| ). The EV covers everything else.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Oh I ignored you and went off on a tangent of the stupidity of trucks. Yes, I'm 100% sure most could get away with 95% of the use being covered by an electric throw-away. They are really nice to drive too.

I don't see what hte number of registered cars means? I have five fully registered cars and several club permit cars .... I'm not sure why this matters with regards to electric throw-aways

However, lets be reasonable. First to own one you need to be wealthy enough to buy a new car (no-one is going to be insane enough to buy a used throw-away. Who is going to buy a 5+ year old battery vehicle where the battery is worth more than the market value of the car). A lot say "its free to run". Yes, if you are wealthy enough to own your own house, a house with off street parking, a house with a huge solar array.... and you don't work (ie: retired).... or you work from home. Yes, in theory you can run you expensive new car "for free" .... You "just" need to go buy yourself a nice million++++ dollar home to go with your new electric throw-away ... simple!!!

I've never owned a car less than 20years old, my wife has never owned a car less than 8years old. We simply could not afford them. How does this work with electric throw-aways (yes, I know the batteries will last 50 year and 25 million kms or whatever fantasy figure thrown around).

Electric throw-aways would be fantastic for some, but they aren't going to "solve" anything. I'm positive they are going to be an absolute nightmare in 10years time as the aging batteries start torching off over the world. We will be burying them by the million to stop torching off half the planet. What alternative is there (there is not "real" recycling of these batteries, certainly nothing that can cope with the 60+ million electric vehicle now in the world).

I appreciate that I am lucky to occasionally buy a new car. I get that.

But saying that everyone should run a fleet of 20+ year old cars is just crazy. I've been through the numbers.. once you get to that age the number of survivors is tiny and for good reason.

Just as you're asserting that I'm telling everyone that we must all only drive EV's - I think you should realise that for most people owning older cars is not always feasible. Most people these days have no ability to do even basic maintenance on cars. If you can't do stuff yourself it's a world of hurt. I was talking to a bloke a few weeks ago (shark owner becase one day he might want to go onto the beach). Anyway this guy had to be shown how to remove a wheel cover off a wheel. 50 year old bloke.

Just becuase you can work on cars - pat yourself on the back but don't assume everyone can.