Grid can go 75% renewable

With a certain B joyce hammering wind farms and apparently supporting Small Nuclear Reactors like I do the world is a funny place. The Wind thing is a HUGE and very funny title- Hope no ones offended adding here as it is a bit political I suppose

"Of ‘poo-tickets’ and power stations: Barnaby Joyce takes on big wind

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"Winterbourne Wind project go ahead, about 55 landholders stand to earn about $30,000 per turbine hosted on their land a year. Some could have up to 10 turbines. Vesta has also entered into negotiations with some neighbours who would be in sight of the towers for further payments.Total investment in the region would be about $1 billion over the life of the project.

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A few farmers I know would like easy 330,000 p.a. rent![bigwhistle]"NSW government’s New England Renewable Energy Zone." that means I assume NSW wants it?

Issues for some is if "income generated by new renewables is worth the impact on the landscape."

Huge land footprint of some Western Vic wind farms is clearly not everyone favorite - I do not mind it myself - I would not want them everywhere as might be needed IF they are the only option. They are not happily.

PS not investment advice. I do own shares in a NYSE listed Small Nuclear Reactor company- I might loose money[thumbsupbig]

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With a certain B joyce hammering wind farms and apparently supporting Small Nuclear Reactors like I do the world is a funny place. The Wind thing is a HUGE and very funny title- Hope no ones offended adding here as it is a bit political I suppose

"Of ‘poo-tickets’ and power stations: Barnaby Joyce takes on big wind

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"Winterbourne Wind project go ahead, about 55 landholders stand to earn about $30,000 per turbine hosted on their land a year. Some could have up to 10 turbines. Vesta has also entered into negotiations with some neighbours who would be in sight of the towers for further payments.Total investment in the region would be about $1 billion over the life of the project.

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A few farmers I know would like easy 330,000 p.a. rent![bigwhistle]"NSW government’s New England Renewable Energy Zone." that means I assume NSW wants it?

Issues for some is if "income generated by new renewables is worth the impact on the landscape."

Huge land footprint of some Western Vic wind farms is clearly not everyone favorite - I do not mind it myself - I would not want them everywhere as might be needed IF they are the only option. They are not happily.

PS not investment advice. I do own shares in a NYSE listed Small Nuclear Reactor company- I might loose money[thumbsupbig]

Censor if needs please MODs AKA Legends

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Don't they make a heap of noise?

The ones i have seen do,if they all do, i wouldn't want to be anywhere near them.

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Don't they make a heap of noise?

The ones i have seen do,if they all do, i wouldn't want to be anywhere near them.

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The nuclear reactors I have been near were all very quiet???[biggrin]

Just kidding. The noise is interesting. I hear[biggrin] lots of grumbling about it. You can get very close to the ones at Cape Bridgewater Vic and honestly the wind/ wave noise is much louder

GE suggests "The closest that a wind turbine is typically placed to a home is 300 meters or more. At that distance, a turbine will have a sound pressure level of 43 decibels. To put that in context, the average air conditioner can reach 50 decibels of noise, and most refrigerators run at around 40 decibels."

I'd assume you could barely hear anything at 1000m or more.

Hydro TASS have it recorded for us[biggrin]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-sUDSwsE_w

This was interesting- Road seem to be the looser for those living near one[biggrin]

20db or 50% of background noise at 2000m
Ditto for 1000m (almost impossible to hear!)
just under 40db at 500m and still under background noise level (Just)
It is clearly audible at 250m Not as loud as I listen to pod casts when running[biggrin] The several I have heard at this or less a distance did not stop conversations at normal levels

Noise seems a bit of a beat up?

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Noise seems a bit of a beat up?

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Well,maybe,but noise is difficult to quantify,even in perfect recording conditions.
Also different people have a different perception of noise.

The vid was for one,just imagine 10 of them going 24/7.That is if the wind is blowing....

Anyway,it won't worry me,there are none around here.[biggrin]

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Well,maybe,but noise is difficult to quantify,even in perfect recording conditions.
Also different people have a different perception of noise.

The vid was for one,just imagine 10 of them going 24/7.That is if the wind is blowing....

Anyway,it won't worry me,there are none around here.[biggrin]

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None here in the city. There was one at Denham shark bay WA when I was diving there. Honestly never noticed it despite it being very close by. I still have very good hearing for Doppler shift and entertaining quiet noises[thumbsupbig]

I wished I recorded my elderly in laws driving away before. Just as they got out of sight the NOISE of a BEAST of a car which had to be 1000m plus away was well over 60db[bigrolf]

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Well,maybe,but noise is difficult to quantify,even in perfect recording conditions.
Also different people have a different perception of noise.

The vid was for one,just imagine 10 of them going 24/7.That is if the wind is blowing....

Anyway,it won't worry me,there are none around here.[biggrin]

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When the wind is blowing - even a light breeze, you can barely hear them when you’re right in the middle of a large group of them - noise is a beat up by the have nots on the other side of the fence to the haves - it always has been. Those who’s land is picked for wind farms and get paid rent can’t hear them but the poor guy who doesn’t get any on his land is the one that jacks up about them.

Grids are just a part of the issue with power to users. Transmission lines/storage if you must or can and more of course.

NZ is a case study we should be learning from. Very very good C02 free power options. Now the bit above bites "New Zealanders told 'be prepared to be without power for days or weeks' as Cyclone Gabrielle takes toll

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We have all or most of us have had a storm (or several) not that long ago that knocked out power for hours days or a week or more in some places. Texas big freeze recalled (2021)?

The Turkiye earthquake and or Gas/Oil Russian war all add complexity to supplies even here! WA coal bail out in nsw after a failure to plan is another case study in what not to do or importantly - what not to allow to happen perhaps.

Aspects of our transmission grid are vulnerable to fire, high winds, Floods and other shocks. Loss or Intermittence of power costs a lot of money. Grid can be 100% C02 free inside the next ten years if done correctly.

Being held hostage to world events or poor planing is not helping us at all. [bigwhistle]

I was at wind farm at Crookwell some 20+ years ago and I even took some video of the place.

We were pretty close to the turbines and you could not hear them.

But, IMO they are still an eye-saw!

I was reading a post elsewhere of a chap recently travelling through Scotland.... in one area there are 1,500 turbines, some of which are close to 200+ m tall. The UK government pays the operators in lieu to shut them down when there is oversupply of power and they're not needed. Over the past several years, some GBP2+ billion has been paid out for "non production"... I envisage a time that as these turbines reach their use-by date, the smart money will have bundled them into an "asset trust" (like the bundling and sale of dud mortgages in the USA which kicked off the GFC) and sold them off to some sucker who is then left to "recycle the un-recyclable"... but what would I know?[bighmmm]:soapbox:

On a very long enjoyable country Drive I listen to a man who was selling at a very large scale Solar Panels- He is not any more for a few interesting reasons DOOMBERG [bigwhistle] Canadian I think.

His discussion on Solar were interesting. His comments about wind are a bit HOT? High Blade faliure rates and errosion of base on off shore wind and a lot more.

He is physics based on EROI and energy Density so thinks Nuclear is the only option and used several examples of trillions spend on dreams that are increasing costs and decreasing reliability.


This interview discussed him at about Minute 20. All the nice enthusiastic people I know who love wind Solar and Hydro are fine. The question none can answer is 100% uptime and the significant increase in power required well over the current supply used or the 80% of the world who currently have almost no reliable power supply.

Noted Mr Doomberg did not like hydrogen power via fuel cells[bigwhistle] that might be my pipe dream?? He thought hydrogen combustion was better! Sorry to say his complete interview is subscription only via substack I think. I saw him on a subscription service from the gent in the video.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O784GGu8fPU&t=277s