Hypothetical conversation between Tesla and a facility manager

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Prius's do not have Lithium Ion batteries.

In Australia they have always had Nicad.

I read a couple of years ago that even the new model which had Lion in say the USA have Nicad in Australia.
it looks like the Nicads have had great reliability.
Regards PhilipA

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Yes, but again, I wasn’t making a point about the tech but on how cheap they became second hand so quickly due to perceived issues around the cost of replacing the batteries.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Haven't sold one yet so couldn't comment[biggrin]


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A 2013 leaf at 14K is the cheapest ev on car sales in Melbourne. That is crazy[tonguewink] carsales.com.au
Might just be those crazy Victorian prices???? None available in Brisbane? Zip in Sydney? Perth low price is a 2013 Leaf costing sorry asking "$16,999*"
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/western-australia-state/perth-region/electric-fueltype/'sort=%7ePrice

Gumtree prices OUCH ? carsales.com.au
We may need to check the numbers again on resale?

We clearly need to reconsider running costs[bawl] I just ran past a place at over $2 per litre[tonguewink][tonguewink][tonguewink] When will fuel prices settle? Gas oil and.. up over 95% in less than 12 months! OUCH plus for many reasons.

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Yeah - a $55K vehicle being sold for $14K 8 years after it was bought - not pretty. Trade in price is around half that.

While I’m happy for anyone who has an EV and enjoys it, etc I just don’t see any math - no matter how hard you fudge it, that makes them economically viable.

Wonder if I can pick up an MY22 Defender in 8 years for $20 to $25K [emoji56] - even given Land Rovers do depreciate faster than most other Marques, there isn’t much chance of that.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Yeah - a $55K vehicle being sold for $14K 8 years after it was bought - not pretty. Trade in price is around half that.

While I’m happy for anyone who has an EV and enjoys it, etc I just don’t see any math - no matter how hard you fudge it, that makes them economically viable.

Wonder if I can pick up an MY22 Defender in 8 years for $20 to $25K [emoji56] - even given Land Rovers do depreciate faster than most other Marques, there isn’t much chance of that.

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Wife saw a Lexus ES at a auction where I brought a my first D3. She was furious. I had to stop her from buying it!!! [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]
It sold for $2k. We know it as a $80k car five years prior and exactly the same as hers[biggrin] Depreciation is not nice! Oddly I did sell that ES two years ago for $4000. Everyone in the family had used it an no one wanted it any more[biggrin] Not suggesting old cars are worth a lot or little. Nor do I get $200 per hour ever. I charged a dopey medical centre a bit more than that just once after they stuffed up after I had given them the correct advice they did not follow and demanded my help- I sent one of my staff to fix it for them by showing them how I do it 'again' and tossed the invoice at the silly sod assuming it would not be paid. It was which in some ways made me feel bad[bighmmm].

Just at Ritters picking up two bits for my D3. Ordered and paid several months ago and dopey me had not picked them up. They had painted them for me! Nice. Yet to pay for that bit and no storage charges imposed [thumbsupbig] A very sporty type jumped out of a new disco, She did have a D3 before the current model she made look very cool. Her comment re her Prior D3 was it used to much fuel. Perhaps around the city type but that's an assumption. She may be a super star long distance hard core 4wd type.

I want a FCEV conversion or Disco 3 equivalent replacement. My quirky little ev is not ever a Disco replacement.

Excuse me if I am making people grumpy. I do assume a lot of people will be a lot better off with a non Ice option very soon. Not insisting anyone takes that leap myself. [thumbsupbig]

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At my funeral.. I want my best friend to take the bouquet off my casket..and throw it into the crowd..and yell who's next..

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Yeah - a $55K vehicle being sold for $14K 8 years after it was bought - not pretty. Trade in price is around half that.

While I’m happy for anyone who has an EV and enjoys it, etc I just don’t see any math - no matter how hard you fudge it, that makes them economically viable.

Wonder if I can pick up an MY22 Defender in 8 years for $20 to $25K [emoji56] - even given Land Rovers do depreciate faster than most other Marques, there isn’t much chance of that.

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Well my 2014 Defender has gone from 60,000 to 95,000 according to Shannons,
Sadly sitting in the shed all alone

There's a 'technical' term to describe the current attitude of many self-righteous EV owners (present company on this forum excepted![thumbsupbig]) and most in the 'renewables' industry who believe they are entitled to free everything or massive subsidies from the public purse...they are referred to as "Rent Seekers"...and rightly so..

I'm not "anti" the EV movement... indeed I am firmly of the view that a small, lightweight EV for suburban use would be ideal!

However, the lack of comprehension by the political elites of all persuasions, of the realities of power generation required for their grand vision is breathtaking... .:soapbox:

Talking to a bloke who came from a regional city, who lived in a court. In that court there were 4 E.V. owners who were charging their vehicles at home. One hot night, there was that much load on the system that it it overloaded and the court lost power.

One of them went for a drive to the beach and the vehicle ran out of power on the way home and the vehicle had to be flat topped home, very concerning.

I am going to start a business with a ute and a genset, that can be an emergency battery charging unit and make it available to recharge E.V. vehicles that have run out of power on the side of a road during a trip. I will make the recharge cheaper than a flat top retrieval.
Maybe this is what the greenies say will be one of the emerging industries that come from our low carbon future. I might just be able to carry some hydrogen also to cater for heavy vehicles.
Lindsay.

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Originally Posted by oldyella 76

Talking to a bloke who came from a regional city, who lived in a court. In that court there were 4 E.V. owners who were charging their vehicles at home. One hot night, there was that much load on the system that it it overloaded and the court lost power.

One of them went for a drive to the beach and the vehicle ran out of power on the way home and the vehicle had to be flat topped home, very concerning.

I am going to start a business with a ute and a genset, that can be an emergency battery charging unit and make it available to recharge E.V. vehicles that have run out of power on the side of a road during a trip. I will make the recharge cheaper than a flat top retrieval.
Maybe this is what the greenies say will be one of the emerging industries that come from our low carbon future. I might just be able to carry some hydrogen also to cater for heavy vehicles.
Lindsay.

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"Everybody" knows you recharge just enough to start then go for a drive to top up the battery[thumbsupbig] . a case of "old habits die hard"??[bigrolf]

Without looking at 'that car' - the sorts of things that would be killing the resale value would be the amount that the tech - and the Leaf itself - has moved on in eight years. I think the current Leaf would have almost double the range that an 8-year-old Leaf would (2013 upgrade was from 150km to 193km) - certainly there's a (horribly expensive) Leaf+ that would have that (official 385km range, real-world is actually more [410km]).

To confuse things slightly more, Nissan has been upgrading its batteries almost annually - there's a YouTube from an NZ specialist that shows the extent of the changes. (But mostly, newer batteries do fit in old chassis).

Truth of the matter is, most of us only do 30-60km in a day anyway.

One use for a car like that Leaf would be to buy it, reef out the motor/battery and pop into a classic car shell - like an Austin Mayfair or something suitably quaint - and upgrade the battery/motor of the old Leaf. Apparently electrifying classics is becoming a thing. Not cheap... someone in the US, mate of Jay Leno's, just stuck a Tesla S motor in a Mk 5 Jaguar (70 years old).

But 'early adopters' are going to face a cost. My son-in-law spent $22K on solar panels. I bought an equivalent system 7 years ago (now 90% price-recovered!) for $11K [including every last ditch, switch, permit, etc...], the same or better system now would cost $7K.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Yeah - a $55K vehicle being sold for $14K 8 years after it was bought - not pretty. Trade in price is around half that.

While I’m happy for anyone who has an EV and enjoys it, etc I just don’t see any math - no matter how hard you fudge it, that makes them economically viable.

Wonder if I can pick up an MY22 Defender in 8 years for $20 to $25K [emoji56] - even given Land Rovers do depreciate faster than most other Marques, there isn’t much chance of that.

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