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Originally Posted by gusthedog
But the climate is affected by actual emissions, not per capita ones.
And our emissions are in any case no more than in line with the size of our economy, which is about 12th or 13th largest in the world.
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Originally Posted by gusthedog
But the climate is affected by actual emissions, not per capita ones.
And our emissions are in any case no more than in line with the size of our economy, which is about 12th or 13th largest in the world.
Climate change never existed until 1968 when The Club of Rome think tank met to discuss ways of increasing revenue…
We should be trying to create renewable energy so we can make better use of our other energy reserve’s because they are not a infinite resource.
Margret thatchers speech on the topic seemed interesting. She didn't seem a softy to most of us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Porker
"“The problem of global climate change is one that affects us all and action will only be effective if it is taken at the international level. “It is no good squabbling over who is responsible or who should pay,” she said.8 Aug 2021
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earlier she hammered it clearly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnAzoDtwCBg
G Bush "In June of 1989, just six months into his term, President Bush tabled amendments to the Clean Air Act to improve air quality in U.S. cities, reduce U.S. emissions of ozone-depleting substances (the ozone hole over the Antarctic had been discovered in 1984), and tackle acid rain, which had become a pressing issue. Coal-fired power plants, mostly in the Midwest, were polluting the atmosphere with sulfur dioxide, which was leading to acid rain in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic, damaging forests and killing aquatic wildlife. Canada was particularly affected (sadly, air currents ignore international boundaries), and U.S.-Canada relations were suffering as a result. President Bush sought to cap the total quantity of sulfur dioxide that could be emitted, and reduce that cap over time."
Its not a new issue at all[biggrin]
No it's not a new issue. Since very little has been done on climate change in 50 plus years though, the issue is starting to escalate - potentially exponentially. We may have already exceeded safe warming limits.
We think we're so smart as a race, but we're actually killing the planet at an extraordinary rate. That's what will bring us undone - our inability to perceive the dire situation were in. There has been no quicker warming of the planet (excluding external forces like a ****ing big asteroid and the like) than what we're doing now.
Our inaction as a nation is famous on the world stage. We aren't pulling our weight on climate change at all and I'm sick of it. Apart from being an entitled, bigoted, sexist bastard, #scottyfrommarketing has put us so far behind on climate policy, we're the laughing stock of the world.
Fascinating. The rate that the Chinese and Indians are building coal fired power stations makes any virtue signalling you all choose to do here utterly pointless. And they are burning OUR coal. Good grief.
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Originally Posted by Tins
Except that, as I've posted before, the Chinese aren't doing so. The purported hundreds of new coal powered stations being built by the Chinese are a furphy: they either haven't been built or aren't being used if they have been built.
Edit: oh, and since the Chinese banned Australian coal imports until recently they haven't been burning Australia coal.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. There are a few who would disagree, but never mind....Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapiles
Analysis: Will China build hundreds of new coal plants in the 2020s?
China To Build 43 New Coal-Fired Power Plants – Watts Up With That?
Forget Paris: 1,600 New Coal-fired Power Plants are Planned or Under Construction in 62 Countries – The Saltbush Club
And not only in China: China commissions first part of largest coal-fired power station under construction - Teller Report
https://www.powermag.com/wp-content/...une-2020v2.pdf
At this time China is not buying Australia's coal because they wish to punish us for our stance on human rights issues, and our boycotting of offical status of the Winter Olympics.
China will need our coal sooner rather than later, and I find your lack of interest in the Indian need for our coal 'interesting'. India is nearly as serious a user of fossil fuel as China.
What we do here, virtue signalling as it is, means absolutely nothing. But, keeping your head in the sand is your privilege.
You have posted this before, but I don't recall you backing it up with articles, links. There are countless articles and links supporting what I have said, in an environment that wishes to deny it. You could surely quote one or two that support your position. I can find thousands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapiles
Ozone deleting gasses- Outlawed almost every where. I think most of us would remember hearing VERY LOULDY why that would never happen[thumbsupbig]Quote:
Originally Posted by gusthedog
Even some of my wet types suggesting with out Haylon "We'll All Be Rooned" (Bromotrifluoromethane) [biggrin]
Its not a sprint though many of us think it should be. With Mersk shipping, WA news today and multiple other projects all starting the inevitable changes need just like with C.F.C.s.
The cool bit is we can help by doing it right. And even make some money for all of us IF it is right. There is clearly causalities in the changes which have already occurred and will continue to occur faster. With the likes of Newscorp changing path from bull dust spinners to a little reality there appears some hope [bigrolf]
The fact is that halon is not banned in the USA and many other countries although generally not produced any more. Still lots around.Quote:
Even some of my wet types suggesting with out Haylon "We'll All Be Rooned" (Bromotrifluoromethane)
even in Australia it is still used in aircraft.
Rules of the Road: Time to replace halon systems | Triton (the-triton.com)
Just want to have facts.
Regards PhilipA
Looks like still made in China!
Halon Extinguisher China Trade,Buy China Direct From Halon Extinguisher Factories at Alibaba.com
Makes a bit of a joke of Australia leading the World by virtuous example doesn't it.