Thread: Nuclear power and changes

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

CSIRO says No.........Powering Australia with nuclear energy would cost roughly twice as much as renewables, CSIRO report shows - ABC News

the report shows SMR's Small Modular Reactors are even more expensive (2x) than large scale nuclear. and on a sub if something goes wrong, we can just sink it for an overabundance of cooling. Where do you propose putting one in SEQ, on Bribie Island so we can just blow up the bridge if something goes wrong.

SMRs also produce more radioactive waste. A huge reactor is preferable to lots of smaller ones. It is more expensive to produce lots of little ones to match the output of one big reactor.

I've no particular issue with Australia getting nuclear subs, although someone in the military told me battery subs are much harder to detect on batteries, while reactors still have to make quite a bit of noise. Subs don't have the containment that commercial reactors have. An old report when Canada was considering them. Interesting the touch on tension between what the US Navy wants to release on accidents (basically no info) and independent investigations find that about 25% of sub issues relate to the reactor. https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCL...0/24010563.pdf

A graph shown in an earlier entry to this thread, taken from a report from the Ontario Energy Board, shows nuclear generated electricity to be the cheapest - this is after subsidies if I understand the report correctly. The same report shows that nuclear generated electricity receives approximately two and half times the subsidy than hydro, to make the electricity affordable. You can't cherry pick reports - they are often dense with complexities and need to be unpacked to really be understood. The report also says because nuclear operates at 80-90% capacity these facilities are more likely to supply less energy than forecast due to unscheduled outages. https://www.oeb.ca/sites/default/fil...t-20231019.pdf

Check out Lazards electricity cost estimates - nuclear is the most expensive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity

Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

CSIRO says No.........

Of course they do. They're about as unbiased and trustworthy as the ABC.

The Finns don't agree. And I don't care what anyone thinks of the presenter, watch the vid. Only reason why we couldn't do better here is we have even more possibility of industrial trouble.

And, we are the most geologically stable landmass on the planet, we have the fuel, and we already deal with the waste from elsewhere, so why not our own? Beats the heck out of one wind tower every 18 hours. For a decade. and of course, rinse and repeat as the old ones will need replacing before the last new one is completed. And look how much the Finns paid for the thing. Couple of those and even a Tesla starts to make sense.

Originally Posted by Tins

Of course they do. They're about as unbiased and trustworthy as the ABC.

It's good to know you support the considered opinion of experts in their field in the CSIRO. Like you I also think they are as unbiased and trustworthy as the ABC, which is a high standard to meet when you compare them to their commercial equivalents. If you had compared the CSIRO to commercial media outfits then I'd have be worried about the future of our CSIRO. Again, thank you TIns.

Originally Posted by workingonit

Again, thank you TIns.

Think what you like. But you should have led with "Once upon a time", which is usual for fairy tales. Thos two organisations have become highly politicised. You can trust them. I don't.

Well, we will probably be knocking on your door for fuel I guess It seems our new government wants to build 4 new nuclear plants the coming time. They better get it done since the pendulum always swings from left to right and vice versa so if the greenies (god forbid) get back in power the next term they might as well kill it off again.

Then again, we are quite a wet country so cooling is never a problem.

-P

Originally Posted by Tins

Of course they do. They're about as unbiased and trustworthy as the ABC.....

I don't agree about the ABC and CSIRO but I do think the ABC is rather "woke", however to paraphrase Bill Maher, nobody's been cancelled for being too woke, which I think is a problem.

days or more after seeing significant jumps in a share price of a Nuclear reactor company I hold- NOT INVESTMNT ADVICE!!!

I found out why. Its is US Senate passing " Accelerating Deployment of Versatile, Advanced Nuclear for Clean Energy (ADVANCE) Act "

The Brief option
Carper, Capito, Whitehouse Applaud Senate Passage of Nuclear Energy Bill, the ADVANCE Act - Majority News - U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works

The Full Monty of it 82728233C96DC75092F9436066FAB212.bills-118s870eah.pdf (senate.gov)
The depth and thought in this legislation is very good for all of us. The USAs leadership in researching and helping clarification via the NRC is in my view fantastic.


I really like the direction to the N.R.C. Leadership is important. Many parts of the NRC and similar had be taken over by anti-nuclear power. The redirection back it its original objectives in clear and unambiguous terms is very welcome development!

Enjoy