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    Federal government to spend $70 million on Newcastle 'hydrogen hub' that will power Orica
    "The Hunter [region] has powered Australia for many generations," he said.
    "It will power Australia for many generations to come, just that power will change."
    The hub is expected to produce 5,500 tonnes of hydrogen each year and create about 100 jobs.
    Origin Energy has partnered with explosive manufacturing company Orica to deliver the Hunter Valley hydrogen hub.
    Orica chief executive Sanjeev Gandhi said most of the hydrogen would be used at the company's ammonia and ammonium nitrate facility on Kooragang Island to help make their products emission-free.
    "This particular site is one of the largest consumers of gas in New South Wales," he said.
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    Great to see Orica moving. The scale required to replace its use of its reported "2014, Orica used a total of 22.6 million
    gigajoules (M GJ) of energy, compared to 23.1 M GJ the previous year" LINK
    this was made up of

    Natural gas – Ammonia feedstock 35%
    Natural gas – Used as fuel 28%
    Other 18%
    Electricity 9%
    Natural gas – Sodium cyanide feedstock 6%
    Diesel oil – Product feedstock 4%


    My quick estimate by google is One Tonne of hydron "Delivers about 33 MWh when measured in tonnes." The planned 5500 tonnes PA is not even a scratch of the scale required! Another factor is the scale and costs.


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    Pathway to exports
    Mr Bowen said the project also aimed to establish a pathway to export renewable hydrogen.
    "This project is the next step towards using locally produced renewable hydrogen in Australia to reduce our industrial emissions and develop a renewable export future," Mr Bowen said
    "

    Orica could use 100 X the 5500 tonnes PA and still need more hydrogen/ammonia . All from wind and solar might be a bit of a dream? Happily I Large scale option via Hazer Process that will enable us to use Green wind and solar for our homes and industry far more efficiently.

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    How embarrassing for Denmark (and Germany) Wind, solar and green is a part of their Power and they are burning millions of tonnes of "Biomass" for power.

    The Kyoto protocol accounts for the C02 from the source of the Biomass not were it is "BURNT'

    Almost all of the wood burnt for electricity in the EU comes from out side the EU. Lots from North Americas. South America, Africa and Asia! (and Baltic countries)


    Denmark's power is claimed to be green and mostly from wind - Biomass, Coal and.... Claims "In 2022, around 15 percent of Denmark's electricity production was derived from fossil fuel" It does not include the 23% BIOMASS burning

    That mean EU burns masses of BIOMASS yet doesn't count the Emissions! ( Example below is Denmark)

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    Green Energy Act, 2009- Ontario

    "Green Energy Act, 2009, that led to the disastrous feed-in-tariff program and skyrocketing electricity rates for Ontario families."


    The few cents I get for the Feed in Tarrifs here is fine with me. Except I cannot buy my own power at another place only a few km away for the same price yet!!!!!


    Germany has gone down the same rabbit hole. Ontario wiped the slate clean and is "Plans to expand existing plant and add three small modular reactors to a site where another already being built"

    Oddly I see that is very Green myself.

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    government targets is not realistic

    "(Reuters) - Government targets to increase wind power installations would see annual capacity additions reach 80 gigawatts (GW) per year by 2030, requiring $100 billion in secured investment in the supply chain by 2026, Wood Mackenzie said in a report.The research and consultancy firm forecast annual capacity is more likely to increase by 30 gigawatts (GW) a year by 2030, which would require $27 billion of secured investment by 2026.
    "The supply chain is struggling to scale up and will be an impediment to achieving decarbonisation targets if change does not happen," said Chris Seiple, vice chair, power and renewables at Wood Mackenzie.
    "Nearly 80 GW of annual installations to meet all government targets is not realistic, even achieving our forecasted 30 GW in additions will prove unrealistic if there isn't immediate investment in the supply chain," Seiple said."

    There is dreamers here in Australia as well

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    80,000 litres of fuel times 3 dumped!

    Poor German Greens

    "Annalena Baerbock, who is a Greens member of the ruling three-party coalition, was twice turned back in mid-air after her government A340 failed to retract landing flaps shortly after taking off from Abu Dhabi for Australia last Monday and Tuesday. German journalist Patrick Deikmann, who was part of the entourage, stated the plane had tried to take off three times from Abu Dhabi, where the aircraft landed to refuel, in a debacle he simply labelled as 'embarrassing'.
    On the two occasions the plane took off, the plane encountered problems with the retraction of the landing flaps and meant the plane had to be landed quickly.
    The aircraft was too heavy to land back in Abu Dhabi safely until around 80,000 litres of fuel was jettisoned on each occasion.
    Ms Baerbock, who has touted banning Germans from domestic flights to lower CO2 greenhouse gas emissions, .......

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    "The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) has delivered a gloomier outlook on the decade ahead in its latest market forecasts, warning the situation had worsened since its last update in February.It warns in particular of potential reliability problems in South Australia and Victoria this coming summer, with Victoria's expected to last throughout the decade ahead.
    It calls for "imminent and urgent investment", arguing without action "the reliability of the National Electricity Market (NEM)" will be at risk."

    Above is not greenwashing, Claims "She'll be right mate" are

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    Facts and figures about excess solar and wind at times are Greenwashing. I love solar and wind. We can never have too much unless its is on some people's farms or in some nice places. If it's built in someone else's farm or fishing place its ok of course

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    Why electric car owners may be paid to plug into solar

    This is cool - I think it is Greenwashing

    "Auniversity study will investigate what incentives could persuade electric car owners to power their vehicles during peak solar times to supercharge their environmental benefits.The University of Queensland (UQ) on Wednesday unveiled plans for the study, building on its existing research into charging behaviour and the impact of battery-powered vehicles on the electricity grid.
    Australia has more than 130,000 electric cars on local roads, according to the Electric Vehicle Council, but that number is expected to reach more than 180,000 by the end of the year."

    Honestly every EV charge is via the cheapest means. Time it to Off peak if on Grid, Use Solar PV at home or work. The UQ study to time shift solar to night time is almost funny!

    Power to Grid via time shifting excess Solar/wind using EV car batteries leaving the car in a lower state of charge may work for a few people!

    Timing is everything. Home/work storage might make a bit of money for some via companies called "Aggregators"
    "The AEMC said homes set up with rooftop solar and storage will be able to sign up with “aggregator” businesses, which trade in the bundled-up capacity of many different energy users, and will pay for using home batteries when needed.
    AEMC chair Anna Collyer says the reforms acknowledge that the national energy market is no longer one-way."

    That type of business model makes a LOT of sense. Some people will make money and the rest of us will pay for it of course!

    EDIT link to making money yarn

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