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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver;[URL="tel:3199102"
    3199102[/URL]]this surprised me a lot as I thought the WIND tech was very good.

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    What on earth gave you that idea? They fall over, they catch fire, they explode. Meanwhile good old Hazelwood was still running at over 90% of its nameplate when it was switched off, totally reliably.
    I wonder if any studies have been done comparing the costs, both financially and environmentally, of buying, making, transporting, installing, decommissioning and subsidising the turbine eyesores against keeping Hazlewood running. I seem to recall a figure being bandied about to modernise it of about $1 billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    What on earth gave you that idea? They fall over, they catch fire, they explode. Meanwhile good old Hazelwood was still running at over 90% of its nameplate when it was switched off, totally reliably.
    I wonder if any studies have been done comparing the costs, both financially and environmentally, of buying, making, transporting, installing, decommissioning and subsidising the turbine eyesores against keeping Hazlewood running. I seem to recall a figure being bandied about to modernise it of about $1 billion.
    And some actually believe power will get cheaper,with all this change over to renewables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    And some actually believe power will get cheaper,with all this change over to renewables.
    Because they think that it comes from the wind/sun, but they don't realise that there is a capital cost plus maintenance costs and a shortish life before it needs an update. Plus, we keep forgetting we need a base load for when the wind doesn't blow (or blows too much) or the sun doesn't shine

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs View Post
    Because they think that it comes from the wind/sun, but they don't realise that there is a capital cost plus maintenance costs and a shortish life before it needs an update. Plus, we keep forgetting we need a base load for when the wind doesn't blow (or blows too much) or the sun doesn't shine
    Also,we need all the cables,powerlines,transformers,etc,etc relocated to take the power from where it is going to be produced by solar,wind farms,etc..That is if the wind is blowing and sun is shining.
    The whole grid needs to be restructured,rebuild,relocated and probably upgraded.

    Maybe the energy providers are doing this for free

    More likely up the costs by 100% at least, and on charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    What on earth gave you that idea? They fall over, they catch fire, they explode. Meanwhile good old Hazelwood was still running at over 90% of its nameplate when it was switched off, totally reliably.
    I wonder if any studies have been done comparing the costs, both financially and environmentally, of buying, making, transporting, installing, decommissioning and subsidising the turbine eyesores against keeping Hazlewood running. I seem to recall a figure being bandied about to modernise it of about $1 billion.
    Hazelwood is probably much like Trigger's 20-year-old broom, that has had 17 new handles and 14 new brushes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANDLOVER;[URL="tel:3200283"
    3200283[/URL]]Hazelwood is probably much like Trigger's 20-year-old broom, that has had 17 new handles and 14 new brushes.
    If you had ever been inside a major power station you wouldn’t say that. Very few things in there are short term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    If you had ever been inside a major power station you wouldn’t say that. Very few things in there are short term.
    True , but a heap of people spend a lot of time and bucket loads of money keeping it that way.
    A bit like most defenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtreme View Post
    And apparantly at the end of the turbine's expected 20 year life expectancy, the hosts (in this area mostly farmers) responsibility to remove and dispose of each turbine.
    The contract / depreciation will be for twenty years, just like pretty much any other commercial venture of that scale. There will be refirb / refit options that will be a 10th of the initial cost. I would fall over backwards if any company would just give away a wind turbine regardless of it's condition.

    My defender started off as a company vehicle but it didn't just fall apart after 7 years. Well it was easy enough to keep bolting the bits back on.

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    Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to recover the capital outlay and installation costs of these turbines?
    Remember, it's private money not government, since its a commercial venture it would be less than 10 years , for something as high a risk (poles falling over , cyclones etc) it's probably a lot less. A friend of mine who is doing control systems for mixed solar / wind / storage is talking less than 5.
    Providing electricity prices don't go down.

    Cheers Glen

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