Is this an alternative energies forum or what?

[mcrover]

I didnt realise that it was such a big problem.

I love hearing greenies and vego's go on about how cows are killing the earth with the Methane thing, I normally coment that :

a. Kangaroo's fart too
b. What are we meant to do with cattle, sheep and all the other animals, kill them all off?

And now I know that the Methane is such a problem then how much methane would all those rotting carcusses from all the animals that fart produce?

I feel good about my wood fire though as at the golf club where I get my wood from, we plant on average about 4:1, 4 new planted tree's to 1 old rotten one or Pine tree cut down.

But then we stack them in a big pile and burn them......

Just got the power bill, this 1/4 we have produced 1.24 tonnes of green house gasses apparently.

We pay extra to be using wind power etc so why is it that were still producing so much?

Or isnt that much in comparison to most?

Damn, just farted, what can I do to neutralise the effects of the methane.......I dont think spraying glen 20 is good for the enviroment either

[Tank]

I didnt realise that it was such a big problem.

I love hearing greenies and vego's go on about how cows are killing the earth with the Methane thing, I normally coment that :

a. Kangaroo's fart too
b. What are we meant to do with cattle, sheep and all the other animals, kill them all off?

And now I know that the Methane is such a problem then how much methane would all those rotting carcusses from all the animals that fart produce?

I feel good about my wood fire though as at the golf club where I get my wood from, we plant on average about 4:1, 4 new planted tree's to 1 old rotten one or Pine tree cut down.

But then we stack them in a big pile and burn them......

Just got the power bill, this 1/4 we have produced 1.24 tonnes of green house gasses apparently.

We pay extra to be using wind power etc so why is it that were still producing so much?

Or isnt that much in comparison to most?

Damn, just farted, what can I do to neutralise the effects of the methane.......I dont think spraying glen 20 is good for the enviroment either

Bottle it mate, fuel of the future, wood will become too expensive to burn, the future of wood will be in making Ethanol, burning wood for heat is 10X more polluting than a coal fired power station for the same amount of heat.
A modern, fuel efficient, catalytic controlled small car requires about 18 trees to be planted/annum to sequester the CO2 produced over that period, but this still doesn't take into account the GHG Equivalent (GHG Eq.) gasses (Methane, Nitrogen Oxides, Carbon Monoxides) released at the same time.
So just measuring CO2 is a TOTAL con, Methane after a period in the Ozone layer converts to CO2, if you are not going to include GHG Eq. compounds, WHY bother, it is a total FARCE.
It's good that you plant trees at a 4:1 ratio, but if you wish to work out how many trees you NEED to plant to compensate for burning 1 full grown tree, here is a formula to work out how many trees you need to plant.
If you go back to the small, fuel efficient car which requires 18 trees/annum to compensate, then if you burnt that wood in your Domestic Wood Heater (DWH), then over a 9 hour period you emit more pollution than that small fuel efficient car would in a whole year. So for every 9 hrs of DWH operation you would have to plant at least 18 trees, so over a year it is disastrous.
A few Coal mines on the South Coast of NSW use the Methane released from the coal seam as an Axillary fuel in the coal trucks and to generate electricity to run the mine equipment, every town in OZ has the means to capture Methane from the Sewerage system to generate enough power to run their towns, Farts are the Future, Regards Frank.

[isuzurover]

a. Kangaroo's fart too
b. What are we meant to do with cattle, sheep and all the other animals, kill them all off?

Well Actually...

Kangaroos DON'T produce any Methane. They have bacteria in their gut which breaks down grass differently to cows and sheep.

There are scientists who are trying to adapt the kangaroo microorganisms so they can live in the stomachs of cows and sheep etc...

[Redback]

Cranbourne, here we come!

A lot of gas waiting to be collected.

No need to go too Cranbourne Ron, there's enough here for our power needs from time to time, if you know what buttons too push

[Lotz-A-Landies]

In Perth we have a Rubbish tip in the hills called .... Red Hill waste station ...

...Unsure if this setup still is working as I haven't been to this tip for 10 years

Mike

Mike that system is in common usage throughout the US particularly in California, where they have very strict regulations about leachate contaminating ground water which is frequently used for town water systems. The methane harvesting is usually used to generate electric power which in turn is used to operate a leachate treatment plant at the lower end of the dump, (the bottom of the landfill dumps are lined with collection systems laid before the dump commences operation,) excess power generated is supplied to the grid. Depending on the size of the landfill the methane can be harvested for decades.

In Australia many sewerage treatment plants operate from the methane harvested from the plant. The treatment plant run by Sydney Water at Ben Buckler, near Bondi being one.

Diana