Is Solar really worth it?

**Bushwanderer** · 27th November 2008, 11:11 AM

Sorry JD, but what I was referring to was an equilibrium position on the golf course where the grass is mown, it grows & is mown again. It's the carbon tied up in that growth and which is then clipped that is released relatively quickly back into the atmosphere. This happens, no matter what the origin of the grass.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

That may apply to American grasses, but is not the case with many perennial Australian native grasses. As I commented above, much of their carbon capture is concentrated in their root system, and when the plant dies, this becomes incorporated in the soil, often being more permanent than a lot of the carbon in the trees, which is largely converted back to carbon dioxide in the next major fire.

John

**Bushwanderer** · 27th November 2008, 11:29 AM

Hi mcrover,
I would think that there would have been a "greenhouse" study of a "typical" golf course in Australia. It may not be directly applicable but would show the process to be adopted. It may also give you ideas on what changes you could make effectively.

No promises, but I'll try to find one for you.

Best Wishes,
Peter

mcrover · 27th November 2008, 04:07 PM

Thanks, if you possibly find one that would be if great help.

**isuzurover** · 27th November 2008, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bushwanderer

Hi mcrover,
I would think that there would have been a "greenhouse" study of a "typical" golf course in Australia. It may not be directly applicable but would show the process to be adopted. It may also give you ideas on what changes you could make effectively.

No promises, but I'll try to find one for you.

Best Wishes,
Peter

I have never seen (an independant) one.

This is all I can fine (search golf+course+carbon). Mcrover - let me know if you would like any of these articles:

Title: Carbon sequestration in urban landscapes: the example of a turfgrass system in New Zealand
Author(s): Huh KY, Deurer M, Sivakumaran S, et al.
Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF SOIL RESEARCH Volume: 46 Issue: 6-7 Pages: 610-616 Published: 2008
Times Cited: 0
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2. Title: Denitrification of agricultural drainage using wood-based reactors
Author(s): van Driel PW, Robertson WD, Merkley LC
Source: TRANSACTIONS OF THE ASABE Volume: 49 Issue: 2 Pages: 565-573 Published: MAR-APR 2006
Times Cited: 2
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3. Title: Microbial nitrogen removal in a developing suburban estuary along the south Carolina Coast
Author(s): Tuerk KJS, Aelion CM
Source: ESTUARIES Volume: 28 Issue: 3 Pages: 364-372 Published: JUN 2005
Times Cited: 2
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4. Title: Nutrient, metal, and pesticide removal during storm and nonstorm events by a constructed wetland on an urban golf course
Author(s): Kohler EA, Poole VL, Reicher ZJ, et al.
Source: ECOLOGICAL ENGINEERING Volume: 23 Issue: 4-5 Pages: 285-298 Published: DEC 31 2004
Times Cited: 10
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5. Title: Effect of organic fertilizers derived dissolved organic matter on pesticide sorption and leaching
Author(s): Li K, Xing BS, Torello WA
Source: ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION Volume: 134 Issue: 2 Pages: 187-194 Published: MAR 2005
Times Cited: 14
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6. Title: Simulations of fungicide runoff following applications for turfgrass disease control
Author(s): Vincelli P
Source: PLANT DISEASE Volume: 88 Issue: 4 Pages: 391-396 Published: APR 2004
Times Cited: 1
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7. Title: Estimation of soil organic carbon changes in turfgrass systems using the CENTURY model
Author(s): Bandaranayake W, Qian YL, Parton WJ, et al.
Source: AGRONOMY JOURNAL Volume: 95 Issue: 3 Pages: 558-563 Published: MAY-JUN 2003
Times Cited: 10
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8. Title: Assessing soil carbon sequestration in turfgrass systems using long-term soil testing data
Author(s): Qian YL, Follett RF
Source: AGRONOMY JOURNAL Volume: 94 Issue: 4 Pages: 930-935 Published: JUL-AUG 2002
Times Cited: 25
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9. Title: Temporal patterns in near-surface CO2 concentrations over contrasting vegetation types in the Phoenix metropolitan area
Author(s): Day TA, Gober P, Xiong FSS, et al.
Source: AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST METEOROLOGY Volume: 110 Issue: 3 Pages: 229-245 Published: JAN 3 2002
Times Cited: 12
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10. Title: Atrazine biodegradation to deisopropylatrazine and deethylatrazine in coastal sediments of different land uses
Author(s): Aelion CM, Mathur PP
Source: ENVIRONMENTAL TOXICOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY Volume: 20 Issue: 11 Pages: 2411-2419 Published: NOV 2001
Times Cited: 8
11. Title: An approach to solventless sample preparation procedure for pesticides analysis using solid phase microextraction/supercritical fluid extraction technique
Author(s): Salleh SH, Saito Y, Jinno K
Source: ANALYTICA CHIMICA ACTA Volume: 418 Issue: 1 Pages: 69-77 Published: AUG 1 2000
Times Cited: 21
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12. Title: Thatch biodegradation and antifungal activities of two lignocellulolytic Streptomyces strains in laboratory cultures and in golf green turfgrass
Author(s): Chamberlain K, Crawford DL
Source: CANADIAN JOURNAL OF MICROBIOLOGY Volume: 46 Issue: 6 Pages: 550-558 Published: JUN 2000
Times Cited: 6
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13. Title: Biodegradation and biotransformation of dicamba under different reducing conditions
Author(s): Milligan PW, Haggblom MM
Source: ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY Volume: 33 Issue: 8 Pages: 1224-1229 Published: APR 15 1999
Times Cited: 7
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14. Title: Estimation of leachability and persistence of pesticides at golf courses from point-source monitoring and model to predict pesticide leaching to groundwater
Author(s): Suzuki T, Kondo H, Yaguchi K, et al.
Source: ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY Volume: 32 Issue: 7 Pages: 920-929 Published: APR 1 1998
Times Cited: 16
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15. Title: Effects of carbon dioxide variations in the unsaturated zone on water chemistry in a glacial-outwash aquifer
Author(s): Lee RW
Source: APPLIED GEOCHEMISTRY Volume: 12 Issue: 4 Pages: 347-366 Published: JUL 1997
Times Cited: 6
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16. Title: Nanofiltration of highly colored raw water for drinking water production
Author(s): Ericsson B, Hallberg M, Wachenfeldt J
Source: DESALINATION Volume: 108 Issue: 1-3 Pages: 129-141 Published: FEB 1997
Times Cited: 6
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mcrover · 27th November 2008, 08:50 PM

Ben, I think these sound quite interesting, Im not sure how much of it I would understand but Im learning more and more about this every day thanks to you guys

If it's not too much trouble, I would like to have a look at them If I can, Thanks

Title: Carbon sequestration in urban landscapes: the example of a turfgrass system in New Zealand
Author(s): Huh KY, Deurer M, Sivakumaran S, et al.
Source: AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF SOIL RESEARCH Volume: 46 Issue: 6-7 Pages: 610-616 Published: 2008
Times Cited: 0
Context Sensitive Links

4. Title: Nutrient, metal, and pesticide removal during storm and nonstorm events by a constructed wetland on an urban golf course
Author(s): Kohler EA, Poole VL, Reicher ZJ, et al.
Source: ECOLOGICAL ENGINEERING Volume: 23 Issue: 4-5 Pages: 285-298 Published: DEC 31 2004
Times Cited: 10
Context Sensitive Links

7. Title: Estimation of soil organic carbon changes in turfgrass systems using the CENTURY model
Author(s): Bandaranayake W, Qian YL, Parton WJ, et al.
Source: AGRONOMY JOURNAL Volume: 95 Issue: 3 Pages: 558-563 Published: MAY-JUN 2003
Times Cited: 10
Context Sensitive Links View full text from group of Free Journals hosted by Highwire

8. Title: Assessing soil carbon sequestration in turfgrass systems using long-term soil testing data
Author(s): Qian YL, Follett RF
Source: AGRONOMY JOURNAL Volume: 94 Issue: 4 Pages: 930-935 Published: JUL-AUG 2002
Times Cited: 25
Context Sensitive Links View full text from group of Free Journals hosted by Highwire

9. Title: Temporal patterns in near-surface CO2 concentrations over contrasting vegetation types in the Phoenix metropolitan area
Author(s): Day TA, Gober P, Xiong FSS, et al.
Source: AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST METEOROLOGY Volume: 110 Issue: 3 Pages: 229-245 Published: JAN 3 2002
Times Cited: 12
Context Sensitive Links

12. Title: Thatch biodegradation and antifungal activities of two lignocellulolytic Streptomyces strains in laboratory cultures and in golf green turfgrass
Author(s): Chamberlain K, Crawford DL
Source: CANADIAN JOURNAL OF MICROBIOLOGY Volume: 46 Issue: 6 Pages: 550-558 Published: JUN 2000
Times Cited: 6
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**drivesafe** · 29th November 2008, 10:58 PM

Well Folks, this thread is NOT what I started this section for but it sure as hell is becoming an education.

Keep it up, it’s been some brilliant reading.

Cheers and well done.

**Vern** · 2nd January 2009, 09:26 PM

So Damo, did you put the solar in?

mcrover · 2nd January 2009, 10:22 PM

Nah Vern,

Ive given up on it for now, I will get back into it when the course works slow down again as this is our busy time of the year (they tell me, I dont see much difference to be honest).

Ive got to do a bit more home work into where we could fit the panels on the club house as it is closest to the meters and would bennifit most from it for running light, computers and some of the bar equipment etc as most of the stuff in my shed is 3 phase other than lighting and a couple of computers.

They would be mor protected from ball strike on the lod of the club house as well as the shed gets hit regularly

There is a bloke up in Canberra (Solar Craig

) whose a Turf Tech and has fitted panels to the shed there to off set charging their carts and he's sending me some info when he gets a chance on what he has done so when I get it I will go through it and see if I can post it up.

As I progress I will keep you all informed

**Vern** · 3rd January 2009, 04:48 PM

Would it not be cheaper for now to run 240 down from the club house, its only 200 metres, yes a fair bit of volt drop, but atleast it would be up and running! And later in the year when i've finished my solar installation course i can come install it for you

mcrover · 5th January 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Vern

Would it not be cheaper for now to run 240 down from the club house, its only 200 metres, yes a fair bit of volt drop, but atleast it would be up and running! And later in the year when i've finished my solar installation course i can come install it for you

I think youve misunderstood a bit Vern....

The sheds are existing and I was thinking about adding solar to offset our supply and to maybe have more of a green theme going to encourage more golfers to play at our course over others as well as having a reason to put the greens fee's up.......a lot

.

This will also mean that we can get more electric vehicals which are a lot less mainenance and if we were running pnels on the roof then the running costs would be offset by what were putting back into the grid.

If your going to get into it then for sure I will be giving you a call if/when we get the go ahead.

It's just at the moment the numbers are not adding up to make it feasable

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