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    this is an awesome discussion. I had a go on a vextrix not long ago, it is aweosme and has regen braking if you rotate the throttle backwards past neutral. I also built a couple of fast electric bikes, 0-100 around 3 secs. Range roughly 10km. Could not beat it on the track due to max torque at 0 rpm out of the corners.

    Anyway this has got me thinking, I have a few ideas too but the PTO never entered my mind.

    One idea is you get an awd car like an L series subaru, put a FWD box in it and motor through the floor to the rear diff. Then you have hybrid. BTW range is almost never a problem. I used to ride my elec bike on the street and never had a range problem for local area stuff. Sometimes local k's makes up a lot of your weekly k's. Also whenever you get to work/home you can recharge it, even a short time charging makes a big difference.

    You dont need to mount wheel motors, you can mount a motor directly into a diff. Also an auto tranny makes no sense because of inefficiency and also I think you may need to keep it spinning to keep the hydro pressure up. You just mount a motor directly into a manual box, keep the clutch and ratios, the space you save from no motor and all that allows you to have a 30km range which means you can get a cheap manual LR with a clapped out engine, put cheap lead acids in it and a short range and have very cheap local area motoring. A proper car electric motor new is around 1k.

    Add to this you never need to fill up, no oil changes, maybe regen braking for less brake pad wear, and first thing on a cold morning just flogg the hell out of it from the drive way. It makes a lot of sense.

    What I REALLY want to know is can a stock R380 box and L322 transfer case accept a drive input anywhere without a PTO?

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    this is an awesome discussion. I had a go on a vextrix not long ago, it is aweosme and has regen braking if you rotate the throttle backwards past neutral. I also built a couple of fast electric bikes, 0-100 around 3 secs. Range roughly 10km. Could not beat it on the track due to max torque at 0 rpm out of the corners.

    Anyway this has got me thinking, I have a few ideas too but the PTO never entered my mind.

    One idea is you get an awd car like an L series subaru, put a FWD box in it and motor through the floor to the rear diff. Then you have hybrid. BTW range is almost never a problem. I used to ride my elec bike on the street and never had a range problem for local area stuff. Sometimes local k's makes up a lot of your weekly k's. Also whenever you get to work/home you can recharge it, even a short time charging makes a big difference.

    You dont need to mount wheel motors, you can mount a motor directly into a diff. Also an auto tranny makes no sense because of inefficiency and also I think you may need to keep it spinning to keep the hydro pressure up. You just mount a motor directly into a manual box, keep the clutch and ratios, the space you save from no motor and all that allows you to have a 30km range which means you can get a cheap manual LR with a clapped out engine, put cheap lead acids in it and a short range and have very cheap local area motoring. A proper car electric motor new is around 1k.

    Add to this you never need to fill up, no oil changes, maybe regen braking for less brake pad wear, and first thing on a cold morning just flogg the hell out of it from the drive way. It makes a lot of sense.

    What I REALLY want to know is can a stock R380 box and L322 transfer case accept a drive input anywhere without a PTO?

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    Electric motor drive

    Casper,
    Just got June Silicon Chip magazine yesterday. Has an article about elec conversion done on a hilux ute using a 3phase 415 volt motor and variable speed drive. 600 volt sealed lead acid batts 20 amp hour gives him about 40KM max between charges. Might be worth a look at the article.
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    the trend is towards AC motors. any way the problem is the controlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olfella View Post
    Casper,
    Just got June Silicon Chip magazine yesterday. Has an article about elec conversion done on a hilux ute using a 3phase 415 volt motor and variable speed drive. 600 volt sealed lead acid batts 20 amp hour gives him about 40KM max between charges. Might be worth a look at the article.
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    Useful resource for this project

    I strongly recommend you check out Australian Electric Vehicle Association forums here The Australian Electric Vehicle Asn - Powered by Web Wiz Forums for detailed discussions on the subject of converting ICE vehicles to electric and/or hybrid. Similar sort of community spirit to the one here on AULRO.

    You can find the answers to pretty much all of your questions on this subject there from other converters who have actually done it.

    Some folks have complete conversion diaries online there and there are spreadsheets etc available to assist in design.

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    That looks to be a very interesting forum.

    I had a quick look and will give it a much better look one day when I have the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTim View Post
    I strongly recommend you check out Australian Electric Vehicle Association forums here The Australian Electric Vehicle Asn - Powered by Web Wiz Forums for detailed discussions on the subject of converting ICE vehicles to electric and/or hybrid. Similar sort of community spirit to the one here on AULRO.

    You can find the answers to pretty much all of your questions on this subject there from other converters who have actually done it.

    Some folks have complete conversion diaries online there and there are spreadsheets etc available to assist in design.
    Beat me to the punch. There is a little Suzuki 4x4 that has been converted to A/C drive. Very profession job indeed.
    But the cost is through the roof. I am trying to convert an Aprilia RS125, but have been trying for 4yrs now. To get the motor controller etc would cost US$4k, plus batteries on top of that another $5k.
    Still want one.

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    no, no landrover transmission can take an external power input (as stock) without using the PTO on the tcase.
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    You what would be way cooler than a button under the accelerator pedal...

    A big red button on the shifter just like Mad Max

    I enjoy driving my landrover because it's slow... and anyway - who overtakes in a Series Landy??? The only person I have ever overtaken on the highway was a huge mobile crane

    Why muck around with recharging batteries at home when Hydrogen cells are on the verge of becoming commercially available for cars?

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