The crappiest D2 is at least twice as a good as the best D1

[B92 8NW]

So I learnt this morning:(

Won't be taking the D2 loaner ever again. Could get used to it:D.

If all the accessories carried over from a D1 I'd upgrade, but they don't, so I'll just keep banking for that HDJ100R:eek:.

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

So I learnt this morning:(

Won't be taking the D2 loaner ever again. Could get used to it:D.

If all the accessories carried over from a D1 I'd upgrade, but they don't, so I'll just keep banking for that HDJ100R:eek:.

Yeah but my d1 still kicks ass oopps sorry wrong thread

[nice1guv]

The crappiest D2 is at least twice as good as the best D1

You are kidding me right!? :eek2:

Well, I guess it depends on what you really mean.

The D2 is more refined on the road, but give me a D1 anyday offroad! :D

Most D2s don't even have a diff-lock, so aren't even real 4wds. :tease:

[El Duderino]

You are kidding me right!? :eek2:

Jesus H Christ...are you for real?!?!

I'd trust a 300 any day over anything under any circumstances (hence why I spend months before purchase), so what in gawds name is the OP hoping to achieve? ????????????????

[B92 8NW]

Not trying to achieve anything... much:D. Just a first opportunity I've had to compare a D1 and D2 back to back.

But seriously... a 1998 300Tdi auto ES would have nothing on a Td5 auto base model.

Little things... like door handles that have a nice positive feel, the gear selector and switchgear has a good tactile sensation, braking you can believe in, quietness, exponentially greater stability, decent power, air con not bogging revs down (bloody good system at that too)... in terms of ride and handling it's more akin to a Mercedes with a reinvented, powerful 300D, shaped like a Land Rover:D.

[El Duderino]

Not trying to achieve anything... much:D. Just a first opportunity I've had to compare a D1 and D2 back to back.

But seriously... a 1998 300Tdi auto ES would have nothing on a Td5 auto base model.

Little things... like door handles that have a nice positive feel, the gear selector and switchgear has a good tactile sensation, braking you can believe in, quietness, exponentially greater stability, decent power, air con not bogging revs down (bloody good system at that too)... in terms of ride and handling it's more akin to a Mercedes with a reinvented, powerful 300D, shaped like a Land Rover:D.

Mate, you need a consultation session with Carlson Cresly to suit the metro-sexualnes of that post. ;)

I'll agree with dissent against the auto transmission, but the rest of your comments are straight-out BS if you want a proper off-roader...perhaps youd be more comfortable in a friggin Prado (and yes I and many others WILL hang shi*t on you and the vehicle for).

Grow a pair, switch onto what you're driving and what it what it's designed for, and particularly pay attention at what the update models are designed for...I've seen blogs on how they went from continent to another, not for their suppleness. :wasntme:

I issue a cement pill for you in a mandatory perscription! :p

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

And my d1 still kicks ass...oopp's sorry wrong thread again!! Ha

[waz]

horses for courses.

I have a Td5 D2 and a mate has a 300Tdi D1.

His departure angle vs my load space.
His suspension travel vs my 3 amigos.... I mean traction control.
He gets better slightly better economy: I have slightly more power.

I love my D2 and I can see some positives of the D1.

What I don't like about the D1 is the low windscreen.

Waz

[Ausfree]

Yeah, well I own a Freelander!!!:pDucks for cover as he gets pelted with rotten fruit!!!;)

[Fluids]

I'm sorry :(

:eek::cool:;)


... you had it coming! :D

:wasntme:
Kev..

[Ausfree]

I'm sorry :(

:eek::cool:;)


... you had it coming! :D

:wasntme:
Kev.. Hey that's enough out of you!!!!:p

[slug_burner]

Boy there are some people that are so full of it.

The D2 is better in every way that Joel has mentioned. Leave it at that.

If you want to start comparing vehicles for off road performance then we could start looking at a defender vs whatever. I saw the video of the day up at Tallarook (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/victorian-reports/104151-tallarook-sunday-2-5-10-a-4.html#post1244031) to see all the D1s get hung up on the rocks only to find out later in the posts that even the Freelander was able to do the track.:cool: And then the go hard D1 and oops was sit a diff or shaft? Lots of noise, going nowhere.

Yes the D1 a nice cheap ride if you want to go bush bashing but it is not a smidge on a d2 as far as refinement or on a defender for off roadability.

Let the wars beggin.

[Fluids]

Oooooooooooo .... them's fightin' words !! :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Right then. Anyone for Disco's at 10 paces ?? :eek:

Touche' !! :)

Kev..

[Hendrik]

I don't see the argument here, D2 is a later model...so of course it will be better and it is :D

[Ausfree]

Boy there are some people that are so full of it.

The D2 is better in every way that Joel has mentioned. Leave it at.

If you want to start comparing vehicles for off road performance then we could start looking at a defender vs whatever. I saw the video of the day up at Tallarook (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/victorian-reports/104151-tallarook-sunday-2-5-10-a-4.html#post1244031) to see all the D1s get hung up on the rocks only to find out later in the posts that even the Freelander was able to do the track.:cool: And then the go hard D1 and oops was sit a diff or shaft? Lots of noise, going nowhere.

Yes the D1 a nice cheap ride if you want to go bush bashing but it is not a smidge on a d2 as far as refinement or on a defender for off roadability.

Let the wars beggin. See,:tease::D Fluids, I have friends!!!!!

[PhilipA]

How do you define "good"

How about the biggie on an older car-reliability.

D1 - cam belt on diesel, Uh what else ?
D2 -three amigos, oil in loom, oil pump bolt, head gaskets, CV boots leaking killing them, exhaust manifolds,

Cost of repair.
D1- wheel bearings at about $150 the lot, dropped timing belt usually a few valve caps or say $500 or so
D2 - wheel bearings at $1000 or more, oil pump bolt er $10K or so.

I have left V8 out but there seems also to be far more liner problems with D2 than D1. Fuel pumps D1 from $50 or so, D2 $400 or so.

It would be surprising if D2 were not better than D1 on highway as that is where all the emphasis has been in recent years. However a Jaguar XJ is a far nicer drive than both but is (almost) universally considered a giant woofer.
See, reliability and cost of ownership always rear their ugly heads.

Regards Philip A
(Philip A has a vested interest in D1 as many parts can be used on his 92 RRC which is far better than any D1 or D2.)

[Cap]

to add to the list of parts...

Comparing the Diesels...
D1 injectors compared to D2 injectors in price, what 3-4 times the price :eek:

Plus, look overseas and most use the D1's for any expedition type adventures... KISS principle ;)

Now what I would like is the D2 body and comforts on the D1 running gear :cool:

[SPROVER]

Boy there are some people that are so full of it.

The D2 is better in every way that Joel has mentioned. Leave it at.

If you want to start comparing vehicles for off road performance then we could start looking at a defender vs whatever. I saw the video of the day up at Tallarook (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/victorian-reports/104151-tallarook-sunday-2-5-10-a-4.html#post1244031) to see all the D1s get hung up on the rocks only to find out later in the posts that even the Freelander was able to do the track.:cool: And then the go hard D1 and oops was sit a diff or shaft? Lots of noise, going nowhere.

Yes the D1 a nice cheap ride if you want to go bush bashing but it is not a smidge on a d2 as far as refinement or on a defender for off roadability.

Let the wars beggin.

Haha what a silly comment to make.First of all the Freelander did do well.The only person to get hung up on rocks was me :D In a D1.But the Freelander did not do that track.As did many other vehicles.Even a modified Freelander would not have made that track.If you were there you would understand why! As for the D1 breaking its diff.Well could you see what he had to go up? Were you there? I dont remember seeing you.But i maybe wrong.First of all it was alot harder to get up it then down.Alot of the cars could of made it down,but going up was a completely different story.Once again if you were there you would understand why! Anyway have you got any other comments to make about the Tallarook video.I didnt see any D2s there by the way.

[Landover]

Boy there are some people that are so full of it.

The D2 is better in every way that Joel has mentioned. Leave it at.

If you want to start comparing vehicles for off road performance then we could start looking at a defender vs whatever. I saw the video of the day up at Tallarook (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/victorian-reports/104151-tallarook-sunday-2-5-10-a-4.html#post1244031) to see all the D1s get hung up on the rocks only to find out later in the posts that even the Freelander was able to do the track.:cool: And then the go hard D1 and oops was sit a diff or shaft? Lots of noise, going nowhere.

Yes the D1 a nice cheap ride if you want to go bush bashing but it is not a smidge on a d2 as far as refinement or on a defender for off roadability.

Let the wars beggin.

Firstly the Freelander did go well for the day but on the hill in question the Freelander and D2 did not even try it and went around. The D1 that busted his diff was running 37" tyre on a locked standed diff so the stress must have been hugh. The best thing I like about the D1 is that there cheap and capable and not afraid to take it bush.

[B92 8NW]

Boy there are some people that are so full of it.

The D2 is better in every way that Joel has mentioned. Leave it at.



LOL:D. I'm amazed at what some people read from what isn't written.



Definition of good is based on exactly what I've said, the level of equipment, ride and quality is better than a D1.

[SPROVER]

LOL:D. I'm amazed at what some people read from what isn't written.



Definition of good is based on exactly what I've said, the level of equipment, ride and quality is better than a D1.

Im sure ride and quality are better then the D1.No arguments here.But when someone thinks a Freelander was getting through tracks that a D1 couldnt made me laugh.:D:Rolling:

[B92 8NW]

Im sure ride and quality are better then the D1.No arguments here.But when someone thinks a Freelander was getting through tracks that a D1 couldnt made me laugh.:D:Rolling:

I spose in fairness you need to see the photo, the video shows only the pax side, the photo shows a ****in huge boulder:eek:

Nice disco by the way, I thought my front guard clearance was tight:eek::eek:


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/1001.jpg

[adonuff]

Haha what a silly comment to make.First of all the Freelander did do well.The only person to get hung up on rocks was me :D In a D1.But the Freelander did not do that track.As did many other vehicles.Even a modified Freelander would not have made that track.If you were there you would understand why! As for the D1 breaking its diff.Well could you see what he had to go up? Were you there? I dont remember seeing you.But i maybe wrong.First of all it was alot harder to get up it then down.Alot of the cars could of made it down,but going up was a completely different story.Once again if you were there you would understand why! Anyway have you got any other comments to make about the Tallarook video.I didnt see any D2s there by the way.

Sprovers 100% accurate, The track he got hung up on and the blown diff were both on EXTREAM OVER THE TOP tracks that few sane people would attempt to tackle. (no offence intended :)) The Freelander was impressive, kept up with a lot of lifted modifyied Land Rovers The driver of the Freelander did a fantastic job & knew when to say no thats beyond the vehicles abilities. I would have done the same with my stock D2.

The pics and vidios do not really show how steep and rough the tracks were, I'm sure most know that the photo's you take almost never look like the real thing.

Andrew

[alien]

Haha what a silly comment to make.First of all the Freelander did do well.The only person to get hung up on rocks was me :D In a D1.But the Freelander did not do that track.As did many other vehicles.Even a modified Freelander would not have made that track.If you were there you would understand why! As for the D1 breaking its diff.Well could you see what he had to go up? Were you there? I dont remember seeing you.But i maybe wrong.First of all it was alot harder to get up it then down.Alot of the cars could of made it down,but going up was a completely different story.Once again if you were there you would understand why! Anyway have you got any other comments to make about the Tallarook video.I didnt see any D2s there by the way.

One only D2:D
Had to keep stoping to let every one catch up in the D1's :tease:
(But then I was trip leader:whistling:)
I was going to go down the first "hard" track when they turned around:rolleyes:
Only went around to "escort" the smart:wasntme:
Would mind trying Steep Tk next trip:burnrubber:


Yeah but my d1 still kicks ass oopps sorry wrong thread

Buddy was that a D2 "snatching" you up that driveable slope today?:lol2:

:oops2: Wasn't suposed to mention that:Rolling:


While you all get on your :soapbox: about which is best I will sit back KNOWING:p:D

[SPROVER]

Haha i completely forgot there was a D2 there.Sorry Kyle :D:D In a sea of D1 its hard to notice the odd one out :D:D:p

[Mudsloth]

Haha what a silly comment to make.First of all the Freelander did do well.The only person to get hung up on rocks was me :D In a D1.But the Freelander did not do that track.As did many other vehicles.Even a modified Freelander would not have made that track.If you were there you would understand why! As for the D1 breaking its diff.Well could you see what he had to go up? Were you there? I dont remember seeing you.But i maybe wrong.First of all it was alot harder to get up it then down.Alot of the cars could of made it down,but going up was a completely different story.Once again if you were there you would understand why! Anyway have you got any other comments to make about the Tallarook video.I didnt see any D2s there by the way.

My D1 will stomp any d2 into the ground. Specially with her new diffs. Been the most reliable vehicle i have ever had both on and off road. No matter what i have broken i have always gotten home.

[blitz]

I think the heading is a bit misleading, I will pit my DI against any crappy D2 or a average one or a tricked up one - might have to think hard about going up against Slunny though :D
What the hell go hard or go home i will take on any other 4wd any breed anytime and I am happy to lose as well and if I do will happily acknowledge that they are better.

Just whom is better is pretty subjective, mine looks pretty used but goes like a stabbed rat, under the skin is tens of thousands of dollars of upgrades, I just bought a couple of recaro seats for the front so comfort will be better than any D2, bling??? well I dont like it that is why I have a D1

but all in all if I had of started with a defender I would be just as happy with it.

[John W]

10 years ago my D2 (no centre diff lock then) was new and romped up (TC going feral) a couple of loose climbs. Then had to go back a bit and pull up a D1 with its centre diff locked. In the loose stuff one front wheel in the air and one rear one spinning in dry loose stuff going nowhere. Both discos were stock. Yes add diff locks all round and the D1 is better but not stock.

[Cap]

Well no matter, D1 or D2... show us more pics!!! :D :D :rulez:

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

Ahhhhhh...... my d1 still kicks ass! Lol

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

One only D2:D
Had to keep stoping to let every one catch up in the D1's :tease:
(But then I was trip leader:whistling:)
I was going to go down the first "hard" track when they turned around:rolleyes:
Only went around to "escort" the smart:wasntme:
Would mind trying Steep Tk next trip:burnrubber:



Buddy was that a D2 "snatching" you up that driveable slope today?:lol2:

:oops2: Wasn't suposed to mention that:Rolling:



While you all get on your :soapbox: about which is best I will sit back KNOWING:p:D

you are a cruel CRUEL old man!!!!!!!! Lol

it didn't look like a d2! Mind you I'd put it down to experiance which I have a lack of. BUT my d1 still kicks ASS baby!!!!!! Ehhhhhhh haaaaaaaa

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

Look honestly at the end of the day it all comes down to driver knowledge and wheel placement! You can have TC, HD or lift this big that but in the end it's the bloke behind the wheel that's pointing the truck in that direction and he AND ONLY HE is the capable one of either getting through a rut or hole with his tyre placements and a little thinking, and it was proven in tallarook with the free lander. Now that man can drive, no lift, no big as muddy tyres NOTHING except using his brain. Yes things do help you and makes things easier but where would we be if we had none of that!!

AND yes my d1 still kicks ass for me !

[zuno555]

Lol, I love the heading in this thread, sure to fire up a lot of people! A good campfire discussion, as long as its kept in good jest!

I love my tractor D1 - real center diff, rear locker, 33's, can fit up to 37's, its simple, no electronics, no SRS airbags, can bush fix easily (only takes 1 wire to run whole engine, fuel stop solenoid)

I would however like the power and chipability of the td5, and the boot on the D1 is pitifully small. (Of course there are solutions for center diff, and now LRA have a workaround for the body lift, I wish they had that when I was looking for discos.)

ANY vehicle can be kick ass, just depends on how many $$$$ you throw at it.
Serious arguments / comparisons like this can only be applied to STOCK cars.
Otherwise its just a comment to fire people up and have some fun poking each other!

And Mudsloth, how did you get it home the first time you took it out when you drowned it? :D It's a miracle the diffs lasted that long on 37's and the hammering you give it! Now with strong diffs it will be even more formidable. (axles, cvs etc will break next ;) )

[alien]

you are a cruel CRUEL old man!!!!!!!! Lol

it didn't look like a d2! Mind you I'd put it down to experiance which I have a lack of. BUT my d1 still kicks ASS baby!!!!!! Ehhhhhhh haaaaaaaa
Hope the tricks I showed you help, will have to go back for another crack:D

Look honestly at the end of the day it all comes down to driver knowledge and wheel placement! You can have TC, HD or lift this big that but in the end it's the bloke behind the wheel that's pointing the truck in that direction and he AND ONLY HE is the capable one of either getting through a rut or hole with his tyre placements and a little thinking, and it was proven in tallarook with the free lander. Now that man can drive, no lift, no big as muddy tyres NOTHING except using his brain. Yes things do help you and makes things easier but where would we be if we had none of that!!

AND yes my d1 still kicks ass for me !


Truth be known stock ex factory they are on par, lock the D2 diff and it's the winer(TC gives it the edge):)

If getting up a given slope is 10 points, the 4bs range from say 4-7 deepending on modifications, the driver fills the gap.
Obviously Land Rovers are around 6-7.
Thats why the others speend money locking Niissota's. Just to keep up:twisted:
So with diffs locked all round, grippy tyres ect. the driver dosn't have to work so hard to get up
This then leads to harder terain being found to play on hence the off road theme parks started to become popular.

D1's for playing, D2's for touring(more storage and less depature angle):p


AND was that a D2 coming down the Steep Tk that no one wanted to try at Tallarook???:wasntme:

[Fluids]

See,:tease::D Fluids, I have friends!!!!!

Who, um, maybe, um, stretch the truth about what a FL can do ... to make you feel good about yourself because you bought a FL ?? :D

... isn't it a bit like the Little Engine Who could ... "I think I can, I THINK I can ... " :Rolling::tease: :Rolling::tease: :Rolling::tease:

Kev.. ;)

[klappers]

I would have to say that I bought my D1 because it is basic. I wanted to buy a 4WD. A real one. One without electronic this and electronic that. I wanted some hope of starting it if it all went south.... I also bought it because it is not a car.. and in some repects the D2 is just that. Tries to be a car, but really, it should just stick to being a 4WD.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I would have to say that I bought my D1 because it is basic. I wanted to buy a 4WD. A real one. One without electronic this and electronic that. I wanted some hope of starting it if it all went south.... I also bought it because it is not a car.. and in some repects the D2 is just that. Tries to be a car, but really, it should just stick to being a 4WD.

but yours has COILS!!!

and MAGS!!

and AIRCON!!

and OMG! carpet!! (*shakes head)

tsk tsk tsk,,,

real 4wds have NONE of those things,,,













hey klappers,,
one silly statement deserves another,,;):D

[slug_burner]

I would have to say that I bought my D1 because it is basic. I wanted to buy a 4WD. A real one. One without electronic this and electronic that. I wanted some hope of starting it if it all went south.... I also bought it because it is not a car.. and in some repects the D2 is just that. Tries to be a car, but really, it should just stick to being a 4WD.

Yes that is why I got a Defender.

[njz]

I have a D1 and a D2a, both V8s. I think they both have their merits and I certainly wouldn't say the D2a is twice as good as the D1. The D2 is incrementally better in some areas. Some things like the seats are a step backwards though.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

and the sunken window switches,,,;)

[Ausfree]

Who, um, maybe, um, stretch the truth about what a FL can do ... to make you feel good about yourself because you bought a FL ?? :D

... isn't it a bit like the Little Engine Who could ... "I think I can, I THINK I can ... " :Rolling::tease: :Rolling::tease: :Rolling::tease:

Kev.. ;) Hey Kev, very funny man!!!!:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[Fluids]

Thanks Jim :)

That said, what **Discovery300tdi** says is pretty true. It's down to the skills of the driver more than the "features" the vehicle provides in many cases. If you don't know where to put your wheels, or how to asses the correct approach, you're goona get stuck ... or you're driving a monster truck! :eek: I'm quiet sure the FL is a very capable vehicle, and in the hands of an experienced driver could be made to go places .... that D1 & D2's go.

As soon as you add mod's to any of these vehicles, it's not a level playing field anymore.

Kev..

[klappers]

but yours has COILS!!!

and MAGS!!

and AIRCON!!

and OMG! carpet!! (*shakes head)

tsk tsk tsk,,,

real 4wds have NONE of those things,,,













hey klappers,,
one silly statement deserves another,,;):D


No mags mate.. steel wheels. No EMS. Yes it does have aircon but I dont use it. Why wouldnt a real 4WD have coils?? UNI MOG does!

[big guy]

Notice D1 drivers favour D1's and D2 drivers favour D2's.

There is a pattern. If I sold my D1, bought a D2 I would also say same as why else would I have bought a D2?

Simple really.

More than often its the driver.

Often done a track and thought, wow that was good, 2k's down the road is a Subaru brumby or similar and I go, WTF.:p

[adonuff]

Pictures never lie:D

Andrew

[alien]

Pictures never lie:D

Andrew


:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Go the D2's:banana:

[adonuff]

Had to say something !

[dullbird]

:angel: mmmmmmmmmmmmm you quite right a picture doesn't

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/801.jpg

By the way this one made it :lol2:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/802.jpg

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

Pictures never lie:D

Andrew

Haha pic no.3 lolololol MY DISCO KICKS ASS!!!!!!! Hagahahahahaha

Does that mean we'll have to start posting vids now, cause I got one of a certain D2 that went around that bog hole which myself and brenno got stuck in!!!! Oh yeah it's was alienD2 lololol

[adonuff]

Haha pic no.3 lolololol MY DISCO KICKS ASS!!!!!!! Hagahahahahaha

Does that mean we'll have to start posting vids now, cause I got one of a certain D2 that went around that bog hole which myself and brenno got stuck in!!!! Oh yeah it's was alienD2 lololol

You leave me no choice will have to put up the reco:)very pic you asked me not to show anyone

[slug_burner]

No matter how good the car, it is the driver that makes the difference. If you drive around a bog hole isn't that the driver picking a better line and making the difference?

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

You leave me no choice will have to put up the reco:)very pic you asked me not to show anyone

OOHHHHHHHHHH THATS BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lololololol WHOS THE SMARTASS WHO DOCTERED THAT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BRENNO GOT ME OUT LOLOL AND THERES NO WAY THE FREO COULD GET ME OUT CAUSE I WAS STUCK GOOD AND BRENNO HAD TO PULL A FEW TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THATS BLOODY AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLO I CANT STOP LAUGHING YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU BLOODY CHEEKY BUGGERS LOLOLOLOL

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

You leave me no choice will have to put up the reco:)very pic you asked me not to show anyone


AHHHHHH your a cheeky man andrew!!!!!! lololol bloody great though

[Landover]

Can we keep this post going until Queens Birthday weekend. It will make for a lively discussion around the camp fire, after a day out proving who's best. By the way Mines the best, Go the D1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

Can we keep this post going until Queens Birthday weekend. It will make for a lively discussion around the camp fire, after a day out proving who's best. By the way Mines the best, Go the D1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha I reckon this will go on for a while davo and pretty sure it will be brought up around the camp fire. Your d1 is the best but mine kicks ass!!!! Not sure though if there are any d2's coming along? Prob going to be out numbered anyway lol with all the d1's there as usual!!!

Oh hang on I know one...adonuf (Andrew) is coming.

[Barra1]

And my dick is bigger than your's:wasntme:

The boys of DiscoLand yap.:eek:

[**Discovery300Tdi**]

And my dick is bigger than your's:wasntme:

The boys of DiscoLand yap.:eek:

Yeah but it was cold that night!! Lol

[adonuff]

OOHHHHHHHHHH THATS BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lololololol WHOS THE SMARTASS WHO DOCTERED THAT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BRENNO GOT ME OUT LOLOL AND THERES NO WAY THE FREO COULD GET ME OUT CAUSE I WAS STUCK GOOD AND BRENNO HAD TO PULL A FEW TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THATS BLOODY AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLO I CANT STOP LAUGHING YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU BLOODY CHEEKY BUGGERS LOLOLOLOL

I confess, was me, when I get the time I will do a much better forgery and send it to you, had to rush the last one. It is however the most popular pic in the Freelander section.:D

Andrew

[Stuck]

Notice D1 drivers favour D1's and D2 drivers favour D2's.

There is a pattern. If I sold my D1, bought a D2 I would also say same as why else would I have bought a D2?


Not always. I don't do any 4wding apart from an occasional fishing trip on the beach and my Disco's occasionally do their bit towing car floats or my 2 tonne boat/trailer. I had a 200tdi D1 and covered about 150,000 trouble free kms in the ten years that I had it. I've now had a Td5 D2 auto for 2.5 yrs and 40,000 kms and with all of the hullabaloo about manifolds, head gaskets, 3 amigos, oil pump bolts, wheel bearings and the list goes on (touch wood), I haven't got a fraction of the confidence in this one that I had in my old one. I feel like it's more of a case of when and not if with the D2.
Cheers,
Anthony.