Do I give up a well sorted Td5 for a Puma?

[Col.Coleman]

I have got about 4 weeks to go and I give up my work dunnydore(thank god) and go back to using my own vehicle. Work is generously paying me 20kp/a for the privilage, so the coin required is not the issue.

I would like a quieter more user friendly version of the latest 130, with some of the Mod Cons that make everyday use more bearable, such as central locking, power windows, ability to plug in bluetooth hands free, proper aircon, a lighter clutch and the peice of mind of a new vehicle with a warranty.

But is it worth giving up my Td5?

It only has 115k on the clock and the things I would miss would be, the salisbury and Maxidrives, back seat box, all the additions and the peice of mind that it has had all the fixes and recommended mods done.

What do I do?

CC

[juddy]

Ah, i was in the same boat as you here....

The old 300tdi was in tip top condition, and would have gone on for many more years, but as i use my car as a daily drive, something with alittle more comfort was required. I had already drove the new puma defender, and was very happy with it, outside its the same but the inside was like jumping 30 years forward, vast improvement on the older model. Its a pleasure to drive, and with the expanded range out there, at least you can pick one that best suits your needs....

[Chucaro]

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It only has 115k on the clock and the things I would miss would be, the salisbury and Maxidrives, back seat box, all the additions and the peice of mind that it has had all the fixes and recommended mods done.

What do I do?

CC

Keep the Td5 for another 50k or more and the sell it if you are ready :)

[Blknight.aus]

Nope.

peanut paste for the diffs, tcases, bits that hit each other and no guarantee that its not going to fall apart at the roof.

and an engine setup that wont be looked after by landrover for much after next year because something new will be coming out from the indians.

[clean32]

NO

20K gets every thing you want added to the TD5 and some

[jake]

Went through this exact dilema,. took the plunge and brought a 2010 wagon. Certainly was stress full listening to all the woes on the Puma. Now rightly or wrongly we did the trade. Only just ticked over 1500km so cannot really comment on the reliability issues. However our TD5 had quite a few problems over time especially driveline. Got the car perfect but then lost confidence in the TD5 reliability.
The new car ceretainly drives niceley and I like the improvements. I think for some the acceptance of change and new technology can be hard. For me, well the people that build these cars know a lot more than I do. Yep they build for a price and market and that is also part of change but new technology can be a good thing to. We looked at the new defender as a platform for what we want to do. We have loaded it with a few accessories but left all drive lines areas standard other than LR HD springs. I think as with any new car there are bound to be a few problems. No different to other brands. Hopefuly we will get good life out of our new one. I think if we did not then this would be the last Landrover for us.
Take the plunge and enjoy.

[stig0000]

20k will keep you happy in a sorted td5 for a long time, adn all the stuff you have done to your curent car, to get it swaped or all new is going to cost more then 20k if you add it up,;)

so for me always td5 for the WIN:D:D

[roverrescue]

Surely the suggestion we are all waiting for is:

"Pull that td5 lump and replace it with a 4BD1"
Then you will be truly happy and all will bow before you !!!!!!

CC I appreciate that your only real consideration is "Should I replace my current 130DC with a new 130DC?" That says something to me. A 130DC is the PERFECT overall outfit - engines, gear bags and year models are mere details!!!

Sorry this post offers no real advice.

Steve

[THE BOOGER]

Get the new one and keep the old for when the new one is off the road may not happen but youwill know after 6 months then sell the old if you want:D or give it some poor series 111 owner:twisted:

[Col.Coleman]

"Pull that td5 lump and replace it with a 4BD1"
Then you will be truly happy and all will bow before you !!!!!!

Surely sir you jest. I have a 4BD1 powered vehicle. Not going to happen, EVER.



CC I appreciate that your only real consideration is "Should I replace my current 130DC with a new 130DC?" That says something to me. A 130DC is the PERFECT overall outfit - engines, gear bags and year models are mere details!!!

Steve

You got that straight. 130's Rule. The rest just Drool.

CC

[Scallops]

If you can afford it - get the Puma (cos you won't be happy until you do) but keep the TD5 - you then have options. ;)

[PAT303]

With 115k's the Td5 will bring good money so I'd sell and go the puma.I will know by the end of this year which way I'll go as my work-income changes and if it does work out my much loved Tdi will go and be replaced by a Puma 90.You can live in the past as many do but I like to look forward and that way is Puma,I will most likely be going into the Pilbara so I'll get a hawkeye to read both the puma and L322 and do everything in house. Pat

[Col.Coleman]

Test drove myself a Puma Yesterday.

Not a chance in hell I'm getting a Puma 130.

The only difference I could find over mine was it made mine feel slow, and the clutch heavy. The tractibility of the Tdci was great, as was the new 6 speed box, but the new interior cramped the rear seating. Instead I am going to chuck $$$ at mine from Td5 Alive, and replace parts with upgrades over the next 12 months until the HP is up. Then I'll get a 110 Wagon.

CC

[PBob]

Me, I bought a Puma and wouldn't have bought a Defender if I had to buy an earlier model. I've driven a TD5 outback and whilst it is a very competent vehicle, it is not in the class of a Puma for comfort, power, air con, etc. I did come from Discos (6 of them).
If you wish to punish yourself :twisted: and drive around in an 80s model vehicle, go your hardest. If you wish to move with the times, don't hesitate and grade up into the smarter model.:cool:

[spudboy]

Looks like you've got your answer with a test drive!

I've got a Puma and a TD5, and the Puma is by far the better vehicle to drive around. 6 speed box makes 110KM/h bearable. Engine has more power. Aircon actually works.

Still love my TD5 and not thinking of selling it at all, but it is a 'previous generation' vehicle now.

Think back to a parallel argument when the TD5 first came out, with people comparing it to a 300TDi..... Same same. Then there was the 200TDi compared to the 300TDi... and so it goes, on and on.....

[PBob]

Spudboy,:BigThumb:

[Col.Coleman]

This is not a thread for feelgood purchase justifications. The question was to decide whether to sell a well sorted, heavily accesorised work vehicle for the new model.

I have acknowledged the improvements in the Puma, but there are also some backward steps. It would cost me an extra $30k+ on the purchase price stright up to equal the fitout of my vehicle.

There are tax implications to consider as well. Everything I upgrade on mine is a replacement part so deductable, where on a new vehicle it wouldn't be. I think a Td5 putting out 200bhp will rectify the shortcommings I experienced. Plan a Hybrid turbo, Intercooler, turbo boost contoll box, full stainless exhaust, ceramic manifold and remap.

I originally chose a 130 as a touring vehicle as the smaller cab size helped the air-con. in my opinion the air works quite well, so is not a problem.

Engine noise will be adressed with body deadner. The back seat situation in the new 130 is unacceptable. I lose my box for the water bladder and the kids cannot do long stints in those seats. The lower hanging gearbox is also a problem in the Puma. I use mine hard and drag its belly already.

If you had of read properly, I haven't said I won't upgrade to a Puma, just not a 130. Once I have refitted mine out it will be a keeper, and then I will get a 110 wagon. But by then, it will most probably be more like a Range Rover Sport. Who is not keeping with the times now.

CC

[justinc]

I'm glad you kept the Sals equipped Td5 130. I agree they are better in a few important ways.

Puma 110 will be OK, and a 90 would be a hoot, although incrediby impractical...:D


Those performance Upgrades you mentioned will be a stunning improvement:cool:


JC

[Col.Coleman]

Not just a Sal, But a Maxi'd one to boot. It is my tow vehicle, and beleive me, I use all 4 ton available at times.

CC

[Scallops]

Not just a Sal, But a Maxi'd one to boot. It is my tow vehicle, and beleive me, I use all 4 ton available at times.

CC

Especially when we've all gotta eat! Go the field kitchen.

Good call on keeping your 130 mate - nuts to do otherwise I reckon. And as you say, a new one will happen for you in a 110 form later. ;)

Maybe one consideration - the next Puma engine is rumored to be the 2.2.

[LRO53]

There are tax implications to consider as well. Everything I upgrade on mine is a replacement part so deductable, where on a new vehicle it wouldn't be. I think a Td5 putting out 200bhp will rectify the shortcommings I experienced. Plan a Hybrid turbo, Intercooler, turbo boost contoll box, full stainless exhaust, ceramic manifold and remap.

I originally chose a 130 as a touring vehicle as the smaller cab size helped the air-con. in my opinion the air works quite well, so is not a problem.

Engine noise will be adressed with body deadner. The back seat situation in the new 130 is unacceptable. I lose my box for the water bladder and the kids cannot do long stints in those seats. The lower hanging gearbox is also a problem in the Puma. I use mine hard and drag its belly already.


CC

Sounds good get the Td5 running sweet... Don't puch it too hard tho..... I think a few mods but don't take it too far as it might bite you back.

You can get some good sound deadner kits for them. Should transform the vehicle.

[big guy]

Good choice mate.
By sounds your 130 is pretty sweet by now.

Just leave it as it is and buy an investment property or 2.
Buy them new if you can and by the time the depreciation and negative gearing is taken into account plus capital growth you will have made the value of a Puma every year in income and net asset value.

Good choice.Good for sticking to the original theme of landrover where they are to last a lifetime with bits made to be bolted on and off to get them going and had a life companion so to speak.

I too have a healthy car allowance, I drive a paid for Disco and pocket the rest. Sure I pay more tax but I get it all back at end of year.

Hope it all works out.