P38 snorkel

[PaulP38a]

The snorkel is finally on the Hard Rangie :cool::cool:

It has been a busy couple of days for Andy and I... just cleaning up now.

Pics to follow later this evening, including:


front diff guard (one that is not a shovel)
HRA 3-hoop bar with work lamps

Unfortunately, the sliders have slid (so to speak), but the rear bar/carrier should be ready by the LR Expo next weekend.

Should also have the Warne 9000 winch fitted to the HRA bar then too.

Here are the pics promised earlier.

cutting the hole on the test guard
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4439-1/IMG_2635.JPG

First fitting
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4453-1/IMG_2642.JPG

Fitted with my guard
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4477-1/IMG_2676.JPG

Pic from tonight after re-fitting the 3-hoop Roo Bar and adding 2x 18W LED work lamps
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4581-1/IMG_2689.JPG

Not so happy with the Safari head, which sticks about 60mm above the roof line. Will look at other options, including making our own and/or having it integral to the mould.

Also, need to finalise the fitting between the guard and the air box to get a good seal.

A few imperfections/lines in the mould that will get smoothed out in the the next version.

Also looking at a shadow indent for branding along the horizontal run.

Not a bad effort for the first one.

...and it fits under my garage door (on highway mode) by a whisper ;)

Cheers
Paul.

[Junosi]

Looking forward to some photos !

[Keithy P38]

I'm looking forward too!! I had no luck with my snorkel... Not enough time to pull everything apart properly and get right in there for a look!

[BusinessConnected]

Paul:
Looking forward to snorkel pics.. also after an email back RE: Faultmate Pricing.

[andrew e]

ahhh i have a bald patch. and i think i can see some greys. (pic 1. i have never seen a photo of the of my head before)

Andy

[p38arover]

ahhh i have a bald patch. and i think i can see some greys. (pic 1. i have never seen a photo of the of my head before)

Andy

I've had the dubious pleasure of looking at it! :o

:D

[ytt105]

Looking good Paul/Andrew.

Any place on the snorkel mountings for adding a CB aerial?

Regards
Trev

[PaulP38a]

Looking good Paul/Andrew.

Any place on the snorkel mountings for adding a CB aerial?

Regards
Trev

possibly one of those aerial mounts that sticks out the side of the bonnet could be attached to one of the bolts on the guard... see pic below
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4481-1/IMG_2678.JPG
Next mould will have thicker/wider tabs to improve strength, although these are surprisingly strong and rigid as is.

http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4469-1/IMG_2650.JPG

Cheers, Paul.

[BusinessConnected]

Paul:
How does the Snorkel affect visibility from a Driving Perspective.
Because of it's location is it effectively "Hidden" completely by the Pillar?

Looks fantastic, definitely eager :)

[WasabiPimpNinja]

Looks good Paul, good work both of you :) Looks like I'm going to have to convince the Mrs that this is a necessity, not a want..

I'm guessing by looking at the pics that this hooks up to the bottom of the airbox where the current water sucker is attached? Are there any airbox mods that need to be done? Also, what is it actually made out of?

Cheers,
Keels.

[daljames]

I'll buy one too.

[andrew e]

Mods to the airbox will be limited to a good seal against the guard, and installation of a ducks bum drain installed to let rain water drain out.

The current raised air intake is made from fiberglass, and i was a bit unsure at first, however now i have seen it, and felt, i think its strong enough.

Please be a little more paitent though, they arent ready to sell yet. As paul said, we are not happy with a few small things of the design (mounting tabs and head).

For the head, i was just going to ask the fiberglasser to make somthing similar to the safari one, but not as high, and with a bit more angle (when you look at the car straight on, the top of the head isnt level). Does anyone else have any ideas??

Andy


PS paul wheres the pics of the diff guard?

[andrew e]

sneak peek at the rear bar which we will be putting into production shortley after the show. The LED lights will be different though, I prefer the slimline ones.


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=28958&stc=1&d=1284894700


Andy

[p38arover]

That's a very long wheel carrier compared with, say, the Kaymar unit I have on my P38A - about twice as long. That also means you need a lot more clearance behind the car to open it.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/09/799.jpg

[andrew e]

The length is for rigidity, as the shorter it is the more chance of moving.

the overall length is far less than a disco back door, which is what phils design ws for origionally.

[ytt105]

Andy, with it that long how will go opening when my camper trailer is attached?

It may be the size of the disco rear door, but that is one of the main reasons I'll never buy a vehicle with one rear swing door!

I'd prefer it be as close to the hinge as possible, wouldn't that provide the required rigidity?

Trev

[discowhite]

criticism..usuall comes from them that arnt capable of building one them selves:p
the swing away is that long for 1 main reason and that is capable of holding a 35'' tyre, how far outside the body would a 35'' tyre stick out on your kaymar ron?? i also wanted to spread the load and have some extra for a hi lift jack mount/shove/rear light pole/whatever.

anyway, its my design,its a prototype and at least i havnt copied someone elses work.

[p38arover]

criticism..usuall comes from them that arnt capable of building one them selves:p .

It wasn't criticism, it was a constructive comment!


the swing away is that long for 1 main reason and that is capable of holding a 35'' tyre, how far outside the body would a 35'' tyre stick out on your kaymar ron?? i also wanted to spread the load and have some extra for a hi lift jack mount/shove/rear light pole/whatever.

There was no mention of it being for a 35" wheel and therefore a need for that size. I wasn't commenting on how far outside the body the wheel would stick, merely on the length of the arm.

Re a 35" on the Kaymar, I have no idea but Paul can put one on mine to check.

[WasabiPimpNinja]

For the head, i was just going to ask the fiberglasser to make somthing similar to the safari one, but not as high, and with a bit more angle (when you look at the car straight on, the top of the head isnt level). Does anyone else have any ideas??

Andy


Personally, I think if you took the Safari head, flipped it 90* so the mouth was tall and skinny not short and wide, and rounded the edges off so it was more oval, not rectangular, shortened the length of the snorkel and mounted it so it was flush with the roof height, that would look Mickey Mouse.

Might be a bit Pie In the Sky, but if you're looking for opinions... :P

Or feel free to send me a test snorkel and I'll build the head I'm thinking of for myself... I mean you :twisted:

Cheers,
Keels

[ytt105]

Don't get knarky Discowhite!!

It's all constructive comment as p38arover said.

And you're right, I couldn't build it. That's why I'd be interested in buying one when HardRange go into production.

But as I said, in its present configuration it would not be suitable for me.

Standard size tyres, camper trailer attached.

I'd have to climb over the drawbar to unclip the carrier, then climb back over the drawbar to get to the beer fridge, assuming it would swing over the top of the drawbar and camper handbrake.

So, Andy, the bumper bar looks fine, but those not using large tyres would probably be happier with a smaller swing-away,

Why not make both type of swing-aways and let the buyer choose?

[dullbird]

That snorkel needs "Hard Range" embossed on it on the section that leads down the A-pillar then it would look cool:)

[discowhite]

It wasn't criticism, it was a constructive comment!



There was no mention of it being for a 35" wheel and therefore a need for that size. I wasn't commenting on how far outside the body the wheel would stick, merely on the length of the arm.

Re a 35" on the Kaymar, I have no idea but Paul can put one on mine to check.

sorry ron, when i use a :p im 9times out of ten taking the ****;) youve met me you should know that.

[discowhite]

Don't get knarky Discowhite!!

It's all constructive comment as p38arover said.

And you're right, I couldn't build it. That's why I'd be interested in buying one when HardRange go into production.

But as I said, in its present configuration it would not be suitable for me.
how do you know? you havnt seen it yet. it clears my camper trailer but my D2 door dosnt.

Standard size tyres, camper trailer attached.

I'd have to climb over the drawbar to unclip the carrier, then climb back over the drawbar to get to the beer fridge, assuming it would swing over the top of the drawbar and camper handbrake. with a step down hitch, like the OEM D2 one it will/should clear most A frames, but probably not the likes of the ultimate. there are so many variables when building custom stuff its not funny and i dont think anyone out there can anticipate everything. as i said it is a prototype and im sure andy and paul will gladly listen to all sugestions when it comes to what actually goes into production.

So, Andy, the bumper bar looks fine, but those not using large tyres would probably be happier with a smaller swing-away,

Why not make both type of swing-aways and let the buyer choose?
this was taken into consideration when i was building it. i cant speak for the boys but its probably a possibility to have the option of long or short or no swing arm at all.


just remember that this was built in my shed with only a 4'' grinder a 170amp mig a 1/2 battery drill and a spray gun. i dont have access to the fabrication equipment the likes of kaymar/arb ect have, all i try and do is build a very reasonably priced pice of gear that will not break and suits the purpose for which its built.

cheers phil

[PaulP38a]

If only Land Rover had consulted its customers in a forum like this during development of the P38, we wouldn't have those computers on the floor and a snorkel/Raised Air Intake would be a standard option ;)

Thank you very much to all for your feedback. We tend to get focussed on certain aspects of product development so it is great to get some fresh perspectives.

The head of the snorkel/RAI will be lowered and possibly offset back towards the windscreen, similar to Keelan's suggestion.

Up for grabs where the Hard Range branding will go yet. Nothing too obnoxious... either raised slightly or indent/shadowed.

The rear bar - Phil has done an outstanding job on this. I will be swapping over to this bar at the first opportunity (heads-up that my 2yo 4x4i rear bar will be going on sale after that happens).

We will definitely discuss swing-arm options some more among ourselves. I do like the idea of having options for no arm, single short arm, 2 short arms or 1 long arm.

Given the strength of that bar, we may put a couple of recovery points in as well, and perhaps a nice looking rear bash plate (I see Hard Range branding there).

You can see where we are going with this I hope...
The rear bar gives us solid mounting to extend under-body protection.
At the front, the 3-hoop Roo Bar gives us side locating points to extend side protection from the Roo Bar back to the rock sliders (next project) and offers more protection for the RAI.

Andy - here's the pic of the diff guard you wanted, and you can just see the adjustable Panhard Rod as well ;)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers, Paul.

[WasabiPimpNinja]

Hey Paul,
Re: Snorkel flow conversation last night...
Bit quiet at work so I've done some calculations for you. Bear in mind, I'm not that great at maths or physics...

Ok, so @ 110kph lets say the engine sits on 2500rpm. If the engine had 100% volumetric efficiency, it would need just over 200cfm or air to feed it. If we take away the rest of the intake and say that we have 2m of 3" pipe (the snorkel) to feed the engine, @ 200cfm, the maximum flow of the pipe is ~23mp/s or ~83kph. So we have a difference of 27kph. What this would mean as far as I understand it (which is not very much), is that at 110kph, the maximum airflow of the pipe is less than the wind speed providing the air, so the extra air will take the path of least resistance and flow around the head rather than compressing the air in the snorkel already. I presume this would mean that you could run which ever design head you would like, as the engine will generally be using the vacuum to draw air in, rather than the wind speed pushing air in.

For those that are interested, at 5000rpm the engine will be drawing enough air to equal 165kph :P

Anywho, I think most of this is correct, I'll keep having a think about it and let you know if I realize I've stuffed up. And please feel free to tell me I've stuffed up anyone, as I say, I'm not full bottle on this stuff :)

Cheers,
Keels.

[andrew e]

Hey Paul,
Re: Snorkel flow conversation last night...
Bit quiet at work so I've done some calculations for you. Bear in mind, I'm not that great at maths or physics...

Ok, so @ 110kph lets say the engine sits on 2500rpm. If the engine had 100% volumetric efficiency, it would need just over 200cfm or air to feed it. If we take away the rest of the intake and say that we have 2m of 3" pipe (the snorkel) to feed the engine, @ 200cfm, the maximum flow of the pipe is ~23mp/s or ~83kph. So we have a difference of 27kph. What this would mean as far as I understand it (which is not very much), is that at 110kph, the maximum airflow of the pipe is less than the wind speed providing the air, so the extra air will take the path of least resistance and flow around the head rather than compressing the air in the snorkel already. I presume this would mean that you could run which ever design head you would like, as the engine will generally be using the vacuum to draw air in, rather than the wind speed pushing air in.

For those that are interested, at 5000rpm the engine will be drawing enough air to equal 165kph :P

Anywho, I think most of this is correct, I'll keep having a think about it and let you know if I realize I've stuffed up. And please feel free to tell me I've stuffed up anyone, as I say, I'm not full bottle on this stuff :)

Cheers,
Keels.


Yep you have stuffed up:D.

Snorkel pipe id is a minimum of 90mm (3.5"). The safari one for the 4.0 Disco 2 (and us 4,6 version) is only 75mm. The standard p38 airbox, post 97 has a removable air restrictor which is also 75mm. (yes pauls car has this removed, so it flows 90mm from snorkel head to air filter:twisted:)

I think i understand your calcs, but wouldnt the size and opening in the head of the snorkel make a bit more of an influence than the diameter of the pipe?

Andy


Re the rear bar, you would need a really really short drawbar for the wheel carrier to hit anything.

[andrew e]

just remember that this was built in my shed with only a 4'' grinder a 170amp mig a 1/2 battery drill and a spray gun. i dont have access to the fabrication equipment the likes of kaymar/arb ect have, all i try and do is build a very reasonably priced pice of gear that will not break and suits the purpose for which its built.

cheers phil


The quality, craftmanship and practicality in this rear bar is seccond to none. Even if you see it mounted to the car at the show on sunday, you wont be able to see the internal bracing that phill has put in, and all the chassis pickup points. (The car has more chance of bending in the middle than the bar bending). Phill is a perfectionist, which is why i begged him to build this for us.

Thankyou mate, I only wish you could do the production versions, not only the prototypes.

Andy

[DT-P38]

They both look really good Andy, job well done!

And I know they aren't for sale yet, but I will put my name up again for one of the snorkels anyway! :cool: The head would be nice if it was the style that wraps around onto the top of the windscreen glass... like the newer airtech (I think) ones.

And really man, you think you got a bald patch??? I'll show you a properly bred and trained one at the Expo. :D

[Scouse]

The head would be nice if it was the style that wraps around onto the top of the windscreen glass... like the newer airtech (I think) ones.I had heard they had a few problems in deep holes where the water splashes up the windscreen (rare but it does happen) & then right into the air intake.


And really man, you think you got a bald patch??? I'll show you a properly bred and trained one at the Expo. :DI'll see yours & raise you another !!:p

If my head was in that photo, the flash bounceback would have obliterated everything.

[WasabiPimpNinja]

Yep you have stuffed up:D.

Snorkel pipe id is a minimum of 90mm (3.5"). The safari one for the 4.0 Disco 2 (and us 4,6 version) is only 75mm. The standard p38 airbox, post 97 has a removable air restrictor which is also 75mm. (yes pauls car has this removed, so it flows 90mm from snorkel head to air filter:twisted:)

I think i understand your calcs, but wouldnt the size and opening in the head of the snorkel make a bit more of an influence than the diameter of the pipe?

Andy


Re the rear bar, you would need a really really short drawbar for the wheel carrier to hit anything.

Ah ha... That changes a few things.

Basically what I was trying to say was that at no point would you be relying on wind speed from the speed of the car to get the air into the engine, the engine would suck air into it at it's own needs as there would generally be more air speed outside the car than the engine would require. So as far as I see it, the design and shape of the head dont really matter that much in regards to flow (so long as its opening is equal to or greater than the ID of the pipe) as there will be a vacuum pulling it through rather than wind speed trying to force it in. The main issue we were talking about here was a sharp redirection or air flow from a snorkel head like I described before down the pipe.

Once again, I'm not full bottle on this stuff, that just how it seems to me...

Cheers,
Keels

[DT-P38]

I had heard they had a few problems in deep holes where the water splashes up the windscreen (rare but it does happen) & then right into the air intake.

Ah never thought of that... cancel my previous input/thought on the subject!

[996TURBO]

If only Land Rover had consulted its customers in a forum like this during development of the P38, we wouldn't have those computers on the floor and a snorkel/Raised Air Intake would be a standard option ;)

Thank you very much to all for your feedback. We tend to get focussed on certain aspects of product development so it is great to get some fresh perspectives.

The head of the snorkel/RAI will be lowered and possibly offset back towards the windscreen, similar to Keelan's suggestion.

Up for grabs where the Hard Range branding will go yet. Nothing too obnoxious... either raised slightly or indent/shadowed.

The rear bar - Phil has done an outstanding job on this. I will be swapping over to this bar at the first opportunity (heads-up that my 2yo 4x4i rear bar will be going on sale after that happens).

We will definitely discuss swing-arm options some more among ourselves. I do like the idea of having options for no arm, single short arm, 2 short arms or 1 long arm.

Given the strength of that bar, we may put a couple of recovery points in as well, and perhaps a nice looking rear bash plate (I see Hard Range branding there).

You can see where we are going with this I hope...
The rear bar gives us solid mounting to extend under-body protection.
At the front, the 3-hoop Roo Bar gives us side locating points to extend side protection from the Roo Bar back to the rock sliders (next project) and offers more protection for the RAI.

Andy - here's the pic of the diff guard you wanted, and you can just see the adjustable Panhard Rod as well ;)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Cheers, Paul.

That is brilliant!!! My hat's off sir:)

[p38arover]

I think I want one of those, Paul.

[996TURBO]

Yep you have stuffed up:D.

Snorkel pipe id is a minimum of 90mm (3.5"). The safari one for the 4.0 Disco 2 (and us 4,6 version) is only 75mm. The standard p38 airbox, post 97 has a removable air restrictor which is also 75mm. (yes pauls car has this removed, so it flows 90mm from snorkel head to air filter:twisted:)

Hi Andy,

Are you talking about that kind of removable air restrictor?

I found that plate when i did my snorkel install.

I don't know if it was factory or because of the LPG single point install in order to create more venturi effect

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4530/p1010365d.jpg

[Hoges]

If only Land Rover had consulted its customers in a forum like this during development of the P38, we wouldn't have those computers on the floor and a snorkel/Raised Air Intake would be a standard option ;)

Thank you very much to all for your feedback. We tend to get focussed on certain aspects of product development so it is great to get some fresh perspectives.

The head of the snorkel/RAI will be lowered and possibly offset back towards the windscreen, similar to Keelan's suggestion.

Up for grabs where the Hard Range branding will go yet. Nothing too obnoxious... either raised slightly or indent/shadowed.

The rear bar - Phil has done an outstanding job on this. I will be swapping over to this bar at the first opportunity (heads-up that my 2yo 4x4i rear bar will be going on sale after that happens).

We will definitely discuss swing-arm options some more among ourselves. I do like the idea of having options for no arm, single short arm, 2 short arms or 1 long arm.

Given the strength of that bar, we may put a couple of recovery points in as well, and perhaps a nice looking rear bash plate (I see Hard Range branding there).

You can see where we are going with this I hope...
The rear bar gives us solid mounting to extend under-body protection.
At the front, the 3-hoop Roo Bar gives us side locating points to extend side protection from the Roo Bar back to the rock sliders (next project) and offers more protection for the RAI.

Andy - here's the pic of the diff guard you wanted, and you can just see the adjustable Panhard Rod as well ;)
http://paulp38a.com/gallery/d/4601-1/IMG_2705.JPG

Cheers, Paul.

Does it come with a padlock? :angel::twisted::wasntme:

[BusinessConnected]

Any Updates on the Snorkel developments?

[p38arover]

just remember that this was built in my shed with only a 4'' grinder a 170amp mig a 1/2 battery drill and a spray gun. i dont have access to the fabrication equipment the likes of kaymar/arb ect have, all i try and do is build a very reasonably priced pice of gear that will not break and suits the purpose for which its built.

cheers phil

I saw the wheel carrier at the Expo and it look far better "in the flesh". The photos don't do it justice.

[DT-P38]

Any Updates on the Snorkel developments?

seeing as your on line tonight Paul, how is the "Rangie Ram" coming along?

or is that actually a question for Andy?

[PaulP38a]

seeing as your on line tonight Paul, how is the "Rangie Ram" coming along?

or is that actually a question for Andy?

damn, you spotted me! ;)

Well, Andy is more in touch with it than I am. He's recently got the Ver 2 RAI to another one of our members who is having it fitted to his P38. I haven't seen any pics yet. What I do know is:


it has stronger mounts than the Ver 1 I am running, although they have given me no problems (Dave, I think you were there when I whacked it against a few low tree branches up near Black Spur).
the Safari head is gone and replaced with a moulded head that sits closer to the roof line.
dunno if the Hard Range/ HTFU/ HTRU branding is on it yet.

If Andy and the Capt'n are happy with this one, it is ready for production and will soon be adorning the side of the "Black Label Edition" Rangie... This time I seal the air-box properly :p

Cheers
Paul.

[Keithy P38]

As soon as this one hits the streets i'll be putting my name down for one!

[Hoges]

Thought I'd resurrect this thread in the light of developments wrt our water problem here in the Sun-no-shine state. The warnings have gone out that 600mm deep fast flowing water will sweep a heavy 4wd away...
Not wishing to spoil fun but I'm really re-thinking my risk assessments of venturing into water...
Meanwhile the Bris river continues to rise...

[BusinessConnected]

Posted by PaulP38 in the Mud Tyres Thread

not $1,000,000... we are aiming for sub-$500, including head and air-box connector piping. Up to customers to supply their own Sikaflex to seal the air-box or we could probably supply at cost... just adds weight to the shipment.

The second RAI is still in test with another member of this forum.

Andy is back from the NT mid-this week and will be getting more RAI's made up taking Captain's feedback in to account for the "final" model.

Then we make up the fitting templates and write the instructions. Shipping is going to be a pain though... too big for Aust Post, so it will have to be pickup or via courier.

End of the month looks promising... gods willing and the rivers don't rise ;)

BTW: this is supposed to be a Muddies thread.... FWIW I'm planning to put BFG KM2's on one of the P38's when I can afford it, might even drop down to 32" to avoid scrubbing altogether.

Cheers, Paul.

[BusinessConnected]

TNT are usually reasonable for shipping larger items like this.
Perhaps we could organise a "Group Shipment" to a Capital City and the collect from a Central Point.

We could then all have a "Oooohhh, Aahhhh" moment as we unwrap our Raised Air "Snorkel" Intakes :)

[PaulP38a]

TNT are usually reasonable for shipping larger items like this.
Perhaps we could organise a "Group Shipment" to a Capital City and the collect from a Central Point.

We could then all have a "Oooohhh, Aahhhh" moment as we unwrap our Raised Air "Snorkel" Intakes :)

Yeah, TNT aren't too bad. I have an account with them and have at times found them cheaper than Hunter, which came as a bit of a surprise.

More than happy to do the group shipment thing to keep shared costs down. The Hard Range office in Balwyn North (DT-P38) could be a potential distribution point for you Mexicans if Dave agrees, and can get his better half's 'Cruiser and 911 Targa out of the driveway to avoid damage from incoming P38's ;)

Depending on demand in other Capitals, we'll be looking for a "mate" to accept the shipment and subsequent visits from other RAI buyers.

Perhaps we can make a day of it? I will personally donate a slab of beer to each "Snags and Snorkel" event that a mate in each Capital City or Major Regional area agrees to host. As a responsible person, I should only donate light beer since you will be driving your P38 :p

Of course, we have to get those RAI/Snorkels out to you yet...

Cheers, Paul.

[BusinessConnected]

Paul:
I'm happy to be a Melbourne Base, however I'm up in Pheasant Creek/Kinglake which might be detrimental to shipping costs.

However we could organise a P38 Rangie 4WD Drive Day up here... followed by Snorkel Collections :)

[DT-P38]

No prob's Paul. ALways happy to have a pride (is that the appropriate collective?) of P38's gathering at my place. Also happy to put the Melbourne shipment in my little box trailer and on the roof racks and drive up to Kinglake for a day out of driving and perhaps O/N swagging... always love a few beers around the fire!

Either way, when they are ready I am too!!!

P.S. All our inferior vehicles will be ejected to the street in favour of P38's

[BusinessConnected]

Well my property in Pheasant Creek/Kinglake is on 5 Acres, and theres a nice collection of empty Horse Paddocks out the front of the house waiting for a Pride of P38's to arrive.

We already have 2 x P38's to begin with (Wifes & Mine) so we are already on the way so to speak :)

[PaulP38a]

Now there's a thought... if we have them good to go by end of the month and I am coming down to Greendale gathering on 5-March I can throw a few RAI's in the boot.

If that falls through, I could come for a drive down anyway and bring some with me... saves you shipping costs and you can buy me a beer instead :twobeers:

[BusinessConnected]

Paul:
No need for the "Buy" of the Beer... The Beer Keg Fridge is full of 19L Kegs of Commercial Home Brew goodness :)

[DT-P38]

AAAAH people competing to supply beer.... at last I have found heaven on earth!!! :angel:

[PaulP38a]

good news... and the rest

Couple of pics of the v2 RAI on Captain's P38
http://hardrange.com/gallery1/d/758-1/P2170158.jpghttp://hardrange.com/gallery1/d/768-1/P2170163.jpg
Nice colour coding job Captain!

Did a fitting of the recast V3 RAI today with custom head on to my P38.
http://hardrange.com/gallery1/d/798-1/Sydney-20110314-00014.jpg

Head now sits flush/lower than roofline.
http://hardrange.com/gallery1/d/804-1/Sydney-20110314-00017.jpg

Also changing the way it mounts to the A-pillar. Two holes required through the plastic trim, but not big notches any more.

That head? It is integral to the RAI itself. If you want to swap for a Safari, Mantec or other, you will need to cut it off and adapt the other head.

Timing you ask? Has it been a year already? :o Another week for this mould to be made, tested, painted (GM Black) and then fitted to a car for road testing. My blue or black Rangies are the likely candidates but fitting is restricted by my availability... considering asking for a volunteer in W/SW Sydney who can make themselves available for fitting and testing of the RAI (might be one visit, might be a few)... downside is you will have a hole in the front LH guard and some damage to the LH A-Pillar... upside is you will get to kep the RAI as a thank you.

Cheers, Paul.

[p38arover]

considering asking for a volunteer in W/SW Sydney who can make themselves available for fitting and testing of the RAI (might be one visit, might be a few)... downside is you will have a hole in the front LH guard and some damage to the LH A-Pillar... upside is you will get to kep the RAI as a thank you.


Thinking, thinking...... :)



PM sent.

[Keithy P38]

I can't afford the drive down there again yet Paul :-) But the V3 looks great! Great work!

[BusinessConnected]

V3 looks fantastic... Now considering 2 x Units rather than just 1 :)

[ytt105]

Paul

You can cut into mine if you like.

Looks like you did the last one at 'Footrot Flats'!

Trevor

[Scouse]

It looks like the bonnet might open to the 90deg postion with V3 - is this the case?

[Captain HSE 4.6 2000]

Hi - Everyone just to confirm you get 100% bonnet function with V2, I can't speak for V3 but the lads are fine tuning. If anyone lives Northside Sydney PM me if you want a closer look.

Pending what the lads want to do I'll try and put some photo's up of my finished project.

Happy Ranging - The Captain

[PaulP38a]

Thanks for dropping by Captain... the rest of the pics you sent me are up in the Gallery.

Scouse - the V1, 2 and 3 RAI's allow the bonnet to open to at least the 90deg position.

Trev - that was another "Footrot Flats", not the one we frequent in Canberra.

Cheers, Paul.

[DT-P38]

Paul, I know you want someone handy to Sydney, but perhaps having one getting around Melbourne wouldn't hurt either.

Say I manage to get "the pig" up there... Do you think I could leave her with someone responsible to bang the snorkel in? And perhaps you can throw the lift kit in the boot and bang the big (black) hardrange sill stickers on at the same time!

I need to spend a week or so in Bris-vegas soon and could jump up there and then hitch a lift back to drive her home again afterward.

Sounds complex, but happy to play along for the benefit of the Vic team!

Dave

P.S. Is the latest version embossed with "harden up", or HRA logo, or something?

[PaulP38a]

Dave - Andy would have to be the "responsible" party so we'll need to check with him. We have a Sydney-based donor now who is well known to us all as giving considered, frank and honest advice... :o

I am all for having a Victorian "demo" vehicle too and you are 'da man ('coz you feed and ply me with alcohol) ;)

Branding design of the RAI is in progress, but not the highest priority next to getting the RAI right.

Next priority is to make it sleeved near the bend at the A-pillar to allow easier shipping for interstate and o/s buyers. Guess that will be v3.5 or 4.

Regarding the branding, am happy to take suggestions and artwork mock-ups from the forum. Perhaps we offer a reward for the one we adopt?... after all, it will be your cars that wear it :D

Cheers, Paul.

[DT-P38]

OK 'Mr ACT Night Owl', I am happy to leave 'the pig' with Andy... as long as he keeps the "lets cut her up" ethic to the minimum required!

I am not ready to have her bob tailed, camel cut and flared with 40 plus inch rims just yet!!! Still need her to do primary school pick up and around town duties for a while...

Will await guidance from Andy on what he's happy to do (and when), and will start brainstorming (that could be a challenge) for the 'branding' competition too!

[PaulP38a]

OK 'Mr ACT Night Owl', I am happy to leave 'the pig' with Andy... as long as he keeps the "lets cut her up" ethic to the minimum required!

I am not ready to have her bob tailed, camel cut and flared with 40 plus inch rims just yet!!! Still need her to do primary school pick up and around town duties for a while...


sorry, can't guarantee that any or all of the above won't happen... :p especially if it spends a few days at Bundalene's place (if they are willing of course) where the Rangies now outnumber the Defenders and Disco's.




Will await guidance from Andy on what he's happy to do (and when), and will start brainstorming (that could be a challenge) for the 'branding' competition too!
Me too... I haven't asked him yet.

Looking forward to seeing some inspirational designs.

[Scouse]

We have a Sydney-based donor now who is well known to us all as giving considered, frank and honest advice... :o

I thought it might have been Ron until you drifted off into the 'advice' bit ;).

[PaulP38a]

I have it on good authority that the first two of our V3 production RAI's (snorkel if you seal it properly) are out of the mould this week.

If "that Sydney donor" wants to call Andy we can arrange the cutting of your pretty P38 and fitting of the RAI... or if I get up there first it will be on one of my P38's.

Cheers
Paul.

[p38arover]

I thought it might have been Ron until you drifted off into the 'advice' bit ;).

Zackly!

I thought it might have been going on your P38A.

[Scouse]

I thought it might have been going on your P38A.I don't have one & I'm forbidden to take Leslie's one off road so a snorkel is pointless anyway :).

[Marshall]

Hi, thought I would ask this in this thread so I can find it back later:angel:

How hard would it be to swap the location of the EAS compressor with the air box so one could make an RAI with a shorter piece running down the outside of the gaurd?

[PaulP38a]

Hi, thought I would ask this in this thread so I can find it back later:angel:

How hard would it be to swap the location of the EAS compressor with the air box so one could make an RAI with a shorter piece running down the outside of the gaurd?

bl**dy mind readers ;)

Not too hard really, just extend the air lines and electrics, and make up a new bracket to mount it forward and down.

Modify the air box to fit, or use a different one and modify the pipe, MAF etc to the manifold.

Keep us informed of how you go with it, and I'll do the same when I get time to play with RAI v5 or v6 (v4 is the sleeved/shippable one) :D

Cheers
Paul.

[wanglemoose]

bl**dy mind readers ;)

Not too hard really, just extend the air lines and electrics, and make up a new bracket to mount it forward and down.

Modify the air box to fit, or use a different one and modify the pipe, MAF etc to the manifold.

Keep us informed of how you go with it, and I'll do the same when I get time to play with RAI v5 or v6 (v4 is the sleeved/shippable one) :D

Cheers
Paul.

keep in mind you will have to move the cruise control unit and possibly the charcoal canister aswell to make room for a big enough pipe to go thru.

[WasabiPimpNinja]

bl**dy mind readers ;)

Not too hard really, just extend the air lines and electrics, and make up a new bracket to mount it forward and down.

Modify the air box to fit, or use a different one and modify the pipe, MAF etc to the manifold.

Keep us informed of how you go with it, and I'll do the same when I get time to play with RAI v5 or v6 (v4 is the sleeved/shippable one) :D

Cheers
Paul.

I was thinking the same thing, but remove the airbox for dual battery setup and mount either this http://www.knfilters.com/57s_airbox.htm (http://www.knfilters.com/57s_airbox.htm) or this http://www.knfilters.com/universal/apollo.htm (http://www.knfilters.com/universal/apollo.htm) under the EAS box. Move the AFM to just before the TB and it should be good to go. I was going to give it a try, had one of those Apollo filter kits lying around from an old project but I made the fatal mistake of leaving it at my dads house where it became a foot stool, then a lamp stand, and then sold for much less than it was worth ;) But that's the risks of using Dad as a storage yard :)

Cheers,
Keels