s2a and s3 compatability

[Papa Smurf]

i have the opportunity to buy a s3 swb and a s2a swb both are need of repair badly. my intentions are to mainly do the s2a. it has a good firewall and chassis. it does how ever need most panels need replacing. will i have any problems with this or will they all line up perfectly? i suppose what i am really asking is what problems will i have putting s3 body panels(excluding roof and tailgate) on a s2a? also what differences are there in the engine and gearbox and diffs aswell?
papa smurf:)

[Blknight.aus]

small stuff really but nothing that prevents you from swapping major and most of the minor sub asemblies over. IE you can bolt one gearbox in the place of the other and you can unbolt the tcase from one and bolt it onto the other But you cant take the lay shaft out of one gearbox and put it in the other (and even then sometimes you can) without doing some mods.

[JDNSW]

Virtually everything on 2a and 3 are interchangeable even if only as complete assemblies. There are a few minor problems - for example the windscreens are not interchangeable because the hinges are different - but the glass is interchangeable, or you could modify the bulkhead to take S3 hinges.

Transfer cases are fully interchangeable, gearboxes are interchangeable except the clutch piping is different, and so on. Except for the bulkhead, almost all the body is either identical or interchangeable panel by panel. Front and rear axles are the same or interchangeable, except that the 109 went to the salisbury rear in late production. Note that there was a gradual change from British to Unified threads throughout 2a production, with metric threads introduced in late S3 production.

John

[Papa Smurf]

so s3 and s2a axles are the same?

[Blknight.aus]

near enough that they interchange.

[Johnsy73]

Hi, first time post and first time project Landy owner... I'm trying to rebuild a '64 S2A diesel but I'm having trouble trying to get a starter motor and replace the 6v generator with a 12v alternator. Both are unservicable and to try and rebuild them would be a waste of time, if I want to run a modern 12v battery and electrical. Can I use late model S3 parts for this or even county bits?

Cheers.


'64 S2A Diesel 88" for me , the kids and the dog,
'04 Disco 2 for the missus.

[groucho]

If it's a diesel you might be getting confused. It should be 12v.
has it got 2 6v batteries ? I never seen a 6v diesel. Any S3 alternator will do..

[drifter]

Starter Motor and Alternator available via KB Classic Parts in QLD. He was a Lucas man for over 40 years - knows the stuff backwards. I was speaking with him last night about the same stuff. Details: Kevin Baker ph 07 54944221

[Aaron IIA]

All Land Rovers are 12V. The original generator is very cheap and easy to rebuild. The starter from a 200Tdi fits and works well. These are quite affordable second hand

Aaron.

[JDNSW]

As above. The early Series 2a diesels used two six volt batteries in series to get sufficient cranking current in the available space - one under the bonnet and one under the seat.

Unless trying for originality I would use a single 12v battery in either position, and change to negative earth while at it. The generator, while probably repairable, I would replace with an alternator - Series 3 or several others would fit easily using Series 3 brackets.

The starter is almost certainly repairable cheaply, but the 200Tdi starter suggested is more readily serviced, lighter, and generally a better option.

John

[Blknight.aus]

and a bucket load easier to install cause its lighter and better shaped...

the series starter I could just manage as a 2 hand job.

the tdi is a single hander, much easier.

draws about 2/3 the current for the same effect.

[Johnsy73]

If it's a diesel you might be getting confused. It should be 12v.
has it got 2 6v batteries ? I never seen a 6v diesel. Any S3 alternator will do..

Yeah, cheers Groucho, I got confused with the two 6v batteries in series. Thanks to all for your inputs too. So the switch gear from a S3 should be OK then too? I'm trying to get a new ignition key/switch from an S3 but I was told it wouldn't be any good. Sounds like bollocks to me now. I have many more questions but this will tie me over for a while.

:):):)

[isuzutoo-eh]

The diesel ignition switch has a position for glow plugs, so a petrol s3 ignition switch won't work the same. Also depends if yours is key start (later 2a/3) or button start, but I don't know specific differences there.

[Aaron IIA]

the 200Tdi starter suggested is more readily serviced

Would you be able to suggest where I could buy a replacement sprag clutch for less than the cost of a whole starter motor?

Aaron.

[JDNSW]

Would you be able to suggest where I could buy a replacement sprag clutch for less than the cost of a whole starter motor?

Aaron.

At least you can probably buy one - may be difficcult for the Series Diesel one!

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

All Land Rovers are 12V.
<snip>On this occasion the above information is incorrect. Some Series Land Rovers and 101" Land Rover forward control are 24V, but mostly those started life as a military radio vehicle.

[Aaron IIA]

On this occasion the above information is incorrect. Some Series Land Rovers and 101" Land Rover forward control are 24V, but mostly those started life as a military radio vehicle.

True. How about all original factory specified, original engineering manufactured, civillian specification Land Rovers?

Aaron.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

True. How about all original factory specified, original engineering manufactured Land Rovers?

Aaron.The FFR's came out of the Land Rover factories 24V, that would make them OEM.