Defender 200tdi use much oil

[fender22]

Have a 93 Defender 200tdi, 140000k's (genuine, log books). Only done about 800ks in her so far but just wondering if these engines use any oil as a rule? Certainly doesn't blow any smoke to speak of. I just checked it then and it was on the low side but I haven't checked it since I bought i so will keep an eye on it.

[flagg]

Drove the same for a few years.. it never needed a top-up between changes..

[ugu80]

I take it you didn't check it straight after a drive.

[fender22]

I always check my vehicles cold. I figure it they're low when cold and all the oil drained down will even be worse when warm

[LowRanger]

Have a 93 Defender 200tdi, 140000k's (genuine, log books). Only done about 800ks in her so far but just wondering if these engines use any oil as a rule? Certainly doesn't blow any smoke to speak of. I just checked it then and it was on the low side but I haven't checked it since I bought i so will keep an eye on it.


I have 360,000km on my built Oct 93 MY094 model 110 200Tdi and it doesn't use a drop between oil changes.But mine doesn't look as clean as yours:(
But mine doesn't have the coolant leak either :D:wasntme:

Wayne

[justinc]

The 200Tdi unless it has had a history of excessive idling and some oil leaks, is usually a non consumer of oil between changes. Well, at the most 500mls or thereabouts.

I haven't known ANY to have a consumption problem apart from leaking...:mad:


Enjoy it, they are a great little engine:)


JC

[rick130]

OK, mines a 300 and not a 200, but it's done damned near 270,000km now and doesn't use a drop in almost 10,000km, once I installed new valve stem seals 25,000km ago. (three were floating with the stems instead of being pushed onto the valve guide)
Even then it only consumed around 600ml/10,000km.

[justinc]

OK, mines a 300 and not a 200, but it's done damned near 270,000km now and doesn't use a drop in almost 10,000km, once I installed new valve stem seals 25,000km ago. (three were floating with the stems instead of being pushed onto the valve guide)
Even then it only consumed around 600ml/10,000km.

Rick, I have a 300 Tdi customer with 540K, and it requires no top ups in 10K intervals. At most, 500ml is gone when it came time for service.

This engine has always done long runs, and regularly serviced. The owner NEVER idled it longer than necessary, which for a small diesel engine is an important factor in good ring to bore sealing. The vehicle is a 1 owner.

JC

[rick130]

Yep JC, the lack of idleing is important in any diesel IMO, which goes against all we were taught as kids.

One of the fella's I go to for oil and diesel advise is an advisor to the trucking industry and ran his own fleet for years.
If any driver was found to have idled his truck for longer than 2.5 minutes at any time he got a please explain.
If it happened twice it was grounds for penalties.

[one_iota]

That's interesting. What is the science/engineering behind that?

[spudfan]

1992 200 tdi,uses no oil between changes. Have owned it for 14 years and I have never had to do a top up. Serviced at 3000 mile intervals.

[rick130]

Even though a diesel idles at an extremely lean mixture, as best as I can understand it is that idling for too long drops chamber temps too much and can lead to fuel wash down the cylinder wall and the potential for bore glazing or just plain ring wear.

Modern, high spec oils can mitigate the glazing (mostly) but owners still don't like it.

[87County]

I can confirm that the 200tdi my son had was not a high oil consumer and neither are our 300 tdis.......have you checked the usual (and unusual) places for oil leaks ?

[Squatdog]

my 200 tdi has done round 100,000 on a rebiuld it use's round 300 ml between 5000 k service's thats useing fuchs oil that i get for free from work, i used to have a 300tdi if used penrite oil it would burn a little between service's but wouldnt burn a drop with the fuchs ,

my brother hilux did similer things with different oil's as well

[PAT303]

Rick, I have a 300 Tdi customer with 540K, and it requires no top ups in 10K intervals. At most, 500ml is gone when it came time for service.

This engine has always done long runs, and regularly serviced. The owner NEVER idled it longer than necessary, which for a small diesel engine is an important factor in good ring to bore sealing. The vehicle is a 1 owner.

JC

Off topic but what has been done to that engine regarding what many think is normal Tdi behaviour such as big ends,head,head gasket etc. Pat

[kowari]

Mine uses no oil between changes, has 205,000 on the clock. the only leak is from the transfer box at about 500ml per 2-3000 klm

[justinc]

Off topic but what has been done to that engine regarding what many think is normal Tdi behaviour such as big ends,head,head gasket etc. Pat

Head gasket done at 400K, injector pump overhauled at around 500K, big ends are being replaced before the engine is fitted to its new owners vehicle. (The original vehicle was recently accident damaged and written off:()

Interestingly, NO bottom end noises and excellent/ quick oil pressure, with B'ends untouched 'til now.

JC

[PAT303]

The line about taken on long runs and regular servicing is the key,mine clicked over 436K this morning and it has instant oil pressure and no bearing noise,the misses drove it to work last week and I did hear the pinion bearing whining in the R380 while standing next to it though. Pat

[kenleyfred]

It always amazed me. Our 300tdi (Discovery) used to leak oil(fluids) everywhere. Driveway and under vehicle was always covered but never needed anything between services.

[justinc]

The line about taken on long runs and regular servicing is the key,mine clicked over 436K this morning and it has instant oil pressure and no bearing noise,the misses drove it to work last week and I did hear the pinion bearing whining in the R380 while standing next to it though. Pat

Pat,

With this vehicle, I was almost its 'personal physician', twice a year we had it in for servicing and the owner was very pro active too, checking levels and listening for changes in performance or any odd noise etc. I was so confident in the engine, that even at those hi km I bought the wreck off them and have sold the complete engine to a member on here, yet to be fitted to his vehicle. I would fit it to mine in a heartbeat, I see many, many lower km examples that through neglect or abuse are in far worse condition.

JC

[rick130]

I was ****ed off when mine did the big ends, but it fits neatly in that range of VIN's JC has noted seemed to do a few cranks.

The crank was fine, and there was no wear on the shells, (I credit the premium oils) but the overlay was de-laminating in patches and stress fractures across the shells abound.
The rods checked out OK for roundness, so it was either crap bearings or the rods distorting under load and I think a lack of adequate oil cooling with the stock cooler contributed too. (There are some steep hills around here, it cops a caning)

Then you have those like Serg/unimformed's whose Defender was book serviced and well looked after but still failed at too low a km. (spun a bearing, unsurprisingly similar VIN to mine)

[justinc]

Rick, we are getting a bit OT, but just another note, I have a 'WA' (1998) VIN D1 in at the moment with a delaminated big end (Which was quite audible:eek:)that actually failed and locked the engine while the owner was unloading it from the trailer:(

It was being driven while 'knocking' apparently, and when the noise got real bad it was trailered in. When the crank was inspected, one shell had actually slipped UNDER the other, 'wedge' locking the crank:o. The crank is ruined, and the rod also. ALL other big end shells were showing delaminations. Motor was quite OK otherwise, and will get a crank, a rod, a full set of shells, a hone and re ring. Bores are immaculate and only 245K.
Thats another WA VIN Tdi for the list:mad:


JC

[rick130]

I won't dare let on how long I drove mine while it was rattling.....lets just say premium oils are well worth the $... :angel:

[PAT303]

When they reached the WA VIN they ran out of white metal,had to use plumbers lead. Pat