Any R16's as good as scorpion AT's?

[alpick]

My 235/70/R16 Scorpion AT's are at the end of useful life and they dont make the R16 size anymore.

I love their performance in off road grip and quiet very good on road handling.

Anyone else had to make the change from Scorpion AT's to something else?

what did you choose?

how do they compare?


thanks in advance

[BigJon]

Scorpion ATR?

[alpick]

Anyone else had to make the change from Scorpion AT's to something else?

what did you choose?

how do they compare?


thanks in advance

Just offering alternatives wasn't quite what I was lookin for

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[Ean Austral]

Not sure what others think, but goodyear wranglers in the AT/SA or the AT the kevlars in my expieience are brilliant..Mine did the kimberleys the gunbarrel the CSR and plenty of off and on road and after 55,000ks still on the car and not 1 puncture,

I just bought a D3 and they will be the first thing I buy for it.

Others may not agree, but after owning coopers. BFG's. and Hancooks on the same car the goodyears win hands down

Cheers Ean

[alpick]

Anyone else had to make the change from Scorpion AT's to something else?

what did you choose?

how do they compare?


thanks in advance

Sorry not clear from your response.
So you had Scorpion AT's before the others?

thanks

[BigJon]

Just offering alternatives wasn't quite what I was lookin for

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If you are happy with Scorpion ATs, go to ATRs. They are the improved version, as far as I know. I have not had ATs, I am running ATRs.

[alpick]

how do the Scorpion ATR's go in slippery clay/light mud?

tread patern is much more "on road than AT's of course which is my problem with them, but reports of puncture resistance are excellent.

Have had a good comparison report with the new Bridgestone D694 AT's as being as good as the scorpion AT's?

Anyone else got a comparison with the scorpion AT's?


Cheers

[Phil633]

I have only had Scorpion A/T's, but run 245/75, a bit bigger than standard but have had no issues.

Am on my second set now after getting 110,000km out of the first.

This would be my recommendation, especially if you are happy with the Scorpion A/T's. My next choice would be the ATR's as mentioned they are supposed to be the improved version.

[BigJon]

how do the Scorpion ATR's go in slippery clay/light mud?



Cheers

I have been very impressed with mine. They are a lot better than they look like they should be.

[alpick]

I have only had Scorpion A/T's, but run 245/75, a bit bigger than standard but have had no issues.

Am on my second set now after getting 110,000km out of the first.

This would be my recommendation, especially if you are happy with the Scorpion A/T's. My next choice would be the ATR's as mentioned they are supposed to be the improved version.

they don't make scorpion AT in R16 anymore thats the problem

bugger!

[TerryO]

Sorry I have never had a set of the Scorpions but have done about 15000 k's on the D694 A/T's and so far they are pretty good but I wouldn't get that excited about them. Though that might be because I brought the LT version and they can be a bit harsh if you don't get the tyre pressure just right.

cheers,
Terry

[alpick]

Sorry I have never had a set of the Scorpions but have done about 15000 k's on the D694 A/T's and so far they are pretty good but I wouldn't get that excited about them. Though that might be because I brought the LT version and they can be a bit harsh if you don't get the tyre pressure just right.

cheers,
Terry

Thanks Terry could you expand on your meaning of a "bit harsh"? I was leaning towards LT due load rating.

Cheers

[alpick]

some feed back via PM

"On sand the ATR is a better performer than the AT.

Call the Pirelli tech support tomorrow and ask for Simon. He will be able to locate some for you I'm sure. I did notice that they removed them from the website and replaced them with STR. I just bought a set of Pirelli Scorpion Zero for the Rangie......they are tip top and extremely quiet but will not be as good as the ATR I have on the Disco on the rough stuff. The ATR are really good. I have driven on pebbles, dirt, mud and rock with no issues but obviously they are not going to be as good as the AT in mud......but a heck of a lot quieter on the tar.

Wifes uncle used them on a 13000k trip he had a while ago through the middle, top end and west aus and he was the only one in the group with Pirelli ATR and the only one that didn't get a puncture...but he may also have been the slowest."

cheers

[ozscott]

I went from 255/70/16 Scorpion AT's to 245/75/16 Maxxis Bravo 751 in an LT and rate it higher all round than the Pirelli. It is a tyre that resembles quite a lot the XPC. It is a big tough carcass that is excellent in the wet and in towing duties with no squirm - massive load rating. The Scorpions on my D1 - 245/70/16 were LT and better than the passenger rated ones on my D2.

Overall the Maxxis have proven to be very good on sand, road, and off road - mud is no better or worse than the AT's.

Simon Lun (Slunnie) had the AT's and went to the ATR and I think from memory he was very happy with the new ATR so PM him.

Cheers

[TerryO]

Thanks Terry could you expand on your meaning of a "bit harsh"? I was leaning towards LT due load rating.

Cheers

I picked LT's because I knew I would be towing a 2.5 ton off road caravan and didn't want to risk having lots of sidewall movement from standard walled tyres especially towing off road as I had chosen 265/70 x 16's which are quite a bit bigger tyre all round then the standard 255/55 x18's that my D2a came with.

If I pump the tyres up to suit towing the caravan then it is horrible to drive when not towing. With the standard sized and walled tyres it was easy to get a good driving balance in tyre pressure from just going from the manual but add in the taller tyres with LT construction and it is hard to get exactly the right balance which I'm not sure I have right yet.

Please let me know how you go. I would say one thing if your shocks are really stuffed and your present tyres are scolloping then make sure you fit new shocks at the same time or before the new tyres or you risk cutting down on the life and ride quailty of your new tyres.

cheers,
Terry

[blackjack]

I had a set of Scorpions ATs on a Hilux, no complaints, very good tyre, but could not match what my son can do in his hilux with Bridgestone DD 694s. And his Lux is a 2001 3l non turbo where mine is an 07 D4 with turbo. When we get into real soft sand for instance running 12lb pressures he will get up sandhills far easier than I can.
We also just finished 8 days in the Vic High Country and I cant believe where he took that car on all terrain tyres. I had my 2000 Disco, chipped, CDL, TD5 on Mickey Thompson MTZs which performed effortlessly but the 694s stayed with me over ground they just should not have been able to.
They also did not chip out at all. The MTZs showed plenty of chips to the lugs as muddies do on really rough rocky tracks.
If I was after tyres I would get muddies, no question, as the rubber these days is far quieter than they ever used to be, but will never be as quiet as less agressive tyres. But that was not the question, so all I can addd is the bit above re how well I have seen the new 694s perform. cheers

Jack

[knp]

We have the Scorpion ATR's in 245/70R16LT and are extremely pleased with grip in wet, good wear and very quiet. Mainly fully loaded touring and towing with only light off road. Great tyre much better than XPC's.

[BIG O]

I agree I have 245/75/16 Maxxis Bravo 751 in an LT on our 99 TD5. Great tyres, good price.

[Slunnie]

I have been very impressed with mine. They are a lot better than they look like they should be.
Yep, here is a comparison between the Pirelli AT and the Pirelli ATR.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/963.jpg

[Hamish71]

I have yokahama geolanders a/t s.....and Im pretty happy with them. To be honest, better than expected.

[alpick]

Yep, here is a comparison between the Pirelli AT and the Pirelli ATR.

And are they the 245lt's?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/01/963.jpg

Looks pretty good thanks for the pics helps heaps.

Very similar pattern to the D694 AT as well, it seems the curved pattern is the new "thing".

Re noise on the tar how does the scorpion ATR compare with the AT please

[Davek]

Hi, Just thought i would chip in.
I've just put on some new pirelli ATR's 245/70/16. Done 1500km's on em.
Just got 105 000km's out of the old pirelli AT's could have got some more(10-15000k's) but didn't want to risk with all this rain.
The new ATR's feel just a grippy and sure on the black top (wet & dry). No tyre noise, steering feels a little looser on the road. The ATR's dont feel like they hold a straight line on the road as well as the old AT's but nothing bad, just feel 'looser' if that makes sense.
Would recommend these tyres to anybody. I have owned hankooks, bridgestones and michellins (all ATR's) and these blow em away on road and equall off.

[Slunnie]

Looks pretty good thanks for the pics helps heaps.

Very similar pattern to the D694 AT as well, it seems the curved pattern is the new "thing".

Re noise on the tar how does the scorpion ATR compare with the AT please

That type of curve pattern gives lateral stability offroad from the centre, it gives drive from the outer lugs and it sweaps and clears water dirt from the pattern by the grooves opening up as they progress towards the outer part of the tyre - you see this also in the new Goodyear MTR with kevlar. The diagonal cuts will give drive and help clear the tread grooves with the angle making it smooth and quiet. The sips (little cuts) mop up under the tread blocks to increase the traction in wet weather on the road. Its also one of the few silica compound 4WD tyres, so a generation ahead of almost every other tyres rubber out there with the exception of the Goodyear MTR also - more traction and less wear, it will feel soft but you should get extra distance from them.

How does the tyre perform. Very smooth, rolls really well, rides nice, heaps of traction on dry and wet roads, brilliant on smooth rock, great on dry and damp tracks, mud and clay is the arch nemesis of this tyre. I bought them as road tyres, and was really surprised (in a good way) when I got them and tried them offroad. I was also surprised by them when I bogged it to the belly in mud at the bottom of my block.

[davrac]

While we are giving pirelli a good wrap I will put in my two bobs worth also. I reluctantly changed to the non-aggresive looking Pirelli ATRs on a holden rodeo 3L diesel dual cab after having some scary moments on wet roads with Cooper STT's. The STT's only had 30000km on them and heaps of tread left and were great off road. However they where a death trap on wet roads and until changing to the ATR's I didn't realize how noisy the STT's actually were. Living in Tassie I needed a good wet weather tyre also.

The ATR's totally changed the driving dynamic of the Rodeo and no doubt made it a better car to drive. Don't get me wrong my Coopers did many hard KM's in the NT before I moved to Tas and never missed a beat, I just think that the are not the all round tyre the ATR's undoubtablly are.

Now I know that this is a Land Rover forum so I had better tell you that the Rodeo is now gone for a more family friendly DIIa (which needs to be fixed way more often than the Rodeo) but I love it. As soon as I got it I fitted a set of 245/75/16 Pirelli ATR's and I am again very happy in all conditions.

I have had a few tyres most of which were on a DI TDi, so for what its worth here is my verdict.

Pirelli ATR's - best all round I have had, very confident wet road tyre, suprisingly good on dirt and off road for a tyre that does not look very aggresive, even surprised me in mud.

Cooper STT's - a very hard tyre to drive on due to rigid construction. great on dirt road and off road situations. Very long lifespan even though had many large chips in lugs from rocky roads. VERY noisy on bitumen and not good on wet roads.

BFG AT's - got very noisy below 60% tread left, not to bad off road, had lots of balance probs, not so good on wet roads. Good tread life but got hard and chipped alot on rocky roads. Quite a bit over rated I think but some rate them very highly.

Yokohama MT's (directional) - probably the best mud tyre I have owned and always seemed to outperform other mud tyreson mates cars. Poor life span as they are very soft got them replaced for free by tyre shop as were over 60% worn after 15000km. Good on wet roads and bitument for a mud tyre due to soft compound also reasonably quiet for a mudder. Not sure if they are still avail.

Also drove some police vehicles in the NT with Goodyear mud terrains which were very good on the dirt, off road and mud. Very noisy on the bitumen. No blowouts and we drove those poor police cars hard. Also had Cooper ST mud tyres on police cars and much quieter than the Good year MT's on the black stuff.

Had Bridgestone AT's when we were unfortunate enough to be issued Nissan Patrol police cars in NT. Best I don't comment about these tyres, let me just say that I changed quite a few of them on the rough dirt roads in the Alice springs area.

I hope my wife doesnt seem this post and start adding up how much I have spent on tyres:D. Sorry for blabbing on so much. he he :p

[spudboy]

Take a look at this old post: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/89427-good-tyre-review-australian-14-brands.html

I got ATRs for my 90 and they are brilliant. There may be better tyres in the mud, but for everything else the ATRs are fab.

[alpick]

thanks but for me the links in the old post no longer "link"D'Oh.

[spudboy]

Yeah - you are right :(

They must have shifted the article. I had a quick poke around their site, but couldn't find it. Sorry.

[alpick]

Thanks to all who responded with their comparisons and comments.

As I had not been able to view a Pirelli ATR at a dealer the photo's were particularly helpful Slunnie.

As a result it seems the Pirelli ATR's are as good as, and probably better than the AT's. Combined with comments by two dealers that they were awarded 4WD tyre of year sometime ago that's what my D2 will be reshod with.

Thanks again,

Al
:twobeers:

[spudboy]

I think you will be very happy with them.

Report back in a few weeks and let us know what you think.

Cheers
David

[OffTrack]

Yeah - you are right :(

They must have shifted the article. I had a quick poke around their site, but couldn't find it. Sorry.

it's worth trying the wayback internet machine at archive.org for these dead pages...

this is the most recent archive version of the tyre review.

Australian 4WD Monthly dedicated to 4WD, 4x4, SUV, Truck, 4 wheel drive and off road community, loaded with tips, tests, reviews, travel, gallery and forum (http://replay.web.archive.org/20091007204251/http://www.4wdaction.com.au/reviews/tips/tyres.php)

[ozscott]

If you are towing make sure its a true LT as marked for the ATR's...otherwise go Maxxis Bravo 751 LT...bloody brilliant. I have had LT in both and passenger in the Pirelli.

Cheers

[alpick]

Well after fitting the Scorpion ATR LT the result is as advertised by other users.

Have recently done sydney Brisbane alice springs sydney, loaded up and towing a camper trailer.

Faultless tyre performance on all surfaces and not a mark anywhere from the rough stuff.

A small amount of semi serious off road accessing the palm valley near Alice proved their grip in the sand crossing a FLOWING Finke river and suppleness while rock stepping.

Very happy customer, now all that remains is to see how they wear.

Cheers

[ozscott]

Good stuff mate. Thanks for posting your early observations of them. Please post back down the track - say at 50,000k on them.

Cheers

[OffTrack]

I haven't read the article but apparently the Scorpion ATR's came out top of the 36 tyres in an AT test published in the July 2011 issue of 4wd Action.

Australian 4WD Action | Australian 4WD Action (http://www.4wdaction.com.au/magazines/354-australian-4wd-action/46105-australian-4wd-action)

[OffTrack]

This is posted up on the Action Tyre blog, posting here for future reference:


The 4x4 Action Magazine had the following to say about the Pirelli Scorpion ATR "The Pirelli Scorpions were one of the most sure-footed tyres on the high-speed gravel swerve and hill climb legs of the test. The level of grip from the Scorpions allowed the Patrol to practically walk up the loose hill climb with very minimal wheel spin. Their traction on the downhill section of our test allowed us to bring the Patrol to a snail's pace whereas others simply slid down without grip".


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As usual 4WDAction's BS-factor "36 tyres" is actually a 9 tyre test. So not a particularly comprehensive round up of the available options. It would have been interesting to see how the Michelin Latitude Cross and Conti Cross Contact AT fared.