The no mod brigade...

[isuzurover]

Is it just me, or are they gaining a fervour approaching zealotry???

I seem to notice with increasing frequency, that whenever someone asks about mods (axles, tyres, snorkels, lockers etc...) there seem to be a bunch of people ready to jump in and say "the mod is unnecessary, your landie can take you anywhere you want to go in standard form"

Now while I can see the benefit in:
(a) keeping a vehicle stock standard until you have seen what it is capable of
(b) only doing what is absolutely necessary

The "you don't need to mod" crowd are casting broad aspersions about what the owner of the vehicle wants/needs.

Items such as lockers/snorkels/mud tyres may not be 100% necessary on a touring vehicle, but to many they are cheap insurance. When I was in the middle of the canning, a long way from anywhere, and we got 84 mm of rain, I was very glad I had lockers, mud tyres and a winch, and on a few occasions wished I had a snorkel.

I am all for people who wish to keep their vehicles standard, however, it would be nice if they could see with both eyes...

[disco_thrasher]

yeah i have also noticed this Ben ,these anti mod folk:2up::rocket: are in my eyes "forum tourers "they drive there landrover to the caravan park on the bitumen and every now and then might drive on the dirt shoulder .

now these folk are giving people advise on mods that are wanting to do the proper australian touring ,unfortunately this could leave them with some big trouble or very epensive problems,which could have been prevented by a few low cost mods .

[weeds]

err, i cannot recall two many threads where members suggest that mod is not required, definately not a daily comment.......maybe i need to read threads more closely

[NOZ]

err, i cannot recall two many threads where members suggest that mod is not required, definately not a daily comment.......maybe i need to read threads more closely

There is lots Weeds, just read mud tyres for a Defender :wasntme:


Any way each to there own I say

[Grimace]

I personally dont understand why all 4WDs didn't come out with lockers and a winch from the factory (and thus coming from someone who has hardly ever had lockers and never a winch).
Back in the day more aggressive tread would have been on my list too.

Nowadays, the fourbys are more oversized road cars in the eyes of the creators, so I understand why they don't think about the people that actually wish to use them to their full potential.

Unfotunately as Ben has mentioned, there is a growing number of people who mock the modified scene. I understand this to a point because there are a lot of people with modifications they will never use, or that are purely for show (toyota owners are the worst for this:D). But you can't direct that opinion to all who choose to mod their vehicle.

I havn't really noticed it much online, but in the real world I see it every now and then.

[incisor]

me thinks grimace has hit the nail on the head....

[disco2hse]

Is it just me, or are they gaining a fervour approaching zealotry???

I seem to notice with increasing frequency, that whenever someone asks about mods (axles, tyres, snorkels, lockers etc...) there seem to be a bunch of people ready to jump in and say "the mod is unnecessary, your landie can take you anywhere you want to go in standard form"

Sorry. Just poking my nose through the door here and heard this. :)

To be honest, when I read the thread title I thought you were about to start promoting a new kind of anarchy for AULRO in which there would be no Inc., etc. :(

But your comments make much more sense. :angel:

[vnx205]

As I started reading and came across words like "zealotry" and a wish that people were not so one eyed, I thought for a moment, I was still reading the "Does God Exist?" thread. :p

I guess we all interpret what we read through the filter of our own beliefs and prejudices. Without taking the trouble to look back over a number of posts on the subject to provide evidence, I would have argued that there may be a few "You must modify your vehicle" posts and a few " You must not modify your vehicle" posts, but that the overwhelming majority are more like " You might consider these mods" and "Are you sure you need those mods?".

I hadn't formed the impression that there were two warring camps; unlike the PC v Mac, believers v atheists, Labor v Lib v Greens camps. :)

I think what appears as "zealotry" is often nothing more than a consequence of most posts being brief and therefore appearing blunt, tactless or even aggressive. That is an occupational hazard of posting on forums; that the tone of your post will frequently be incorrectly interpreted.

All I had ever noticed were a few posts that appeared to me to be from people who were concerned that some newcomer may have been misled into thinking that her Land Rover will be useless unless she spends thousands of dollars on mods that she has heard about or seen in glossy magazines.

So the answer is that I believe you are misreading the situation. There is no war. I could probably start one though if you want to extend the life of this thread. :p

[vnx205]

Let me guess; all the members who thanked the OP have modified vehicles. Am I right? :) :)


http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/16/2005444/Mods.jpg

[Psimpson7]

Let me guess; all the members who thanked the OP have modified vehicles. Am I right? :) :)




You should probably thank that post too... Not sure if you have noticed, but some one seems to have bolted a house on the back of your Defender!

Surely you cant need that ;):D After all, apparently, standard is best

[disco_thrasher]

. There is no war. I could probably start one though if you want to extend the life of this thread. :p

"OHHHHHHHHHHH I am so scared lets start a war" [FishSlap]



sounds like a pityfull threat ;)

we are up for disccussion here not war as you put it.

cheers Kelvin

WHO RECKONS I AM GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR THIS POST

[vnx205]

You should probably thank that post too... Not sure if you have noticed, but some one seems to have bolted a house on the back of your Defender!

Surely you cant need that ;):D After all, apparently, standard is best

:D:D:D

And there I was thinking that I had carefully avoided declaring which side of the "mods v no mods debate" I was on. :)

I suppose I should come clean.

In addition to the mod that you have been sufficiently observant to spot, I have also fitted LEDs behind the gauges and the clock because the original bulbs were so dim that I had to concentrate to read them at night.

I have also fitted Bilsteins because when I needed to replace the original shocks I could get a set from the USA for about $500 including freight.

I also have a light brush bar (bull bar would be an exaggeration and is no longer politically correct) to protect the vehicle from small branches, large birds and small animals. :)

The previous owner had fitted MaxiDrive rear axles (so that mod is not my fault).

There, I feel a lot better now that I have "come out of the closet". :p

[vnx205]

"OHHHHHHHHHHH I am so scared lets start a war" [FishSlap]



sounds like a pityfull threat ;)

we are up for disccussion here not war as you put it.

cheers Kelvin

WHO RECKONS I AM GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR THIS POST

:D

I am sure that like me, you are joking, because if you weren't it would have been yet another example of the way in which the tone or the intent of a post on a forum can so easily be misunderstood. I was almost worried that my joke about a war had fallen flat.

Would you like the war to be about modifications, about whether there are such things as anti-mod zealots or about why posts on forums are so easily and so regularly misinterpreted? :D:D:D

Sorry I couldn't get your joke at the end about getting into trouble to reproduce in the quote. The white background of the quoted section has changed it from being heavily disguised to completely invisible. :)

[stevo68]

err, i cannot recall two many threads where members suggest that mod is not required, definately not a daily comment.......maybe i need to read threads more closely I think Ben was referring moreso to "general population" as opposed to our little neck of the woods :).

As for mods......a) it makes Smokey look darn cool and gives me a little wood everytime the roller door goes up and this big beautiful bar with spotties and a winch stares back at me....sssccchhhhaaaawwwwiiiinnnggggggg :cool: b) the main purpose is the same as to why we insure our cars.......just in case......in my case. I want to travel further and more remotely...tackle tracks etc and the better modded Smokey is the better I will tackle those adventures and more safely for myself and the family.

Plus I have driven Smokey stock standard and compared to now..Smokey struggled stock in some places that new Smokey just cruises,

Regards

Stevo

[dungarover]

This is why I am reluctant to offer advice on forums these days, you always get some know-it-all smart arse ranting and raving 'you can't do this' and 'can't do that', who died and made them Land Rover king :2up::2up::2up:

I mod my Rangie to suit the driving, not to make a fashion statement or say 'look at me' like some people do. My Rangie has dents, scrapes and is used as hard as possible and I wear them with pride, I don't own **** trucks :mad:

As usual, most of these people have **** all idea what they're on about. Maybe they should just **** off and MYOFB , I keep my nose out of there intrest, keep yours out of mine :mad::mad::mad::mad:

INSERT EXPLETIVES IN BIG RED LETTERS HERE :D:D:D

Trav

[disco_thrasher]

Smokeys cool :cool: i reckon

Trav love your work

[Disco44]

err, i cannot recall two many threads where members suggest that mod is not required, definately not a daily comment.......maybe i need to read threads more closely

I'm with you Weeds,I was surprised too.I think the writer was referring to AULRO I have not seen many and I log on daily.

[incisor]

The Extreme Zone - Australian Land Rover Owners (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/extreme-zone/)

somewhere to play with mods :p

[Grimace]

The Extreme Zone - Australian Land Rover Owners (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/extreme-zone/)

somewhere to play with mods :p


:D:D:D

[DRanged]

Bring it on I say

I just put wider super agressive tyres on my ride on mower:cool:. I,ll take on any standard ride ons:p

Mods are good when used correctly.

Justin

[The ho har's]

Sorry. Just poking my nose through the door here and heard this. :)

To be honest, when I read the thread title I thought you were about to start promoting a new kind of anarchy for AULRO in which there would be no Inc., etc. :(

But your comments make much more sense. :angel:

:Rolling::Rolling:

Mrs hh:angel:

[isuzurover]

The Extreme Zone - Australian Land Rover Owners (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/extreme-zone/)

somewhere to play with mods :p

Thanks Inc!

However my comment was more to do with people asking about mods like:
255s (or even 235s for a series)
Snorkels
Lockers/tts
etc.

None of these would I class as in any way "extreme". Hell - neither of my landies would be classified as extreme either.

It would be a shame if we all have to go and hide in the naughty (extreme) corner (sub-forum), just because we wish to talk about non-standard modifications...

Btw - as Steveo68 correctly interpreted, I wasn't directing any of this at GCLRO members.

[ramblingboy42]

I've got one in my hand Dave.....up ya bum, chum!

[stevo68]

Sorry, but spent about a milli second reading this thread.
Just the same old **ht:mad:
Time for a beer, cause l would rather be more constructive with my time. Geez...someone forgot to take their happy pills today :p.....oh and Stella number 3...here I come :D,

Regards

Stevo

[stevo68]

I've got one in my hand Dave.....up ya bum, chum! Think your in the wrong club mate......bolded part......be none of that round here ;), up ya possum....now that be different :twisted:,

Regards

Stevo

[rovercare]

I agree, I'm totally against vehicle modifications, they are best left as they come off the showroom floor:D

[dungarover]

After all, apparently, standard is best

Standard sucks, end of ****ing story :twisted::twisted:

Trav

[NOZ]

Standard sucks, end of ****ing story :twisted::twisted:

Trav


Agreed Trav

[grover69]

I don't know , you wouldn't see any of my trucks modified:angel:
Mine are all the way they should have come from the factory

[Big Dog]

I should read this stuff more often
are you all telling me that all my work to put Benda back to showroom factory spec is wrong? WTF:mad:

[clubagreenie]

My name is Justin and it's been 4 weeks since my last mod.

Now you all say...

[CheekyD1]

I would just like to add 20c worth to this debate.
I don’t know about any of the previous speaker’s motivation, it’s sometimes difficult on a forum to tell satire from opinion, so you need to take many comments with a grain of salt.

Feel free to disagree with me.

Opinion
I find it disturbing that one section in a broader group such as the 4WD community would gang up and attempt to limit the freedom of another group.
We all should be on the same side. If modification to 4WD vehicles is outlawed, the same group of tyrants will then work to outlaw 4WD vehicles themselves.
You already pay an excess levy on Diesel because a group called the “Democrats” said you should not be driving Toorak Tractors.
That same group of tyrants posing as friends of the environment wanted Toorak Tractors banned outright.

Their logic was that most 4WD vehicles never leave the tarmac and therefore are a waist of resources, well I for one am proud that I prove them incorrect on a regular basis. What’s more I show my family more Nature and Environment during our adventures than most of the so called environmentalists gets to look at in a lifetime.

To those who wish to complain about my Modified Rover and carp on about it not being Standard, put yours in Low and follow me sunshine.

What’s more if she was still standard she would have moved on to the Happy 4WD Park in the sky by now, probably recycled into some dreary Korean buzz box.

When the Lockers were installed the original diff centers were very much Worn Out. This alone would have killed off the old girl. So adding new locking diff centers saved the car and the energy which would have been consumed turning it into a Buzz Box with a life expectancy of only a 100,000 kms.

So you see Modifying a vehicle saves the environment.

Did you spot where opinion stopped and satire began ?. :cool: