HID lights

[portafilter]

Hi anyone out there upgraded their puma lights to hid yet?.
How was/is it and was it reasonably straight forward?
Justin

[draymond]

I did, and it is.....

H4 Kits usually have a plug that operates the input for the lighting relay in the kit, and they draw the power straight off the battery.

I pulled them out again and replaced them with JWSpeaker LED Headlamps.....

[Hymie]

Be careful, unless you have levelers and washers on the lights they will be unroadworthy.

[KarlB]

In Australia it is illegal to fit HID headlights unless you have automatic leveling and washers. If you fit them you need to be aware of the possible consequences in the event of a motor vehicle accident and to your insurance.

[dullbird]

In Australia it is illegal to fit HID headlights unless you have automatic leveling and washers. If you fit them you need to be aware of the possible consequences in the event of a motor vehicle accident and to your insurance.


defenders do have adjustable headlights just not automatic...I would say keep them on the most downward setting. not saying this would make it legal though

[rijidij]

I stand to be corrected, but I think it's only illegal to have HID on low beam without auto leveling and washers. High beam is ok.
You can get combo globes such as in this kit >>> hid H4/L 12v/35w (http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/335277416-free-shipping-AC-hid-H4-L-12v-35w-wholesalers.html) <<<

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/322.jpg

[KarlB]

defenders do have adjustable headlights just not automatic...I would say keep them on the most downward setting. not saying this would make it legal though

Washers are a more important issue than leveling as dirty lens can cause the light to scatter significantly and be quite dazzling. The situation is compounded if the globes are simply replaced with HID inserts as these apparently have different light emission points for which the reflectors and the lens are not designed. I think the washers have to be high pressure.

The simplest way to get significant light improvement is to install a Traxide wiring loom (or equivalent) and/or replace the standard globes with something like Phillips X-treme Power or Osram Night Breaker globes which put out about 80% more light.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[KarlB]

I stand to be corrected, but I think it's only illegal to have HID on low beam without auto leveling and washers. High beam is ok.
You can get combo globes such as in this kit >>> hid H4/L 12v/35w (http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/335277416-free-shipping-AC-hid-H4-L-12v-35w-wholesalers.html) <<<

Cheers, Murray



I don't want to get too deep into this stuff but ADR 75, General Specification 6.1 states:

6.1 The headlamp cleaner shall be designed and constructed to clean those parts of the light-emitting surface of the headlamp which distribute the passing beam and the driving beam so that at least the cleaning effect specified in paragraph 7 below is achieved.

Seems pretty clear to me that it is illegal to have any HID headlight beam without washers.

There is quite a good discussion of this stuff by a fellow called TERRA Operative on the Mobile Electronics Australia Forum at HID lights - Mobile Electronics Australia (http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/forums/index.php?/topic/539498-hid-lights/) if people want more detail.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[roverrescue]

Karl I thought you promised...
but whatever,
I wanna know more about these LED lamps from JW Speaker
A bit flash for my ol bush hack but at least stinking legislation doesnt rule on LED lighting at the moment! Give us a review Draymond. I was blown away by the light from some recently aquired via AULRO LED worklamps - and thought to myself - these are as good if not better than poxy halogens. Are they good? Price?

Steve

[JDNSW]

Karl I thought you promised...
but whatever,
I wanna know more about these LED lamps from JW Speaker
A bit flash for my ol bush hack but at least stinking legislation doesnt rule on LED lighting at the moment! Give us a review Draymond. I was blown away by the light from some recently aquired via AULRO LED worklamps - and thought to myself - these are as good if not better than poxy halogens. Are they good? Price?

Steve

Actually, it does not rule on HID lights either - it only talks about brightness, but the figure is one that covers all HID lights on the market, I believe. I have no idea whether it covers LED lights, although a bit of a search would probably find the numbers. Last time I thought about LED lights I looked at the price and lost interest before going any further, but I am sure they will come down - just don't know how far down they have come already.

John

[KarlB]

Karl I thought you promised...
but whatever,
I wanna know more about these LED lamps from JW Speaker
A bit flash for my ol bush hack but at least stinking legislation doesnt rule on LED lighting at the moment! Give us a review Draymond. I was blown away by the light from some recently aquired via AULRO LED worklamps - and thought to myself - these are as good if not better than poxy halogens. Are they good? Price?

Steve
I only promised about the 'W' word! :p

[one_iota]

Karl I thought you promised...
but whatever,
I wanna know more about these LED lamps from JW Speaker
A bit flash for my ol bush hack but at least stinking legislation doesnt rule on LED lighting at the moment! Give us a review Draymond. I was blown away by the light from some recently aquired via AULRO LED worklamps - and thought to myself - these are as good if not better than poxy halogens. Are they good? Price?

Steve


There was a thread a while back on these.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/111253-jw-speaker-model-8700-a.html

draymond needs to get back to us with a full report :mad::p;)

[draymond]

Hey Lads,

They are awesome.

Great beam pattern and light spread, far better than the original (well Clear Lens) SVX Headlamps.

Plug directly into the H4 connector and are perfectly legal as a direct replacement (E and DOT Marked).

Expensive option, but I think they're worth it.

Dave.

[isuzurover]

Here is the spec sheet for the JWspeaker LEDs
http://www.jwspeaker.com/products/headlights/model-8700-7-round.pdf

Look interesting, but (effective) output is only 650 lumens (low) and 760 (high) which seems quite low???

[VladTepes]

draymond what was the price ?

[draymond]

Here is the spec sheet for the JWspeaker LEDs
http://www.jwspeaker.com/products/headlights/model-8700-7-round.pdf

Look interesting, but (effective) output is only 650 lumens (low) and 760 (high) which seems quite low???

They certainly appear brighter than the Free Form halogens from the factory....

That could be down to Colour Temperature......

[dullbird]

Washers are a more important issue than leveling as dirty lens can cause the light to scatter significantly and be quite dazzling. The situation is compounded if the globes are simply replaced with HID inserts as these apparently have different light emission points for which the reflectors and the lens are not designed. I think the washers have to be high pressure.


The simplest way to get significant light improvement is to install a Traxide wiring loom (or equivalent) and/or replace the standard globes with something like Phillips X-treme Power or Osram Night Breaker globes which put out about 80% more light.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

You mean like I have had in my discovery for the last 4 years;)

[KarlB]

You mean like I have had in my discovery for the last 4 years;)
Well I don't know what you have in your Discovery Dullbird but if you have changed the light globes as I did, I am sure you found them a great improvement, as I did. I haven't upgraded the loom yet but that will follow when the warranty period passes. That is not to say the lights are as good as HIDs. They are not. But they are much better than the standard fitment, much cheaper than HIDs in the short term at least, and there is no question as to their legality.

Another consideration in this lighting issue is that better high beam lighting can be achieved by installing 'driving' or 'spot' lights. These are required to be wired into the high beam circuit (ie turn on the high beam and you have the option for the spotties to come on as well). The issue seems to me to be one of improving the lighting on low or dipped beam. Improvement to the low beam will not be achieved by use of the dual HID high beam - halogen low beam, approach, unless the halogen uses the same technology as the X-treme Power and Night Breaker globes.

Cheers
KarlB
:)