Child seat anchor points for Defender 130

[LandieMan]

Hi,

I've spent the last couple of hours reading the many threads on this topic and to be honest I'm really no further ahead as the rules seem to have changed over the period many of the posts cover.

We're selling our 1996 D130 Daul cab and a couple who are interested in buying it have children and need to be able to mount two child seats in the rear seats. Can someone please update the latest situation on the availablity of compliant solutions and/or suppliers that they have experience with that may be able to helpout. The couple are Sydney based so they'd come under the NSW rules.

Better still, if someone has a NSW compliant solution for a 1996 D130 that they no longer required and would consider selling, please send me a PM.

Cheers, LandieMan

[akelly]

Not much help, but I'm going through the same process on my new 130 right now. These dudes Restraints :: Australian Auto Fashions | Belmore Auto Conversions | Autoseat Conversions (http://home.exetel.com.au/belmoreauto/restraints.php) are investigating the options for NSW compliant restraints. I took my car there a week ago for them to have a look and haven't heard back yet - just called them up and expecting to hear something Monday or Tuesday.

I will update here once I find out. I do know that the solution used in Victoria cant be used in NSW (plates on the back of the cab) - at least thats what the RTA engineer dude told me.

Cheers,

Adam

[LandieMan]

Not much help, but I'm going through the same process on my new 130 right now. These dudes Restraints :: Australian Auto Fashions | Belmore Auto Conversions | Autoseat Conversions (http://home.exetel.com.au/belmoreauto/restraints.php) are investigating the options for NSW compliant restraints. I took my car there a week ago for them to have a look and haven't heard back yet - just called them up and expecting to hear something Monday or Tuesday.

I will update here once I find out. I do know that the solution used in Victoria cant be used in NSW (plates on the back of the cab) - at least thats what the RTA engineer dude told me.

Cheers,

Adam

Thanks Adam,

When you say "new" 130, how new? It's "kind-of" understandly that our 1996 D130 doesn't have them as times have changed, but surely Land Rover have a factory solution for more recent models.:(

Cheers, Landieman

[akelly]

Hey mate, its just new to me - a '99 model. Nothing different to yours though in terms of the inside or fitting restraints. AFAIK there is no "factory" option for child restraints in a new Puma defender either.

I investigated a few options, including the one for other crew cab vehicles (a plate that runs vertically down the back window) but because of the alloy body these options cant be "engineered" for use on the landy.

Cheers,

Adam

[tieds]

I've had three child seat restraints installed in my 110 by Karlisles (Karlisle's (http://www.karlisles.com.au/)). Reasonably happy with the job, no protruding bars, just plates engineered into rear of seats, with engineers certificate (although I still havn't recieved the blue slip from the RTA)
They may do 90's.
Hi,

I've spent the last couple of hours reading the many threads on this topic and to be honest I'm really no further ahead as the rules seem to have changed over the period many of the posts cover.

We're selling our 1996 D130 Daul cab and a couple who are interested in buying it have children and need to be able to mount two child seats in the rear seats. Can someone please update the latest situation on the availablity of compliant solutions and/or suppliers that they have experience with that may be able to helpout. The couple are Sydney based so they'd come under the NSW rules.

Better still, if someone has a NSW compliant solution for a 1996 D130 that they no longer required and would consider selling, please send me a PM.

Cheers, LandieMan

[akelly]

I was told by the RTA that in NSW you must be able to access the attachment point from outside the car with the door open (or something along these lines) - this would rule out a back-of-seat point for a 130.

The guys who looked at mine want to put the attachment under the seat (can access that easily from outside the car with the door open) and run the tether around a CRAB bar (tautology? maybe...) behind the top of the seat.

[Ryhoon]

Hi All,
I've recently bought my 99 defender 130 and am looking for a solution now. i am meeting with an auto engineer on tuesday to look at some options. He estimates his costs will be around $1200.00 and i should be able to do the work myself. Pretty expensive restraint points but i'd rather know that they will be right if we had an accident. let you know how i go.
Ryan

[AFK]

Hi,
Have a look at Automotive Restraint Fitters - Seat Belt Accessories - Child Car Seats - Baby Car Seats - TOTLOK - Home (http://arfa.com.au/) they sell the C.R.A.B bar which I think is an options for you.
Cheers,
AFK

*46 - C.R.A.B. UNIT -
C.R.A.B. unit - 1340mm long, Med 1140mm, short 1060mm

[86mud]

My 1998 130 has 3 child mounting points across the back which are QLD Dept of Transport approved.

The two outer seats have mounts bolted to the vertical bars that sit behind the seat. The middle seat has a mounting point through the bulkhead and is plated on the under side with a section of 5mm steel plate.

See picture. This is not my truck, but you can see the black steel supports that can be simply drilled about half way up and the child anchor point can be bolted to this (using HT bolts, nyloc nuts). For the middle seat. I just have an anchor point drilled through the flat section of panel at the base of the rear bulkhead.

Cheers
Andrew

[zwitter]

Hi
I have 1996 defender 130 and 3 kids. I exhausted all the options 6 years back and no one would certify mounts in NSW. Since then the rules changed so you need to be able to undo the clip from without tools while the child is in the seat. Ie needs to be in clear view etc.
Due to lack of space behind seats and on mine seat back held by bolts there was no solution.

Several engineers told me what was strong enough for the safety of my kids and suggested thats what to do and say it was there when I bought it.
I have a solid aluminium bar 20mm x 50mm bolted to the vertical steel frames behind the seat. Very secure. I have a safety hammer with seatbelt webbing cutter handy incase need to get the kids out in emergency

I have a friend with another brand dual cab and the thing fitted to his as approved makes the seat useless for adults. CRAB bars dont work in 130s as the mount points not there as they are corner windows.

As the kids turn 7 they no longer require the tethered seats. So still 2 years to go for me. Next problem is when last child gets out of tethered seat I want a lap/ sash belt in the centre. I am looking at seats with integral belts to replace the whole back seat. Often called van seats they can have child seat mounts too.

Regards
James

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[Ryhoon]

Well i've met with the engineer (i should mention i'm in nsw) and he feels we can strenghten the steel section that runs below the rear window. the steel vertical angles that attach at the floor attach to this at the top. this would give points near the top of the rear seat that are accesible without having to move the seat forward. he is still doing the caculations and will get back to me this week.
a side point is when they do any engineering they are also required to check the dimensions of the vehicle which will include wheel track distance. Mine is supposed to be 1525mm standard with a 25mm extra allowance bringing it to 1550mm. mine is 1560mm:( it has got 16x8 king wheels and the offset must be wrong.
Have to put the standards back on to get the certification done.
total cost for the engineer will be $990 inc gst
I'll post some photo's of the work if this option works well.
Ryan

[ThoBar]

How did you go with this?

Has anyone done this with a 130 in WA?

[dinkles]

I have just been through this drama of fitting 2 approved child restraint points to the rear cab section of our MY11 CC HCPU.
When I have time over the weekend, I will attempt to post some photos on here for anyone that is interested.
When purchasing the vehicle, we didn't even think of anchor points, as I thought having rear seats that it wouldn't be an issue. Otherwise , I couldn't be happier with the vehicle, she does everything we need her to do .

This issue of the lack of restraint points in the Landy is not isolated to the make , other vehicle makes suffer from this also.

[rick130]

[snip]

a side point is when they do any engineering they are also required to check the dimensions of the vehicle which will include wheel track distance. Mine is supposed to be 1525mm standard with a 25mm extra allowance bringing it to 1550mm. mine is 1560mm:( it has got 16x8 king wheels and the offset must be wrong.
Have to put the standards back on to get the certification done.
total cost for the engineer will be $990 inc gst
I'll post some photo's of the work if this option works well.
Ryan

The funny thing is that NSW once upon a time allowed 50mm extra track width for beam axle 4WD's, and the other states still do :mad:

[Leyland1980]

I have just had a "solution" fabricatied to provide 3 child restraints for a double cab 110 (2004) I imagine that the same solution would work for a 130. I have not had it inspected yet but it was designed in discussion with a QLD engineer. I will let you kow how I get on and post photos soon.

Cheers

John

[Ryhoon]

Here are some photo's of my engineer approved solution for 3 child restraint points in my 99 Defender 130. The Material is 1.5 mm zincaneal sheet. There are 2 parts to this. one is an L shaped piece and the other is just flat. these are used to sandwich the existing steel section below the rear window.
This is fixed with M6 high tensile bolts at 75mm centres each side of each restraint point and bolts at each end and at a max of 300mm centres throughout.
I have yet to get the final paperwork done (that's the expen$ive bit) but will do when i have the cash.
Here are some photo's of my job.
I'm still trying to work out how to attach photo's here so i hope these turn out ok.

[Leyland1980]

I have just had a "solution" fabricatied to provide 3 child restraints for a double cab 110 (2004) I imagine that the same solution would work for a 130. I have not had it inspected yet but it was designed in discussion with a QLD engineer. I will let you kow how I get on and post photos soon.

Cheers

John

My inspection is today - fingers crossed

[Leyland1980]

All signed off and good to go, shouldn't have worried at all.

Still no photos yet.

[130]

Hi
Several engineers told me what was strong enough for the safety of my kids and suggested thats what to do and say it was there when I bought it.

Hi everyone, newbie here :)

My s/h 130 Puma has had two anchor points added consisting of two plates of steel sandwiching the aluminum body. The anchor points can be reached from behind/under the seat.

What are the ramifications for not having a engineers certificate fort a child anchor point? Does it affect CTP insurance claims?

The vehicle was purchased from interstate and had to have a blue slip issued. No defects were noted at this inspection (although the inspectors may not have seen the anchor points)

Many thanks in advance for advice :)

[fitchaj]

G'day all. I have a 2009 D130 and was wondering which sort of engineers you were going to for installation? I am in Cairns, so I don't suppose anybody knows an engineer up here who can do it?


Cheers!

[Leyland1980]

Finally some photos of my child restraints.

Sorry about the quality of the pics, I hope they are useful.

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