td5 on dyno

[c.h.i.e.f]

came across this video on youtube woudered if anyone else has pushed there td5 this hard? :D nice looking components used on the motor too just thought it was worth a watch !
Twisted Defender 90 TD5 On the rolling road - YouTube

[stig0000]

when mine was on the dyno it diffnetly dident do this :angel: how good dose it look

[muddys1]

think he needs an exhaust temp gauge, was i reading the last bit right ;638 bhp @3000 something rpm

cheers
muddy

[Psimpson7]

no it was 63.8bhp lost in drag. 233odd bhp.

[Benny_IIA]

it looks like a gt22v from a sprinter.

common upgrade for td5 owners looking for a vnt. or if you are lazy and dont mid spending a bit more. just get a tt vnt bolt on

[c.h.i.e.f]

think he needs an exhaust temp gauge, was i reading the last bit right ;638 bhp @3000 something rpm

cheers
muddy

i was also wondering what egt's would be :eek:

[c.h.i.e.f]

it looks like a gt22v from a sprinter.

common upgrade for td5 owners looking for a vnt. or if you are lazy and dont mid spending a bit more. just get a tt vnt bolt on

it also has some different style manifold by the looks of it...at first glance i thought it might be a borg warner vnt from there new range of vnt's....bush65 has just put some info up about them recently its worth having a squiz at the article if you get a chance benny...

[Benny_IIA]

it also has some different style manifold by the looks of it...at first glance i thought it might be a borg warner vnt from there new range of vnt's....bush65 has just put some info up about them recently its worth having a squiz at the article if you get a chance benny...


yeah i did they look the goods.


it looks like a steam pipe manifold.

[Nera Donna]

Looks to be a ‘Twisted Performance’ tuning job. They make some incredible power/performance claims on their web site.
It might be so in the UK, but different fuels, colder ambient temperatures and a less dusty environment all might work over there. Over here in Oz, I’m not so sure. You never know I could be wrong? ;)

[Bush65]

Maybe that TD5 is not pushed so hard!

Have a look at Jeemu's dyno run for his 529 HP, 2.5 litre, OM605 Merc diesel.

Thread here on 4btswaps (http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?14238-OM605-Super-Turbo-engine)

[isuzurover]

Maybe that TD5 is not pushed so hard!

Have a look at Jeemu's dyno run for his 529 HP, 2.5 litre, OM605 Merc diesel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd-dOTFNdHQ).

Thread here on 4btswaps (http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?14238-OM605-Super-Turbo-engine)

Amazing! And all from an indirect injection diesel with no electronics!

[Bush65]

I consider the TD5 to be the best engine Land Rover have ever designed and manufactured - despite some silly issues. The have some good engineering and they should be capable of pretty good performance on road.

However building a small displacement engine for extreme road performance involves much wasted effort and expence for a vehicle intended for much offroad use.

[PAT303]

Whoa hold on,first Wagoo and now Bush65 is singing the praises of the too small capacity full of electronic's that can't be fixed in the bush Td5.Has someone put something in the water?. Pat

[c.h.i.e.f]

wow was there any boost and egt figures for that car bush? i came across this from america, you may have already came across it on one of your diesel forums but looks right up your alley (motor wise that is :D)....


"DIESEL ROD" FINISHED ROD! - YouTube

[dswatts]

Sweeeeet:twisted:

[muddys1]

wasn't the TD5 a BMW engine ????

muddy

[Psimpson7]

no!

[Blknight.aus]

wasn't the TD5 a BMW engine ????

muddy

landrover designed it BMW put the polish on.

[c.h.i.e.f]

Well yes and no you see bmw is actually vw which is mercedes which is actually jaguar which is ford which is tata motors which is bentley/chrysler which is also chev which is actually holden but wait what came first chev or holden,jeep,dodge and kia which is also nissan,toyota,great wall,sanyong,mahindrah which is also sub company of ferrari etc etc etc
Now with all seriousness I think bmw helped design the motor for land rover and used similar designed motors in there own range but you will find the td5 motor land rover specific....i may be wrong would like to know more about it though

[c.h.i.e.f]

Just for everyone the above comment was mainly a rant that I felt was needed :D

[Disco_owner]

That Diesl Rod looks so Cool :D I like the Conrod hanging off the steering Rod . and the Bullet holes. in the back corner section .

[cal415]

Haha that diesel rod is crazy, check out this video of it
welderup Turbo Diesel Rat Rod Burnout - YouTube

[MR LSD]

wasn't the TD5 a BMW engine ????

muddy
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo:mad:

[stig0000]

Haha that diesel rod is crazy, check out this video of it
welderup Turbo Diesel Rat Rod Burnout - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpjPIj1YF0M)


this thing is sick, i wana see it on the dyno

[Bush65]

Whoa hold on,first Wagoo and now Bush65 is singing the praises of the too small capacity full of electronic's that can't be fixed in the bush Td5.Has someone put something in the water?. Pat
Read my post again, without reading something else in between the lines. Remember also which other engines Land Rover has actually designed and manufactured, before the TD5 - those are the benchmarks I was referring to.

My point was (staying on topic with OP) that the TD5 was well engineered and should stand up to considerable power upgrade providing properly done without going to silly rpm.

The 300Tdi linage goes well back to much earlier engines, while the TD5 was a new design with a great deal of thought given to it - and a very few simple things that are not so good, as we all know.

[Bush65]

wow was there any boost and egt figures for that car bush? i came across this from america, you may have already came across it on one of your diesel forums but looks right up your alley (motor wise that is :D)....

Sorry I don't recall, but I did post a link to a long thread that has a lot of detail.

I'm well aware of that rat rod.


That Diesl Rod looks so Cool :D I like the Conrod hanging off the steering Rod . and the Bullet holes. in the back corner section .
I haven't looked at the build thread for a long time, but IIRC the conrod is the support for the steering column (not hanging off it.

Also check the (dummy) chain driven crank handle on the side.


Haha that diesel rod is crazy, check out this video of it
welderup Turbo Diesel Rat Rod Burnout - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpjPIj1YF0M)
Did you check out the videos of the other crazy stuff welderup has built - one that comes to mind is the caravan that does wheelies?

[c.h.i.e.f]

There is one somewhere on the net I think but I havnt looked at there videos for.awhile they also have a website with photos and info...there is a video of them injecting some description of gas into the compressor whilst at full boost on a dyno and the thing almost takes off and sounds like it reved way past what a diesel usually does :o

[c.h.i.e.f]

Bush65 I am asuming that the motor used in the rat rod is a 5.9L 6cyl cummins 6bt? Do you have any specs on it or know anything off the top of your head ?

[TonyC]

Bush65 I am asuming that the motor used in the rat rod is a 5.9L 6cyl cummins 6bt? Do you have any specs on it or know anything off the top of your head ?

Here is a link to another silly 5.9L Cummins.
Home of the World's First 7 Second Diesel Dragster (http://www.cumminsracing.com/)

Tony

[c.h.i.e.f]

why doesn't australia have these sort of things ? :( oh that's right there's 2 reasons (maybe alot more) 1.there's to many do-gooders out there that are fun nazi's and 2.australia has no industries like america and other countrys do for these sort of things! its a shame really....

[Bush65]

There is one somewhere on the net I think but I havnt looked at there videos for.awhile they also have a website with photos and info...there is a video of them injecting some description of gas into the compressor whilst at full boost on a dyno and the thing almost takes off and sounds like it reved way past what a diesel usually does :o
Probably nitrous.


Bush65 I am asuming that the motor used in the rat rod is a 5.9L 6cyl cummins 6bt? Do you have any specs on it or know anything off the top of your head ?
From memory it is a 3.9 litre, 4 cyl, cummins 4BT. Welderup posted his build thread on a 4BT (not 6BT) forum.

[Bush65]

Bush65 I am asuming that the motor used in the rat rod is a 5.9L 6cyl cummins 6bt? Do you have any specs on it or know anything off the top of your head ?


Probably nitrous.


From memory it is a 3.9 litre, 4 cyl, cummins 4BT. Welderup posted his build thread on a 4BT (not 6BT) forum.
Correction to my previous post:
Def nitrous

Not 3.9 litre 4cyl, but 5.9 litre 6 cyl.

[Josh_WA]

That twisted td5 is crazy...they have all the goodies.

I have the full gale force package on my 110 which is different to this as retains factory turbo as it was importeted from the UK. It makes such a difference as it is unlike any other landy I've ever driven it is just effortless but when u put your foot down it just keeps pulling away....

The issues everyone raises about ambient temp and fuel quality have not had any adverse effects in over 50000kms yet fingers crossed :)

[Nera Donna]

That twisted td5 is crazy...they have all the goodies.

I have the full gale force package on my 110 which is different to this as retains factory turbo as it was importeted from the UK. It makes such a difference as it is unlike any other landy I've ever driven it is just effortless but when u put your foot down it just keeps pulling away....

The issues everyone raises about ambient temp and fuel quality have not had any adverse effects in over 50000kms yet fingers crossed :)

Thanks Josh,
Great to hear some feedback from someone who has actually gone out and done it. Gives me a renewed confidence and optimism with these products. I’ll defiantly be revisiting their website with a more open mind next time.
Onward and upward.
Cheers
Craig :thumbsup:

[c.h.i.e.f]

Your correct john welderup also have a 4bt twin turbo from what I can gather and its in another rat rod from memory but on the one discussed I asumed it was a 6cyl only by the number of injector rails...john do you recon the 4bt and 6bt are as strong as the 4bd1 etc etc?

[Natt]

There is a system out there..... this is cut and paste from the guy



i have tried it with a 50/50 blend of water and methanol and didnt really see a big power difference but the egt's went way down so it can get more diesel put into now :)


with just water the EGT sits on 590.. with methanol and water 480 holding it flat in top gear going up hill.


with the chip on and no water or anything the exhaust went up to 640 same test place :) power from the chip with custom tune is about 60% over standard but still need to do more tuning soon with the water injection

[Bush65]

Your correct john welderup also have a 4bt twin turbo from what I can gather and its in another rat rod from memory but on the one discussed I asumed it was a 6cyl only by the number of injector rails...john do you recon the 4bt and 6bt are as strong as the 4bd1 etc etc?
Those who push their 4/6BT's need to up the diameter of head studs to the stock dia of 4BD1 head bolts. When pushed further they also have kits to increase head studs even further.

They also increase the dia of main bearing cap bolts. When I ordered APR studs for my 4BD1T, I also wanted replacements for the mains but was told they don't make any that large (16mm dia) - so I assume 4/6BD's have smaller mains than that.

A 4BD1 will happily rev much higher than the 4BT.

[isuzurover]

Those who push their 4/6BT's need to up the diameter of head studs to the stock dia of 4BD1 head bolts. When pushed further they also have kits to increase head studs even further.

They also increase the dia of main bearing cap bolts. When I ordered APR studs for my 4BD1T, I also wanted replacements for the mains but was told they don't make any that large (16mm dia) - so I assume 4/6BD's have smaller mains than that.

A 4BD1 will happily rev much higher than the 4BT.

I would love to see a 6BD1T built up like some of these 6BTs... :D