Maxidrive recovery points

[jasonedu]

Have been digging around a few days for some suitable recovery points for the front of a Puma 130. The only option I have found so far are these from MR Automotive (made by maxidrive).

I gave them a call and the person I spoke to had no idea if they were rated or not. Anyone know if they are suitable and rated as recovery points?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/09/894.jpg

[KarlB]

These recovery fixings have been discussed on the forum before (see http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/117980-puma-recovery-points.html). Personally, I think they are dangerous and would not go near them. I suggest you have a look at a pair of Jate Rings. They replace the lashing eyes and use the same holes in the chassis. The original forged ones are supposedly the best. They should be used in pairs with a bridle.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[jasonedu]

oh boy - recovery points are a can of worms and I don't think I have read anywhere a definitive way to go. Its very poor they leave the factory without anything in place.

How are the (unrated?!) Jate Rings fitted? From what I understand they would go through the bottom hole circled below. Not sure this would work with an ARB bullbar would it?

I assume the maxidrive ones would go through both bolts circled.

Are there other alternatives that can be recommend for the front?

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4708/p1030738p.jpg

[KarlB]

Your circled locations are correct. Jate Rings are 'unrated' like much military equipment but I understand that unofficially they are rated at 8 tons. They are like very large D shackles with the 'bolt' passing through the chassis leaving the curved part straddling the chassis. They look like this:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Slightly modified versions are available that allow for steering guard attachments etc. They look like this:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

There are various flat bar welded versions of unknown quality like this example:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/611.jpg

And this interesting version from South Africa:


http://www.landyspares.co.za/pictures/attachpt1s.jpg

http://www.landyspares.co.za/pictures/attachpt2.jpg

The obvious question is, does your ARB bullbar not have recover points? Certainly winch bars usually have them to facilitate double line winching.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Psimpson7]

Those South Affrican yellow ones look really terrible! :eek:

[KarlB]

Those South Affrican yellow ones look really terrible! :eek:

Details about them from here: Recovery Points (http://www.landyspares.co.za/files/accessories.htm)

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[jasonedu]

Ahh great i think the penny has just dropped - sorry it is obvious but my mind was not there. My previous 4wd had a hook underneath so was not even looking for anything on the bullbar.

Can I confirm this is where I should be recovering from?


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[KarlB]

Yes. Most definitely. And where it is possible use a bridle to spread the load.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Beckford]

I have fitted the Maxidrive recovery points to the front of my Defender. (I posted the pictures in the other thread.) The people from MR Automotive said that they must be used with a bridle (equalizer) strap. Issues have been raised regarding the configuration of two bolts creating a pivot point, which I plan to talk to an engineer mate about next time I see him.

I am now saving up for the OEM Landrover bar and Warn Winch, in the 07 Defender accessory catalogue, which has recovery points on it. However I have also been told by a few people that you should not recover off a bull bar.

Where can you buy Jate Rings from in Australia?

[KarlB]

I have fitted the Maxidrive recovery points to the front of my Defender. (I posted the pictures in the other thread.) The people from MR Automotive said that they must be used with a bridle (equalizer) strap. Issues have been raised regarding the configuration of two bolts creating a pivot point, which I plan to talk to an engineer mate about next time I see him.

I am now saving up for the OEM Landrover bar and Warn Winch, in the 07 Defender accessory catalogue, which has recovery points on it. However I have also been told by a few people that you should not recover off a bull bar.

Where can you buy Jate Rings from in Australia?

The OEM winch-bar and winch are expensive. The winch-bar is made for Land Rover by Mantec (see http://www.mantec.co.uk/ (http://www.mantec.co.uk/)). You could import a winch-bar from them at a considerable cost saving and then choose your winch of choice. Mantec offer a range of winch-bars to suit different winches. That said, when I bought my D90 last year, I got the OEM winch, winch-bar and A-bar. The recovery points on the bar are inline with the chassis rails and any load would be directly back to the chassis.

As for Jate Rings (Part No. RRC3237) in Australia, there are (non-original)welded ones from Land Rover Tuning ($110 pair) (see http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=jate&x=21&y=11 (http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/shop/catalogsearch/result/?q=jate&x=21&y=11)) and original ones from Les Richmond Automotive ($86 each) (see Les Richmond Automotive (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/)). They would certainly be cheaper to import (do a Google search on the Part No. to find suppliers). They are often listed on UK Ebay (eBay - one of the UK's largest shopping destinations (http://www.ebay.co.uk/)).

Cheers
KarlB

[newhue]

Ahh great i think the penny has just dropped - sorry it is obvious but my mind was not there. My previous 4wd had a hook underneath so was not even looking for anything on the bullbar.

Can I confirm this is where I should be recovering from?


http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4126/p1030740w.jpg

Check with ARB if their bull bar holes are recovery points, as dumb at it is someone on here found ARB have some assuming name for them, but won't call them rated recovery points.
It is odd LR like to think of themselves as making the best 4x4, but don't include recovery points in manufacturing.

I followed weeds approach. Fitted rated hooks like whats on old landcruisers. On either side of the chassis I used the lower rear manufactured holes like you have previously circled, and drilled anther hole further back fitting crush tube in the chassis while tightening up. I had to use longer high tensile bolts, but replaced LR's 8mm with 10 mm, which fit the factory hole properley. The hooks are commonly available, I got mine from Terrain Tamer for about $18 each.

[jasonedu]

Check with ARB if their bull bar holes are recovery points, as dumb at it is someone on here found ARB have some assuming name for them, but won't call them rated recovery points.
It is odd LR like to think of themselves as making the best 4x4, but don't include recovery points in manufacturing.

I followed weeds approach. Fitted rated hooks like whats on old landcruisers. On either side of the chassis I used the lower rear manufactured holes like you have previously circled, and drilled anther hole further back fitting crush tube in the chassis while tightening up. I had to use longer high tensile bolts, but replaced LR's 8mm with 10 mm, which fit the factory hole properley. The hooks are commonly available, I got mine from Terrain Tamer for about $18 each.

Yeah I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would pipe up on this one. Every solution on offer is open to criticism and I think on a 4wd that is pretty poor.

I gave ARB a ring this morning to specifically ask them about the bar. After a bit of asking around the shop they decided they were just points for the high lift jack.

But then was just reading through the old thread on the "new" bar (and thinking to myself that it looks like mine and what was the difference :eek:) that has just re-surfaced and notice ARB say on their website "Integrates durable tow points in the Hi-Lift jack recesses".

I read tow point to mean a butt covering name for a recovery point. I have two so will spread the load with a bridle.

BTW I have read issues fitting jate rings with ARB bars. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

[jasonedu]

I have fitted the Maxidrive recovery points to the front of my Defender. (I posted the pictures in the other thread.) The people from MR Automotive said that they must be used with a bridle (equalizer) strap. Issues have been raised regarding the configuration of two bolts creating a pivot point, which I plan to talk to an engineer mate about next time I see him.

I am now saving up for the OEM Landrover bar and Warn Winch, in the 07 Defender accessory catalogue, which has recovery points on it. However I have also been told by a few people that you should not recover off a bull bar.

Where can you buy Jate Rings from in Australia?

I am not sure I understand this pivot problem. If all the force is on the bottom bolt then you are in the same position as a jate ring arn't you where one bolt is also taking all the load?

[KarlB]

I am not sure I understand this pivot problem. If all the force is on the bottom bolt then you are in the same position as a jate ring arn't you where one bolt is also taking all the load?

With a Jate Ring the load is on both ends of the bolt so the load is spread to both sides of the chassis box section. With the Maxidrive brackets the load is largely on one side of the chassis rail box section. Also, because they project down some distance, they are acting as a lever, increasing the load on the chassis.

[Beckford]

The OEM winch-bar and winch are expensive.

Thanks for your warning about the cost of the OEM bar. I had a re-think and purchased the attached bar from the Modern Motors Dungog stand at the NSW Landrover Expo yesterday. The cardboard box did not survive the deluge.

How long it will sit around in my shed while I catch up on my fencing and mowing chores is unknown.....

[VladTepes]

I got jate rings of the flat bar type in the hot on the previous page rom a mob called "outback ideas" and had hem on a previous Defender. I reckon they were pretty good.