D4 3.0 SE Global Opening / Closing

[outasight]

Hi all,

Got the new D4 SE & read about Global Opening & Global Closing in the owners manual.

Tried the opening & it works - all windows open!

Tried closing, but cannot get the windows to close at all :mad:

Obviously I'll get the dealer to look at it, but has everyone or anyone else used this, tested it, or had similar problems?

Regards,

Les.

[stig0000]

they go down but not up, safty resions,, if you got a my11 onwards im sure if i remeber correct;)

[Jamwal]

I continuously press the lock button on the door handle and I get global closing on my my11 v8. Global opening is with the remote.
Regards.

[paddy119]

my 2010 2.7 D4 did not have global closing function enabled, but my dealership enabled it on their first service, however i have heard of some dealerships saying no, stating safety reasons, my dealership is hunter prestige motors, cheers pat

[stig0000]

I continuously press the lock button on the door handle and I get global closing on my my11 v8. Global opening is with the remote.
Regards.

ahh yes,, agreed,,

[Pedro_The_Swift]

omg stig, they let you loose in a V8?!?:eek::eek:

[outasight]

Thanks so far guys.

The SE D4 does not have any door buttons, I imagine that may be only the V8 & HSE or maybe if you ordered the proximity remote system option.

As for safety reasons, the windows, like all cars I know of, have a load sensing function which will cause them to stop or reverse if blocked.

I'll get them to enable it while they disable the auto function on the folding mirrors!

I did find one semi undocumented feature so far too.
When you use the headlight button on the remote, it first only lights the headlights, but if you keep pressing it will light the reverse lights as well.
I think the pressing sequence goes ... headlights, then off, headlights, headlights + reverse lights, then off.

Regards,

Les.

[p38arover]

I like the global closing on my P38A (although they don't call it that).

[Graeme]

while they disable the auto function on the folding mirrors!
After initially asking to have the folding mirrors on mine disabled, which couldn't be done by the dealer anyway, I've decided that using the folding mechanism might keep them working longer. I have now disabled the flashing blinkers on locking/unlocking and use the folding mirrors as the indication, being a more discrete indication.

[stig0000]

omg stig, they let you loose in a V8?!?:eek::eek:

lol,, iv driven every single new rover that meny times iv lost count :D

[outasight]

After initially asking to have the folding mirrors on mine disabled, which couldn't be done by the dealer anyway, I've decided that using the folding mechanism might keep them working longer. I have now disabled the flashing blinkers on locking/unlocking and use the folding mirrors as the indication, being a more discrete indication.

I thought it definitely was one of the options available for disablement Graeme? Again, it says this in the Owner's Manual, so I reckon they were telling you Porkies, or well it "couldn't be done" because they didn't know how, or didn't want to(lazy, etc.).

Also, don't you have a Faultmate anyway, or have I got you confused?:angel:

It's just with the towing mirrors we have, I can't have them folding, and I REALLY don't want more new mirrors:mad:

Regards,

Les.

[Graeme]

Sneigy tried but couldn't stop them folding, I think after having done the initial setup. Hmm, folding mirrors not good with towing mirrors attached! If I can get some time to use my van I'd want the same, now that you mention it. Yes, I have a Faultmate and I would expect to be able to stop them folding with that even if LR's tool couldn't do it.

[outasight]

Here's the relevant page as downloaded from Topix.
The important bit is the footnote at the end.

Regards,

Les.

[outasight]

And here is the part about Global Closing.(see attached)

Regards,

Les.

[outasight]

Confirmed again today that ULR & MLR cannot disable the automatic powerfold function of the mirrors by software, however MLR(Melbourne LR Port Melbourne) have been adding switches to each of the doors to disable the power to the fold motor & stop it that way. I will be getting more info on that tomorrow ...

Also confirmed that (reportedly)due to the Australian build criteria, they cannot enable the Global Close option ... :mad:

Regards,

Les.

[outasight]

One of Sniegy's lads at MLR disabled the mirror fold today whilst I waited(a temporary wire cut in the door) until I book it in to have some switches fitted in the tweeter housings so the powerfold can be switched on & off in each door.

:BigThumb:for Chris(Peirce I think?), the Service Manager at MLR after far less satisfactory service from their sister dealership ULR where I bought the car.

Regards,

Les.

[Graeme]

I'll have to check whether Faultmate can or cannot disable them and if it can, maybe someone with a multi-vehicle licence can make the changes for a small fee. Cutting wires and fitting switches seems a crude way to overcome a diagnostic tool software inadequacy. I suppose its fuse powers some important other feature but am surprised the mirror's electrical connector can't just be unplugged.

[Graeme]

Well, Faultmate doesn't show mirrors folding on locking as an option at all, so it seems that either LR forgot to put such a parameter in the CCF or the T4 programmers forgot to include the parameter and BBS have used T4 as their reference, so miss out too.

[outasight]

Graeme,

I've got the ciruit diagram & there's an awful lot of wiring to each mirror!
It is unfortunately the best/easiest way/option to break only the "fold in" wire. Also it allows an easy(& instant) enable/disable anytime, which software would not.

Aparently they have even tried changing the vehicles config file to another region, but even that cannot be done. The vehicle won't accept another region & is somehow hard coded for it's destination market.

Regards,

Les.

[Graeme]

T4 will often set a number of options by region whereas Faultmate can change each option individually so can do things that T4 can't. However when the option isn't listed at all, it seems to me that the option has not been implemented somewhere. I understand that the D4 CCF changed a lot from the D3 so its quite possible it hasn't been implemented properly yet, perhaps in T4 only but maybe in the CCF as well.

[kenl]

I had a quick look at this last weekend, and the only thing I could find on Faultmate that MIGHT work, is changing the setting that says wether or not power fold mirros are fitted. I didn't try the setting as I don't need it turned off, but it may work?

For those without a faultmate, changing settings and writing them back to the car, seeing if it does what you expected and then trying yet another setting, testing that etc takes a bit of time. So hence I don't really experiment too much, and there is no instruction book when it comes to faultmate and the software.

[Graeme]

I haven't spotted the power-fold mirrors fitted/not fitted entry. In which section is it?

The D3 has a relay to operate the power-fold motors. I assume the D4 also has one, which therefore could be removed as temporary fix although that then prevents manually folding them too.

[Graeme]

Aparently they have even tried changing the vehicles config file to another region, but even that cannot be done. The vehicle won't accept another region & is somehow hard coded for it's destination market.
I'll try changing the security region with faultmate when I get a chance. However I'd like to find for what countries (if any) that the mirrors don't fold on locking because there a several security region options. The security region parameter is the only locking/security parameter that doesn't seem to be self-explanatory in what it does.

[outasight]

From everything I've read so far on 3 worldwide forums, it seems LandRover forgot or didn't bother to include a programming option to stop just the locking fold & stillleave them foldable manually. It doesn't seem like anyone worldwide has been able to do what I'm after with software, and as I'd like the ability to fold them when neccessary(narrow roads/streets & city carparks), the I think the switch is a good option actually.

As for Global closing of all windows, it seems definitely US, AUS, & Canadian cars do NOT do it, but most apart from perhaps a few UK cars DO global close.
The rest of Europe cars seem to work ok too. Quite a few owners need to reset the one touch closing for the rear windows(kids anyone?:mad:), but it seems all of those guys have global close.
Global close clearly doesn't shut sunroofs for those with them though.

Thanks to Graeme & Kenl for even trying/looking for me/us.:BigThumb:

Regards,

Les.

[Graeme]

It doesn't seem like anyone worldwide has been able to do what I'm after with software, and as I'd like the ability to fold them when neccessary(narrow roads/streets & city carparks), the I think the switch is a good option actually.
I've come to the same conclusion - better to have the switch than no control.

[stig0000]

if any of you sum how become able to use SDD go to car con fig - active car session - change ccf - go down to powerfold mirrors, and serlect not fitted, ;);)

[kenl]

In the faultmate it's listed in EUCD file, in the 'eucd info' section.

Rear view mirrors - Outer ' retractable mirrors with integrated logic' is the default setting the other options are 'fitted' 'not fitted' and 'undefined'

regards ken

[Graeme]

Thanks Ken. I was sure I'd seen it before but missed it with my quick look at the EUCD file last night, being blinded by most EUCD file entries showing not fitted or similar notation. Maybe the option is specifically for the logic control rather than mirrors fitted or not fitted overall and that the switch control might still work, as indicated by stig0000.

[Graeme]

Changing the external mirrors setting to 'fitted' stops mine from folding when locking but also prevents folding by using the buttons. I've set mine back to the original setting whilst I consider alternatives.

[Graeme]

One of Sniegy's lads at MLR disabled the mirror fold today whilst I waited(a temporary wire cut in the door) until I book it in to have some switches fitted in the tweeter housings so the powerfold can be switched on & off in each door.

Can anyone provide advice on how to remove the tweeter housings? I now have switches to fit.

I haven't yet decided whether to mount the switches facing inwards so that they're basically invisible (but can still be operated) with the door closed or facing rearwards and trying to make them look part of the existing switches. As they will only need to be operated when fitting and removing towing mirrors, my inclination is to have them hidden from normal view which will be of benefit if their fitting isn't quite up to par, but will have to check what's behind the spots anyway.

[outasight]

Unfortunately I think it is a case of removing the door liners to remove the tweeter housing/covers, although I guess the door liners have to come off anyway to do the wiring!

What I did see the guys in the workshop doing was the bit where they remove the inside door handle "chrome" trims which cover two main liner screws. These chrome covers are a Royal PITA and extremely difficult to get off whilst remaining in one piece!

Sorry, but that's the only advice I can give here so far.

Can you post up a pic of the switches you got & where from Graeme?

Regards,

Les.

[Graeme]

I was hoping the plastic cover would just unclip.

Here's the $2.25 Jaycar SK0960 switch.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/763.jpg

[Graeme]

Changing the external mirrors setting to 'fitted' stops mine from folding when locking but also prevents folding by using the buttons. I've set mine back to the original setting whilst I consider alternatives.
I wanted to stop the mirrors from folding because they creaked when folding due to lack of lubrication, so set the mirror spec to "fitted" rather than "logic..." and set the blinkers to flash as the lock/unlock visual indication. Now the mirrors don't fold when locking but can still be folded with the buttons, even though I thought this didn't work initially. Its not a user-friendly solution especially if a Faultmate isn't on hand but as I haven't fitted switches yet, it may become my permanent solution.

[outasight]

I was hoping the plastic cover would just unclip.

Here's the $2.25 Jaycar SK0960 switch.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/763.jpg

I have since seen information that the tweeter corner cover does indeed just unclip, BUT I have not confirmed this by trying myself! Also, you would still need to get into the door liner possibly for the wire they modify.

Regards,

Les.

[Graeme]

It seems that the D3 tweeter housings unclip at the top from the door but they are securely attached to the door card so I suspect the D4's are too. Anyway, with my mirrors mechanisms getting full of dust I'd rather they not fold when the car is locked, even if that's only a couple of times a week.

[kenl]

Back on topic...

Today I tried the golbal closing... and it worked:o

It was definately not working from new and I have tried to activate it (faultmate) without success, but now it works??

This is my second D4 and on the first one it would not work until after the first service, and the software updates. I haven't had this one serviced yet, so it may be some sort of strange time delay/learning thing?

But like the first one it will not global close on the first press, you need to push the button twice and hold it down on the second press till the windows close...

Try it?

[Canaussie]

Mmmmm I have a 2.7 MY12 just picked up and my global opening does not work? Any suggestions?

[Robocop]

I have a 2011 D4 3.0 and enquired at the 1st service to turn on the global closing. The global opening works as it should.

They basically said no as it was a safety issue. I say that's BS unless you intend on locking your kids in the car. My 2010 Freelander 2 had global closing too.

I wasn't aware I could adjust the windows with my Faultmate, ill give it a go.

Rob