Puma software updates

[patclan]

All,

Do you know if software updates should be done at services if a new one is available or if only there is an issue.

Seemingly my 2010 defender is running 7H12-12K532-FCB and the latest is 7H12-12K532-FCE.

It has just been serviced so not sure why it is on the older one.

Do any off you know what you are running? Reason I ask is I am constantly having issues with the flat spots around 2500 revs and LR can't find a problem, just wondering why they would not have done the update if it is available.

cheers
Pat

[stig0000]

soooooo how do you no that urs isent upto date,??? were did you find that E is a update from B??

[Naks]

Seemingly my 2010 defender is running 7H12-12K532-FCB


Pat, how do you get this info out of the ECU?

[patclan]

Pat, how do you get this info out of the ECU?

I have an ATRIC from alive tuning (same as a BAS I think). I am not running on a remap at the moment as I have had ongoing issues, but when I sent Gary from alive the original map that is when I found out my software was old. But the device allows you to see what the current version is, so I checked it again when it came out from the dealers and still running the old one. Maybe we don't get the same updates they do in the UK.

[patclan]

soooooo how do you no that urs isent upto date,??? were did you find that E is a update from B??

Gary at alive tuning told me this was the latest.

[harp]

my first engine didn't have the flat spot. New engine does and I was told that it's a 'characteristic' of the engine!

[Naks]

But the device allows you to see what the current version is, so I checked it again when it came out from the dealers and still running the old one. Maybe we don't get the same updates they do in the UK.


Does it? I have the BAS device, will check it when I get my landy back from the LR.

[Lorryman100]

Does it? I have the BAS device, will check it when I get my landy back from the LR.


It is under the ECU info tab, second line down:

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/lorryman100/ECUInfo.jpg

This is an old pic as the software version should be FDE . As to the updates I am loathe for them to be installed as the landy is running sweet with version FDB and I ask the dealers not to update the ECU. Also remember that the ECU can only be upgraded a certain amount of times before it needs replacing/reflashing back to zero count, I believe it is around the 12 or 14 mark? This count is not affected by using a remap interface as this only alters the fuelling file and nothing else. The dealer then doesn't know if you have had a remapped file on as the count will still be the same as when it was recorded at the last software update.


HTH Brian.

[n plus one]

Yep, I'd be a little wary re updates myself.

My Puma was 'upgraded' prior to a recent 13k trip to WA. Was getting high 16s (ocasional 17) to the 100 towing 1.2 tonne. Worst economy I've ever seen...

New (not sure which one) program at next service (as part of the trip on the way home), economy returns to 12.4 :mad:

That first service cost me over $500 in additional diesel and sooted up the egr...

[Naks]

wow, mine's 7H12-12K532-BDD, is that not out of date?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R_PyBe3UeLg/TpVl6W4PohI/AAAAAAAAF7M/j9RQtjS-TDA/s1280/2011-10-12_07-13-31_189.jpg

[Lorryman100]

Naks, I think they are now at BDE on that software version. If the defender is running OK then you don't need to get every upgrade as it is released.

This picture shows the different software versions that are available for the EMS.
These are the previous software versions,
http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/lorryman100/sotwareems.jpg


Brian.

[Naks]

Naks, I think they are now at BDE on that software version.

Thanks Brian, but from that image it seems FDD is the latest one?

Mine has a flat spot in 6th gear, only noticeable when I put the BAS map on because it accentuates it.

[Lorryman100]

Naks, these are the software versions installed in the EMS at birth. So the first ones (2007 builds) produced will have had version 7H12-12K532-AAA. That software version with upgrades is now 7H12-12K532-AAD Your defender when built would originally have had version 7H12-12K532-BDA and has been updated to your current version of 7H12-12K532-BDD So the version 7H12-12K532-AAA installed is the firmware and the updated software is the last letter alphabetically, meaning A =version1 and D= the firmware has been updated to version 4.


Brian.

[muddys1]

I had an upgrade done on mine about a year ago , had flat spot in 2nd gear, remap during service, flat spot gone, fuel consumption up :(

dont know what version it is but will ask about in couple of weeks when its due again

muddy

[patclan]

I just got me new map from Gary the other day at Alive, he based it on the latest version (FCE), and it is running brilliant, getting around an extra 100k out of a tank, and have not been driving it conservativley. All round I am pretty happy with it now.

[Naks]

I just got me new map from Gary the other day at Alive, he based it on the latest version (FCE), and it is running brilliant, getting around an extra 100k out of a tank, and have not been driving it conservativley. All round I am pretty happy with it now.


Wow, that is quite a difference!

[patclan]

Wow, that is quite a difference!

yeah Naks, was getting around 550k per tank before and now hitting around 650 refilling about the same spot, not done accurate numbers yet but usually when we fill up it take around 65litre, will try and do it accurately next time I fill, problem is the wife forgets to reset the dial sometimes so have to make sure I fill up next time.

also have an allsports intercooler fitted so that probably helps also.

it was running pretty rubbish before so overall I am pretty happy now.

cheers
Patrick

[Naks]

yeah Naks, was getting around 550k per tank before and now hitting around 650 refilling about the same spot, not done accurate numbers yet but usually when we fill up it take around 65litre, will try and do it accurately next time I fill, problem is the wife forgets to reset the dial sometimes so have to make sure I fill up next time.

Ah, you have a 110, so your consumption is about on par with my 90's - around 10l/100km.

You use Fuelly | Share and Compare Your MPG (http://www.fuelly.com) to track your consumption - it's a nifty tool ;)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Question from interested interloper,,
Mate has 2011 90, has around 10k on it now,, and getting 10kpl,, will this improve with age?

[patclan]

Question from interested interloper,,
Mate has 2011 90, has around 10k on it now,, and getting 10kpl,, will this improve with age?

I found I got better fuel consumption around 30k, in fact 30k was the coming of age for my 110, it drove better and I was really happy with it, 30-60 were the good days, after the 60k service is when it consumption went up and it drove crap, this was the service they changed the egr also, since the 70k service it has been much better and now my new map accentuates the good instead of the bad.

I guess to answer your q, I would say it may improved, but 10k per litre would be ok for my 110, had to get my head round that equation way to early for my brain

[Loubrey]

Pedro,

The 90 is considerably lighter than a 110 and 11.5km/litre (8.7litre/100km) is not unheard of. You have to drive like a granny to achieve this though, early shifts and optimum revs in every gear etc.

The honest answer is that for a vehicle shaped like a fridge or a garden shed, peripheral influences like tyre size and engine management has much less to do with consumption than driving style. I can easily get 10.8km/litre on average, but the wife cannot get it better than 9.4km/litre in the same car. She usually gets a whole lot less than that though as she drives the 90 like it’s a soft top roadster! (I’ve already been told she’ll be getting a DC100/Defender 2 Sport! :eek:)

There has never been a Land Rover engine that forgave a heavy foot and the only way you’ll get better consumption is to develop a lot of patience and to adapt your driving style to suit.