Oil volume

[portafilter]

Does anyone know how much oil I'm going to need for a oil and filter change on a puma.
I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[dmdigital]

Between 6L and 7L for a service fill. Also worth noting the dipstick shows 2L between empty and full.

[87County]

from the castrol site:


Castrol Australia - NetLube (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/default.asp)

6.3 litres apparently


Lube Reference Guide Quick Search

LAND ROVER
Defender Series, 2.4 Litre Turbo Diesel, Man., 4x4 (2007-2011)
CRANKCASE
CASTROL EDGE SPORT 0W-40
Castrol EDGE Sport 0W-40 is Castrol's best. It is a full synthetic, SAE 0W-40, API SM/CF, ACEA A3/B3/B4/C2,C3 engine oil, formulated for high performance and prestige vehicles. The exceptional characteristics of this free flowing oil reduces friction and delivers ultimate wear protection and optimum engine performance right from start-up. Its formulation is extreme tested to deliver maximum horsepower up to 45% longer than other synthetic oils.
Service Refill Capacity: 6.3* Litres.
See note 499 below.
MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Refer to Dealer
Service Refill Capacity: 2.4 Litres.
See note 628 below.

[TonyC]

from the castrol site:


Castrol Australia - NetLube (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/default.asp)

6.3 litres apparently


Lube Reference Guide Quick Search

LAND ROVER
Defender Series, 2.4 Litre Turbo Diesel, Man., 4x4 (2007-2011)
CRANKCASE
CASTROL EDGE SPORT 0W-40
Castrol EDGE Sport 0W-40 is Castrol's best. It is a full synthetic, SAE 0W-40, API SM/CF, ACEA A3/B3/B4/C2,C3 engine oil, formulated for high performance and prestige vehicles. The exceptional characteristics of this free flowing oil reduces friction and delivers ultimate wear protection and optimum engine performance right from start-up. Its formulation is extreme tested to deliver maximum horsepower up to 45% longer than other synthetic oils.
Service Refill Capacity: 6.3* Litres.
See note 499 below.
MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Refer to Dealer
Service Refill Capacity: 2.4 Litres.
See note 628 below.

Well on that note can there be any other oil to use:D

Tony

[dmdigital]

Also you can use your wheel spanner to undo the cover on the oil filter (or a 27mm socket)

[Terrain Vehicles]

Topex says 7 litres of 5w/30 semi synthetic.

[LRO53]

Topex says 7 litres of 5w/30 semi synthetic.

Penrite HPR Diesel 5 meets

Ford M2C153-G/H - This one actually is a Fully Synthetic spec and the HPR Semi meets it!
M2C171-C
Ford M2C-913-B

One of those is for the TDV6 in the RR and Disco3/4.

So i gather it should be easily suitable for a 4 pot ford transit engine.

[Terrain Vehicles]

We have always used the same 5w/30 oil for all engines. I don't think you need to be too fussy over it. Just so long as it's good quality.

[justinc]

6.5 litres, we just use Either Helix 5w40, or Valvoline Synpower 5w40. Interesting Rick about the HPR5 Diesel, may look into that as it is cheaper than the full synthetics, can maybe use that in un chipped and quietly driven Td5's?

JC

[Loubrey]

We have always used the same 5w/30 oil for all engines. I don't think you need to be too fussy over it. Just so long as it's good quality.

Obviously not had the joy to deal with the organisation known as Land Rover Australia...

Considering the harsh conditions (ambient temperatures dust and continued off road work rate) we need to change oil often and use what LRA specify. Should you suffer an engine failure of any description they will take oil samples and if your oil is a fraction out of specification they will not honour warranty repair...

[pannawonica]

It was 40 centigrade out here yesterday and I was well loaded up. Being time poor at the moment I was pressing on a little, the air con was not working very well :(. You really do need to use the very best oil you can, the heat, work and dust has really to be experienced. It is not unusual to see 50+.I am still in warranty, however I'm sticking with what LRA recommmend when it expires.:D

[Loubrey]

Still spring in Karratha with a bit of an onshore wind, so we're only hitting 36C mid-afternoon...:D

Same with the warranty on my side. Next April the 90 will be 2 years old, so I've got a fair bit of warranty left (I'll never get to the kiliometer cut of before 3 years) and I'll be sticking to the prescribed stuff as well.

Share a bit of good fortune though... I just bought 20 liters of Castrol Magnatec Professional A5 5W30 (the proper Ford approved one) for $240.34 all in from the local bulk BP supplier!

[pannawonica]

Thanks for the info, I will call in now I know that its available. Is that the standard price or do you get trade discount ? I was wanting to aquire some as I'm in Perth in Jan and was going to pick up some genuine filters to have on hand. I'm not to confidant regarding 12/km service interval, so I get it done every six months. To me that sounds like a really good price.

[Loubrey]

Panna,

I was wearing my work shirt (yellow reflective with company logo), but I did pay with my personal credit card not a purchase order, so I might or might not have received some discount...

I'm with you on the 12000km service interval, just sounds too much. I'll at the very least be changing the engine oil on half that.

[Allan]

Getting a price in Perth next week througth my young bloke. He's in the industry so it will be interesting to see the price. It made a huge difference in the total price when he had his D3 auto serviced recently. My Puma ran out of warrenty yesterday so I now have free hand. After the last dealer service in Perth, all I can say is thank God. Between lost air filter box clips, bonnet stay rod clips broken, Allan stop! I Will report on the oil price during the week and yes I aggree that in the conditions we use these vehicles in the North West, oil change periods should be halved for sure and I too will stick with L.R.A. recomended oil.

Allan

[rick130]

[snip]
and yes I aggree that in the conditions we use these vehicles in the North West, oil change periods should be halved for sure and I too will stick with L.R.A. recomended oil.

Allan

You are all guessing without oil analysis.

I'd hazard a guess it would be fine for 10,000km oil change intervals.

It's a modern diesel sipping ULSD (<10ppm sulphur) and using a fully synthetic oil.
What could shorten oil life is constant running in dust. Premium air filtration is paramount for long oil and engine life.


As I often rabbit on during these oil threads, I used to be able to achieve 20,000km OCI's with our our Patrol when towing 2500kg of horses across the country constantly.
Admittedly it has a 10.5 litre sump and good air and oil filtration (two oil filters) and I was using a full synthetic heavy duty diesel oil.

At that distance there was still plenty of life left in the oil but I changed it as we were in front financially at that point (as well as having the same metal wear numbers as when using the recommended mineral based oils @ 5,000km)
That engine has now clocked up 375,000km and is untouched.
I haven't even done a rocker check in over 150,00km, and it didn't need an adjustment when last checked either.

15,0000km was ok in the Tdi Defender, 20,0000km was a stretch too far, but it was also doing a greater mix of long and short trips at the time.

[justinc]

We almost NEVER do 5000km oil intervals. ONLY for customers that INSIST, and those vehicles that cover 5000km in 12months.

I agree with Rick, and IMO air filtration in harsh/ dusty conditions should be given more priority than frequent oil changing, especially since MOST vehicles used in these areas see long road miles.

JC

[Loubrey]

Thanks guys,

Always good to get more advice off chaps in the industry. The fully synthetic oil is not cheap (cheaper than an engine, I know before someone else says it :D) and investigating premium dust filtration seems a logic option.

Any advice on air filters better than genuine parts?

[rick130]

Thanks guys,

Always good to get more advice off chaps in the industry. The fully synthetic oil is not cheap (cheaper than an engine, I know before someone else says it :D) and investigating premium dust filtration seems a logic option.

Any advice on air filters better than genuine parts?

Never seen the underbonnet of a TDCi but OE would be fine as long as it seals properly.

I'm assuming it's a panel type filter (??)

If so, some elements don't seal well around the edges, some aftermarket TD5 filters are notorious for this.

As long as no air can bypass the filter, OE elements or equivalent are often as good as you can get for efficiency, the HD industrial types (Donaldson, Nelson/Cummins/Fleetguard, etc) will have a greater capacity before the pressure dropbecomes too restrictive.

Always remember too that an air filter becomes more efficient the greater the dust loading, ie. the more dust it holds the finer the particles it will trap.

[slug_burner]

First improvement I would make if you want to decrease the dust ingestion by your vehicle is to install a raised air intake (snorkel). I have done that on both my LRs, 300 Tdi defender and D2a Td5. The filter on the Td5 was subjected to a lot of dusty air with the intake in the guard space.


As for oil I think the by pass centrifudge does a great job and would like on on the 300 Tdi but the cost makes oil changes appear cheap.

[Loubrey]

First improvement I would make if you want to decrease the dust ingestion by your vehicle is to install a raised air intake (snorkel). I have done that on both my LRs, 300 Tdi defender and D2a Td5. The filter on the Td5 was subjected to a lot of dusty air with the intake in the guard space.


As for oil I think the by pass centrifudge does a great job and would like on on the 300 Tdi but the cost makes oil changes appear cheap.

Snorkel fitted (dust limiting Mantec affair) and I assume the Puma has a bypass centrifuge installed?

I’m not yet doing the kilometres to really be concerned about overly frequent servicing, but I’ve got a few trips planned for next year and don’t suppose a precautionary out of sequence service before or after a trip will do any harm.

[rick130]

Snorkel fitted (dust limiting Mantec affair) and I assume the Puma has a bypass centrifuge installed?

[snip]

Not that I'm aware, only a replaceable cartridge full flow filter ?

The TD5 was special, the centrifuge is a brilliant bit of gear, that's why the 'normal' service interval was 20,000km.