Credit given when credit due

[MLD]

I'd like to raise a glass to 4wd Action and Overlander mags for hearing the plights of many LR owners that LR's do not get a fair showing in their publications. This month (Issue 172) 4wd action has a feature on Bruce Davis' brazilian engined 110 and 2 travel stories by owners of a 110 and 130.

Overlander this issue has a feature on a delightful 110, a random pic of a 90 on page 62, a rangie sport in a towing review (odd marriage since most RRS live in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney) and a 110 in a towing technique article.

Some months back a post was launched whining about access to photos from a Overlander shoot and that spurred a round of abuse from LR owners about 4wd action and other mags that don't cater to the LR market. Not trying to kick the bee hive (which it will inevitably do) it's up to LR owners to put forward their vehicles in these and other 4wd mags. To write and submit trip stories. No one should be entitled idly stand by in the corner and then have the audacity to complain that they were not noticed in a crowd. The onus rests on us, the LR community, to promote our vehicles and the LR marque.

My 2 bobs worth in a declining currency market.

cheers MLD

[joeT]

Well have another drink to continuing celebrating. As LR is again going in 4 wd monthly as the have not long finished a video shoot in the hi country with group of 4wds and yes 1 was a discovery 130 from memory.
But ps it broke down.... There's another thread on here some where with a may day call for help
Cheers Joe

[isuzutoo-eh]

Well have another drink to continuing celebrating. As LR is again going in 4 wd monthly as the have not long finished a video shoot in the hi country with group of 4wds and yes 1 was a discovery 130 from memory.
But ps it broke down.... There's another thread on here some where with a may day call for help
Cheers Joe

pssst...Defender 130 ;)

Many millions of years ago the editor of Overlander commented to my Dad that the highest selling editions of the mag were the ones with a Land Rover on the cover.
Those days may yet return :)

[joeT]

Arr yeh defender my brain knew what meant, I even knew what I meant but just my fingers had another idea lol
Joe

[WhiteD3]

Overlander's article on the Evoque last month was a joke. So obviously written or edited by LR with the continual references to the Evoque as a Range Rover and even some attempts at comparing the two models.

[isuzutoo-eh]

The Evoque is a Range Rover. Had a look at one at the LROCS meeting on Tuesday night. Says it right there on the front. Says it right there on the back. Says it on the dash. Says it on the steering wheel. Range Rover.

[WhiteD3]

The Evoque is a Range Rover. Had a look at one at the LROCS meeting on Tuesday night. Says it right there on the front. Says it right there on the back. Says it on the dash. Says it on the steering wheel. Range Rover.

Sorry for being such a cynic. I guess a Prado must be a Land Cruiser then :angel:

[isuzutoo-eh]

Ah, right, cynicism. I didn't read between the lines :p

But you are right, the Prado and Evoque probably have similar off road ability whilst the Rangie is far superior to the full fat land cruiser...the distance between is greater...ha


Back to the mags...

[Tombie]

Well applying that logic, one must inform all owners of RRS that they are NOT driving a Range Rover

But rather just a sleek Discovery :angel:

Its badged "Range" its marketed "Range" - why fail to accept it as such?

[101RRS]

Well applying that logic, one must inform all owners of RRS that they are NOT driving a Range Rover

But rather just a sleek Discovery :angel:

Its badged "Range" its marketed "Range" - why fail to accept it as such?

Or are Discovery drivers really driving a down market RRS - :angel:

:D

Garry

[Tank]

What really PMO with the mags is the way that there so called journalists jump on the bandwagon and bag Landrovers even though they have never owned one or had one break down on them. One such statement says "decades of Land Rover unreliability", as far as I'm concerned they can stick with their Nissans (see story of ZD30 hand grenades in story issue 172), and their indestuctable toyotas which never breakdown. The latest effort to get LR into 4WD Action was on this Forum, I said I would be willing to participate, sent off a bunch of pics, must have not been spectacular enough, never heard a peep out of them, at least should have come back and said no thanks your car is crap or at least a note saying thanks for the pics, Regards Frank.

[flagg]

Yeah I agree, I've never purchased a 4x4 action before, but I did this one - and I enjoyed what I read. Previously I haven't made it past a few pages, but this one had lots of good stuff and I learned the 4psi rule.

Still, some work to do.. there were about 3 sentences about painting in that guy's 'new paint job' article.

[LowRanger]

I think that people get too caught up with the hype generated around what is said in magazines,and let their emotions take over regarding their own particular vehicle preference.I have been buying and subscribed to 4wd magazines since the 1st edition of OFF ROAD AUSTRALIA magazine in the early 70's which was really the 1st magazine directed entirely at the off road scene.
I have lost count of the articles that I have read that I have thought were biased toward a particular brand of vehicle or toward a particular sponsors product,and thought to myself "what a lot of crap".But then I step back and look at it from another angle and realise that it is the sponsors that keep the magazine going,and like life,not everyone is going to agree with with someone elses opinion.
Anything I don't agree with I just take with a grain of salt and move on to the article or edition/mag.
When I see all the bagging of Land Rovers I look at it from another angle,mostly it is good natured jibes from scribes that really have a healthy respect for the product,but own or drive something different and say things mostly tongue in cheek.
The same thing happens if you go on a trip somewhere with owners of vehicles other than Land Rovers,there is always healthy rivalry,but most people acknowledge the abilities and short comings of all the vehicles.
Having said all that,I have noticed that lately,Defenders seem to have been portrayed as the touring only vehicle and shown in Overlander,which is basically directed at the touring fraternity.And the Discos seem to get coverage in 4Wd Action.
Tank, know what you mean about vehicles obviously not being what must be seemed to be what they are looking for.We ran into a guy from the mag when out on a trip,he came over and wanted to do an article on a late model Puma on portals (which is a fabulous vehicle and worthy of an article in any magazine).The owner declined the offer and pointed the scribe to my vehicle,which sits on 35's and has a lot of good bits,but is just another square white box.But is probably as capable as anything else that they show in the mag.The scribe just turned on his heel and didn't even acknowledge that he had been told.I might add that I wasn't interested in it any way,but it did open my eyes to the fact that they only seem to be interested in late model vehicles.Even if the only things they have is AT's and a set of draws fitted,but they appeal to the masses and sales bring in the advertisers and so the circle turns!!!

Wayne

[roverfan]

4wd action is junk, how anyone can buy that crap is beyond me.

[LowRanger]

4wd action is junk, how anyone can buy that crap is beyond me.

One persons opinion which you are entitled to.

But it shows a very narrow perspective:eek:

Wayne

[roverfan]

How is it narrow, I've bought it, read it and it was full of mistakes and advertisements with poorly thought out and executed comparisons.

[pop058]

Sorry for being such a cynic. I guess a Prado must be a Land Cruiser then :angel:

badge on the back door says it is :D

[PAT303]

Wayne,have you ever thought that if magazines,not just 4WD ones actually printed good articles people would buy them and they wouldn't need sponsors money?.I don't buy magazines because they are full of biased rubbish,if they wrote the truth and printed articles that gave sound advice based on knowledge and fact I and many others would buy them but they don't.People buy products based on information found in magazines that a sponsor has payed to be there only to find it doesn't work,suspension is the classic case and then they walk,so the mag has to find more sponsors which then means more biased rubbish.Have you ever seen an Australian mag rubbish Cooper tyres for delaminating?,of course not,not while Coopers keep paying they won't. Pat

[LowRanger]

Wayne,have you ever thought that if magazines,not just 4WD ones actually printed good articles people would buy them and they wouldn't need sponsors money?.I don't buy magazines because they are full of biased rubbish,if they wrote the truth and printed articles that gave sound advice based on knowledge and fact I and many others would buy them but they don't.People buy products based on information found in magazines that a sponsor has payed to be there only to find it doesn't work,suspension is the classic case and then they walk,so the mag has to find more sponsors which then means more biased rubbish.Have you ever seen an Australian mag rubbish Cooper tyres for delaminating?,of course not,not while Coopers keep paying they won't. Pat

Pat
The problem is that articles are just journalists opinions,and wherever you have expressed opinions you are going to have disagreements.Newspapers are no different to mags,and you still have people that swear by what is written by such and such paper,but still they sell to the masses.
I think that people need to read mags more for light entertainment value,rather than trying to take them as a technical bible.A bit like comparing a movie to a documentary

Wayne

Sent by snail mail using a pencil

[PAT303]

Rubbish,they aren't journalists opinions.When they do a vehicle comparo and one vehicle is a 50K stock standard model and the other is a optioned 80K one that isn't an opinion.You will never see an offroad test against a stock defender and a stock troopy,why,because the defender will win so Toyota will never allow it.Thats not journalism,thats bending over to a sponsor and people know it. Pat

[LowRanger]

Actually,most of the "comparos" that I have seen where "offroad" ability is taken into account,the Land Rover usually does very well.Where the Land Rover is usually let down is in Fit and Finish and in General Ergonomics and driveability on road.And from the majority of peoples perspective,this is the sort of information that they require.If it wasn't,the average 4wd would still be a very basic piece of machinery,and only people like me would want to drive them:D
But obviously you wouldn't know about what is in the mags,because you don't read them;)

Wayne



Rubbish,they aren't journalists opinions.When they do a vehicle comparo and one vehicle is a 50K stock standard model and the other is a optioned 80K one that isn't an opinion.You will never see an offroad test against a stock defender and a stock troopy,why,because the defender will win so Toyota will never allow it.Thats not journalism,thats bending over to a sponsor and people know it. Pat

[rick130]

Sorry for being such a cynic. I guess a Prado must be a Land Cruiser then :angel:


badge on the back door says it is :D

Yep, and says so on the VIN plate too.

My sister always refers to her Playdo as a Land Cruiser, but she did crack up when the Playdo tag slipped out recently :D

[isuzutoo-eh]

Rubbish,they aren't journalists opinions.When they do a vehicle comparo and one vehicle is a 50K stock standard model and the other is a optioned 80K one that isn't an opinion.You will never see an offroad test against a stock defender and a stock troopy,why,because the defender will win so Toyota will never allow it.Thats not journalism,thats bending over to a sponsor and people know it. Pat

Actually Overlander did that very same comparo. Base spec troopie, 200tdi 110 wagon. Article name 'Diamonds in the Rough' or words to that effect. Pretty even result if i recall, def did get the off road points though.

[RobHay]

WHAT ! Bruce gave his engine a brazilian.........:eek: Now that would have been interesting to watch....:twisted:

[roverfan]

It's an insult to every trained journalist to call these hacks the same name

[strangy]

Or are Discovery drivers really driving a down market RRS - :angel:

:D

Garry

Or are they both the "gay twin brothers" of the Defender?:wasntme:

[CJT]

Latest issue of 4WD Action also has a right up on a D1 and a buyers guide section for purchasing used TD5 D2.

I have not read it yet though.

[Beckford]

Yep, and says so on the VIN plate too.

My sister always refers to her Playdo as a Land Cruiser, but she did crack up when the Playdo tag slipped out recently :D

I used to drive a "Toyota 4 Runner" according to the badge on the back.

After I bent the back tail and a trip to the wreckers, I then drove a "Toyota Surf" until I broke the 'un-breakable'.

The whole time VIN plate just called it "Toyota Hilux".

[tonic]

I'd like to raise a glass to 4wd Action and Overlander mags for hearing the plights of many LR owners that LR's do not get a fair showing in their publications. This month (Issue 172) 4wd action has a feature on Bruce Davis' brazilian engined 110 and 2 travel stories by owners of a 110 and 130.

Overlander this issue has a feature on a delightful 110, a random pic of a 90 on page 62, a rangie sport in a towing review (odd marriage since most RRS live in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney) and a 110 in a towing technique article.

Some months back a post was launched whining about access to photos from a Overlander shoot and that spurred a round of abuse from LR owners about 4wd action and other mags that don't cater to the LR market. Not trying to kick the bee hive (which it will inevitably do) it's up to LR owners to put forward their vehicles in these and other 4wd mags. To write and submit trip stories. No one should be entitled idly stand by in the corner and then have the audacity to complain that they were not noticed in a crowd. The onus rests on us, the LR community, to promote our vehicles and the LR marque.

My 2 bobs worth in a declining currency market.

cheers MLD

4WD Action did it again, edition 175, they feature a disco in a section called "Budget All Rounders" a County in a write in story and a tdi Disco in a write in story. This months video has a very well sorted new 130 on their trip, the guy also comments on owning LR's for 20 years and I noticed that he is also an advertiser. Even the full page ARB add has a new 130. Things are looking up.