RRS Snorkel - Options

[101RRS]

I am going on a trip next week where river crossing may be up to 500mm. While this is Ok for a RRS it has refocussed my thoughts on a snorkel for the RRS and options.

I guess there is the OEM RAI which is expensive and requires modification to turn it into a snorkle.

Could make a temporary home made snorkle like Carver has done but I guess I would prefer something permanent.

What about a Safari Snorkle? I cannot find a listing but of course there is a D3 version. Does anyone know if these will fit a RRS - the front guard body work is different but I suspect the angle of the windscreen piller is the same as is the air intact hole and I suspect the under bonnet plumbing.

Other ideas appreciated.

Cheers

Garry

[discotwinturbo]

I am going on a trip next week where river crossing may be up to 500mm. While this is Ok for a RRS it has refocussed my thoughts on a snorkel for the RRS and options.

I guess there is the OEM RAI which is expensive and requires modification to turn it into a snorkle.

Could make a temporary home made snorkle like Carver has done but I guess I would prefer something permanent.

What about a Safari Snorkle? I cannot find a listing but of course there is a D3 version. Does anyone know if these will fit a RRS - the front guard body work is different but I suspect the angle of the windscreen piller is the same as is the air intact hole and I suspect the under bonnet plumbing.

Other ideas appreciated.

Cheers

Garry

I wonder if the RRS sport part number is the same as the D4 part number VPLAP0018. Have found plenty of RAI pics on the current Sport. Just need to find someone that has a safari snorkel fitted....fingers crossed you will.

[~Rich~]

Jimmy Salsa / Black Betty - RRS has one fitted.

He has posted many 4wd video's on uTube of his RRS in the Watsgans & Blue Mountains. Do a search either on this forum or Disco3.uk for info.

[sniegy]

The LR RAI's are different between the Disco & Sport.
The rake on the windscreen is different so one is slightly longer than the other & the angle is different to compensate for this. This will also mean that the lower section is also set on a different angle.
They basically are the same fitment for both units.
Safari don't make one for the Sport.
I actually like the look of the LR units, but some will disagree:p.
Cheers

[Stuart02]

It'll say in the owner's manual, but surely it'll do 50cm?! I thought the D4 was 70-ish... And the recommended wading depths always seem very conservative to me.
Plenty of good reasons to get a RAI/snorkel tho.

[101RRS]

I wonder if the RRS sport part number is the same as the D4 part number VPLAP0018. Have found plenty of RAI pics on the current Sport. Just need to find someone that has a safari snorkel fitted....fingers crossed you will.

Part numbers are different but I have found on some items the differences are minimal.


Jimmy Salsa / Black Betty - RRS has one fitted.

He has posted many 4wd video's on uTube of his RRS in the Watsgans & Blue Mountains. Do a search either on this forum or Disco3.uk for info.

Jimmy has a OEM RAI that has been made waterproof - not a snorkel as such. I have done a fair bit of research and came to the conclusion there is not a standard snorkel that fits - so asking here if I had missed something.


The LR RAI's are different between the Disco & Sport.
The rake on the windscreen is different so one is slightly longer than the other & the angle is different to compensate for this. This will also mean that the lower section is also set on a different angle.
They basically are the same fitment for both units.
Safari don't make one for the Sport.
I actually like the look of the LR units, but some will disagree:p.
Cheers

Thanks for that confirmation - I also like the RAI but it is a bit expensive and requires a bit of work to turn it into a snorkel. I guess I can do a modded Carver temporary version using some pvc pipe and some gaffa tape to hold it onto the intake on the guard.:o

Cheers

Garry

[101RRS]

It'll say in the owner's manual, but surely it'll do 50cm?! I thought the D4 was 70-ish... And the recommended wading depths always seem very conservative to me.
Plenty of good reasons to get a RAI/snorkel tho.

Not worried about the trip - yes fording depth is 700mm. This just focussed my thoughts that I do need to get some type of snorkel and it would seem the only viable option is the expensive RAI and then make it waterproof.

Cheers

Garry

[weeds]

i noticed a RRS in a caryard on tuesday that had a snorkel fitted, it actually looked quite good, toughen up the look of the RRS

[101RRS]

i noticed a RRS in a caryard on tuesday that had a snorkel fitted, it actually looked quite good, toughen up the look of the RRS

I think you will find it is not a snorkel but the OEM Raised Air Intake (RAI). Land Rover Accessories Online Catalogue | Raised Air Intake (http://accessories.landrover.com/inter/accview.do'manSC=ldr&marketSC=uk&langSC=EN&modelCode=L320&productHierarchyId=B40D72F77E444B878B882B41D4AA084 6&menuPhId=9F159BEB32DC46FB972EA656A14CF3B7&dealerMode=null&accessoryId=F2825A219A504698B3A03CFBA6648B8D)

Cheers

Garry

[weeds]

I think you will find it is not a snorkel but the OEM Raised Air Intake (RAI). Land Rover Accessories Online Catalogue | Raised Air Intake (http://accessories.landrover.com/inter/accview.do'manSC=ldr&marketSC=uk&langSC=EN&modelCode=L320&productHierarchyId=B40D72F77E444B878B882B41D4AA084 6&menuPhId=9F159BEB32DC46FB972EA656A14CF3B7&dealerMode=null&accessoryId=F2825A219A504698B3A03CFBA6648B8D)

Cheers

Garry

er yep tahts looks like the one

[Tote]

I have an unmodified RAI on my Disco 3 and after considering the Safari unit came to the conclusion that the RAI was just as effective without being modified based on the following points.

If the vehicle is moving the system is unlikely to ingest water through an unsealed RAI as the holes are there to ensure that any water in the system drains out.
If the vehicle is stationary in deep water for any long period of time where the airbox might fill up with water you are most likely going to be stopped by water in the electrics anyway.

The design of the stock intake is such that the bow wave drops away under it and the only time that you may have a problem is if you are in a fast running deep stream where the water "piles up " against the drivers guard. the RAI does a good job of preventing this scenario.

I'd be interested to hear from someone who had access to the design work on the RAI as I reckon it's designed to do its job and maybe the people who advocate sealing it up are in some ways defeating the design objectives.

There are some pretty good videos on youtube of vehicles windscreen deep fording with no issues with RAIs.

Regards,
Tote

[Ivan]

I have the LR RAI fitted to my D3 and think it really looks the part. I got it from the UK at a much cheaper price than over here. LR in Brisbane wanted $1100 AUD supply only!! I think I got mine delivered for about $700 AUD and paid $80 AUD to have it fitted (couldn't be a$sed myself :p).

Ivan

[Mike_S]

Garry, mine hasn't ever let water in and it's just the LR RAI. I know it's sealed to the wing with a gasket and sealant (as that causes a few squeaky bums with windscreen fitters) but other than that I'm not sure, I doubt LR made any modifications to it however. If you're starting with a new kit though I'd expect it to be pretty easy to make watertight, whereas I've got the strip the lot off.We've had water up over the bonnet a few times and well over the rubbing strips on the doors so I'd be fairly confident about its capabilities, I'd just take a bit of care once it got to more than headlight height.

This is mine at Eastnor in one of the water troughs, later in the day it was over the rubbing strips on the doors. The suspension was at offroad height in this photo.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/01/1263.jpg

[101RRS]

Thanks Mike - seems to be a common point. When fording the water level in the engine bay is lower than outside (until you stop) and I expect that only a small amount of water gets in around the mudguard fittings and the drain systems in the inlet pipes can cope with this.

I have a tutorial somewhere on what has to be done to convert the RAI to a snorkel and mainly involved sealing the guard intake and other areas under the bonnet with a good sealant.

I just wish the RAI was a bit cheaper well over $1000 in Aust and just under $1000 delivered from the UK.

Cheers

Garry

[Ivan]

Gary

I'll check who I got mine from. I am sure it wasn't $1000 delivered.
Just checked and this (http://qponline.co.uk/en/landrover-vplap0018.html) is where I got mine from.


Ivan

[101RRS]

Thanks but I searched that site and they do not seem to list an RAI for the RRS.

The last time I found one online it was listed as 700 pounds.

Though there is an G4 version with no instructions item listed on Ebay UK for 275 pounds.

Cheers

Garry

[Mike_S]

Thanks but I searched that site and they do not seem to list an RAI for the RRS.

The last time I found one online it was listed as 700 pounds.

Though there is an G4 version with no instructions item listed on Ebay UK for 275 pounds.

Cheers

Garry

My car leaves the UK on the 19th January, you're welcome to a space inside it for the RAI if you're in no hurry. Should be here in mid March. Should also be fairly simple to work out how it's attached, I can tell you it requires 2 holes to be drilled in the wing either side of the inlet grille and 2 or 3 on the exterior of the a-pillar underneath the windscreen trim. I'm also assuming the wheel arch guard will need pulling out as the pipe work is invisible into the airbox.

We happened to stop in the water trough at one point, but everything drained out. The underside of the bonnet & engine bay were a mess though from the fan, so I'd suggest a radiator guard for crossing water, it's certainly on my list of things to acquire either here or in the UK.

[chuck]

Gary

I have heard whispers of Ritters developing a waterproofing kit for the Landrover RAI.

I beleive the RAI's for the D4's are different to the D3's being a solid hose rather than perforated hose - this may hold true for the RRS.

Worth following up.

Regards

Chuck

[sniegy]

Garry to fit the LR RAI is **** easy, as Mike has said, there ate 2 holes just above the air intake that are drilled then fitted with nutserts, then 1 atop the "A" pillar again fitted with a nutsert.
You don't need to remove the inner guard as if you do need to remove the perforated hose it can be done by sliding it in the chanel it sits in, you may need to remove the air intake box, but this again is simple.

Cheers.

[Graeme]

Is the 3.0 RAI fitting kit really needed as well as the RAI? I have the impression that the fitting kit is a connecting pipe with more drain holes than normally and is often discarded, leaving the original in place. The fitting kit is an expensive item especially if its not really required.

[sniegy]

Graeme,
Have fitted 4 of these so far, the only difference i can see is the tubing is a little bit more solid i suppose is the word to use, the existing is a little flimsy!?, It is still perforated !
It it were me i would order the std RAI & then go from there.
If you decide to change your mind i can run one up to you....:p:p
Cheers

[Graeme]

Thanks Sniegy. One day I'll bite the bullet and get a LR RAI but probably ex-UK.

[sniegy]

Me too!