diesel options

[123rover50]

What are your thoughts on the Isuzu 4jb1 versus the Perkins 4 .182/Mazda HA engines into a series?
Both geared cam drive.
Both can be turbo,ed.

Isuzu kit ex UK cheaper than the Perkins.
Perkins , wet liners not sure about the 4j.
Thanks.
Keith

[shorty943]

Been a Perkins fan for many years, mainly in boats.

The beauty of Perkins is the availability of parts, ANY farm machinery place carries them, Massey Ferguson still run Perky engines.

That being said, I am dropping a Daihatsu 3.8 into my S3 Landy, only reason being, I got the entire engine and 5 speed gearbox nice and cheap.

[isuzurover]

What are your thoughts on the Isuzu 4jb1 versus the Perkins 4.108 / Mazda HA engines into a series?
Both geared cam drive.
Both can be turbo,ed.

Isuzu kit ex UK cheaper than the Perkins.
Perkins , wet liners not sure about the 4j.
Thanks.
Keith

Isn't the 4.108 1.8L capacity??? In which case there isn't much comparison with a 4JB1.

[101RRS]

What model series are we talking about - the L series diesel out of a Freelander would be a great engine for a series 1. Is ECU controlled but it is first generation ad just turns up injection pump when required (an down as well). Can be tweeked to give about 80kw and 280nm. Is a nice compact engine whose characteristics suit a series setup really well.

The other obvious engine is the 200tdi or 300tdi - basic has about the same oomph as the L series but can be tweeked a bit more if required. Certainly the 200tdi can basically bolt in with few issues.

Garry

[isuzurover]

What model series are we talking about - the L series diesel out of a Freelander would be a great engine for a series 1. Is ECU controlled but it is first generation ad just turns up injection pump when required (an down as well). Can be tweeked to give about 80kw and 280nm. Is a nice compact engine whose characteristics suit a series setup really well.

The other obvious engine is the 200tdi or 300tdi - basic has about the same oomph as the L series but can be tweeked a bit more if required. Certainly the 200tdi can basically bolt in with few issues.

Garry

Isn't the L series freeloader diesel the one that has all sorts of head problems???

The two engines 123 has suggested are largely bulletproof and have timing gears fitted (properly designed and manufactured, unlike the $$$ Zeus abominations).

After owning a 300Tdi, I wouldn't recommend it be fitted to anything, ever.

[BigJon]

Isn't the L series freeloader diesel the one that has all sorts of head problems???

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No, K series 1.8 petrol has liner issues.

[101RRS]

Isn't the L series freeloader diesel the one that has all sorts of head problems???



No - absolutely not - one of the most reliable diesels you will find anywhere.

Garry

[Lionelgee]

What are your thoughts on the Isuzu 4jb1 versus the Perkins 4.108 / Mazda HA engines into a series?
Both geared cam drive.
Both can be turbo,ed.

Isuzu kit ex UK cheaper than the Perkins.
Perkins , wet liners not sure about the 4j.
Thanks.
Keith

Hello Keith,

Not sure which engine you were referring to having wet liners in the line "Perkins, wet liners not sure about the 4J". Knowing stuff all about Perkins motors I went to Wikipedia and they say that the following: List of Perkins engines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Family type code ..... ED
Engine Ref no..... 4.108
Description... Four-cylinder, 108 in³ (1,760 cc) diesel engine. Dry sleeves. Used extensively in vans and cars, Ford Transit, Bedford CA - Opel Blitz, Alfa Romeo Giulia, Alfa Romeo Giulietta, SEAT 131.

Yes sometimes Wikipedia is not the most reliable of things - so which of the Perkins and the 4J do you think could have wet liners? Or was it another Perkins motor?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[123rover50]

Sorry guys I stuffed it up.
I had a 4.108 in my yacht. I really meant the 200 series 4.182 Mazda HA.
Its higher reving than the Isuzu but dont know much about the Perkins liners.
Keith

[DasLandRoverMan]

The HA was a popular conversion into vehicles with knackered V8's in the 80's, both N/A and turboed, as was the SLT.
Both HA's and SLT's were generally regarded as solid reliable engines which were excellent for use in a Land Rover, and as many Range Rovers.
Unfortunately as the vehicles they were fitted to have rotted out and been scrapped the numbers available have dropped off a lot over here, and when they do come up for sale they command a good price as those in the know are aware how good they are, and will pay good money for them.

I learned to drive in an SLT powered 2 door Rangie, and scoured the country for one to repower my 110 CSW a couple of years ago.
I was lucky to find one at a decent price, and have been very impressed with it in terms of power, torque and economy.

It also has the added bonus of being able to run on just about anything combustable and oily, I find used 0w/30 synthetic makes it go rather well, along with veg oil and a few other combinations.

[123rover50]

I sold the 4J.
Still got the HA sitting here I took out of our old Rangie because it was letting coolant in somewhere.
Sticking with the 200TDI in the little Landies and the 4BD1 in the big ones.
(Apart from the 6.2 Chev in the 6x6)

[mick88]

Been a Perkins fan for many years, mainly in boats.

The beauty of Perkins is the availability of parts, ANY farm machinery place carries them, Massey Ferguson still run Perky engines.

That being said, I am dropping a Daihatsu 3.8 into my S3 Landy, only reason being, I got the entire engine and 5 speed gearbox nice and cheap.

Shorty, what is the 3.8 Daihatsu motor out of?
Or do you mean a 2.8 DL diesel out of an early 1980's Scat or Rocky?
The Daihatsu's motors and drive trains are fantastic, well built, rather heavy duty and exceptionaly reliable. The 2.5 litre DG diesels were very economical (in their day) but the 2.8 DL is a better performer.
Several years back there was a thread on here with some pics adapting a Daihatsu diesel to a series gearbox.
Someone will know how to find the old thread.
Good luck and can we see some pics of your project please?

Cheers, Mick.

[mick88]

What are your thoughts on the Isuzu 4jb1 versus the Perkins 4 .182/Mazda HA engines into a series?
Both geared cam drive.
Both can be turbo,ed.

Isuzu kit ex UK cheaper than the Perkins.
Perkins , wet liners not sure about the 4j.
Thanks.
Keith

The Perkins motors are a good choice, parts readily available and at a reasonable cost. Always a rather economical motor to run too.
About fifteen years ago I reconditioned the motor on our 135 Massey Ferguson tractor. It has the three cylinder AD3 152 ci motor and I was really impressed by the fact that Perkins used the same sleeves piston sets and bearings in the three cylinder, four cylinder and six cylinder engines in that model diesel. Basically every cylinder was 50 ci.
Good donks to work on, good for parts and pretty well go forever.


Cheers, Mick.

[oldyella 76]

Got a perkins 4/165 a series 3 109 has gone everywhere from the simpson to the cape and kimberly. The 4/165 was replaced by the 4/182 that was a much more popular engine and hence cheaper parts. My 4/165 went in at about 50,000 ks and has done over 300,000 . Now sitting in the shed. It plugged along ok but was a little slow revving and not quite enough power for a overdrive. Good reliable engine though.
Lindsay.

[mick88]

Got a perkins 4/165 a series 3 109 has gone everywhere from the simpson to the cape and kimberly. The 4/165 was replaced by the 4/182 that was a much more popular engine and hence cheaper parts. My 4/165 went in at about 50,000 ks and has done over 300,000 . Now sitting in the shed. It plugged along ok but was a little slow revving and not quite enough power for a overdrive. Good reliable engine though.
Lindsay.

Lindsay what revs would the perkins do and what was the top speed with the perkins in the vehicle? Did you fit higher ratio diffs? Where did you get the adaptor from?

Cheers, Mick.

[Sitec]

Mmmmm.. Perkins's in Land Rovers..... Really, in this day and age?? that was something some people used to do to Series trucks and early Range Rovers in the UK in the 80's because fuel was soooo expensive and has by all accounts got more expensive. Don't get me wrong, Perkins are a great engine... In a tractor, Boat or old British truck. Every Perkins powered Solihull vehicle I drove (4 in total) were noisy and slow but good on fuel. Flat out at 80kph a little over 2200 rpm. Unless you get a late automotive Perkins (Prima 2litre fitted in Maestro and Montego cars in the UK) or Freeklander lump, you would be fairly disappointed with it, you'd need, heavy front springs, 750x16 tall truck tyres, 3.54:1 diffs, overdrive, and a decent pair of ear muffs!! I did drive a widened 110 hi cap with a Perkins 6354 Header engine in it. Sounded and drove like a truck but did go quite well. IMO, you can't go wrong with a 200tdi. The Series 2 box will cope... just, and it will bolt straight to the gearbox! Your old 2.286 engine mounts will fit to the Tdi and it will sit on the original chassis mounts. With a little bit of drilling out, the old 3 bolt thermostat housing will bolt on allowing you to use the original top hose and a slightly modified bottom hose. 2a rad copes fine, ser 3 rad just but has to be good and utilise the engine driven fan. Spend time with the coweling and it will pay off. Battery tray will have to go, so will the oil bath air cleaner and the 'pea shooter' exhaust. Either an overdrive or later diffs will give you good top speed, but even in std form it will still boogy! Just my thoughts! Good luck!

[jakeslouw]

4JB1 or 4JG2 would be my pick. The perkins can't rev and would require an OD or huge tyres.

Also try the Nissan TD27.

[123rover50]

The 4-182 was a good donk. 85 BHP at 3600 RPM. That was fast enough.
198 NM at 1800 RPM.
I bought the last two conversion kits the the Landy dealer in Brisbane had back in the 80,s. Was it Austral Motors? Down by the Hospital on the main rd in. One kit for a Rangy and one a Landy. I sold the latter.(regretting it) and put the former into my wifes two door. Went well with the standard gearing. Then she got Carpel Tunnel in her left wrist and found it hard to change cogs so I got a kit from a mob in Noosa to put the Borg Warner three spd auto in it. It went well too by my standards, but then our other cars were series diesels.
Later she saw the silver Sherwood on a stand at a Dealer in Brissie and decided to trade it in.
I wonder who bought our diesel one.
If I remember correctly Numpty,s Missus had a landy with a 4-182 in it for sale on here a few years back.

[mick88]

I know a local guy who pruchased a series three swb from up in the brisbane area and it was fitted with a perkins four cylinder donk. I am not sure what model engine it was but the previous owner had run his own home brew fuel in it.
The vehicle was driven down here to Victoria and then the motor was removed and the adaptor kit sold off.

Cheers, Mick

[DasLandRoverMan]

4.203's were a popular fit for series motors over here, nothing spectacular in terms of speed or noise, but everyone says 'enough torque to pull a house down' wether this means one made of bricks, sticks, or straw I don't know.

The TD27 (six cylinder? Or is that the 2.8?) seems to work well in series motors. I've seen one fitted in a Six Cylinder 109 S/W, where it fills the space nicely, and according to the owner will cruise happily at 70mph in O/D 4th and still return 30mpg.

Unfortunately Nissan sixes are pretty thin on the ground here, and when they are for sale they command silly money, somewhere around £2k for a fully dressed engine with 100k+ miles.

[jakeslouw]

You mean the Nissan RD28T. 6 cylinder, revs like a monster, so is happy with standard diff ratios.

[Series3 GT]

Just whatever you do avoid the 2.8 Hilux motor, less power and torque than a 2.25, the 2.4 Hilux motors felt faster. The Nissan TD27 is a good little motor and so is the 200TDI though. The RD28T would be a ripper of a motor and so would a SD33T, I drove an MK wagon with a 3.3 Turbo and it flew along without any problems.

[Erik BM]

I've got a Nissan2.7TD from a terrano. It is surplus to requirements and has done 190k.

It is complete with the running gear, including the turbo and I would be happy with $1,000 for it if anyone is interested in putting in in a Landie. I was thinking of doing it, but got distracted by a V8 rangie.

It has the engine drive injection system, so it will run without any electronics. i have got it running in my shed.

regards, Erik (SA)

[101RRS]

You should list it in the Markets Section - Engines for Sale.

[Erik BM]

Thanks, have done so now.