D4 19inch COOPER Zeon LTZ 255 55 19

[aferrier]

I see that Cooper Tyres have announced a 19inch AT tyre compatable with the D4. Does anyone have any first-hand experience with this tyre? I'm thinking it may be a good alternative to the GG AT.


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[Plane Fixer]

I have already spoken to my local dealer and have been given a look at a 20".
They are a compromise between a passenger and A/T. When I get home I will be ordering 5 as I am going away up north in June.
As I have at this moment only done 2500km on my new D4 they will fit the Coopers and give me the Goodyears back for re fitment when I come back from my trip around Oz so as to get maximum wear from them.
I am not sure of the pricing yet but expect around 420 each.
I will get a final figure when I order them when I get back to Oz.

[gghaggis]

The Zeon LTZ is far more than a compromise between HT and AT!

IMO it's one of the best performing AT tyre out there. In the 19" it isn't as strong as the 18" version, but it should still outperform the GG AT off-road.

Note that these tyres are designed to accomodate low-pressure work.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Robocop]

Ahh good, I was going to start a thread on this myself. They certainly look the part & I may not need to go down to 18's now.

I think most would like to know the price per tyre & any official review. I think I'll order 5 anyway.

[aferrier]

Ahh good, I was going to start a thread on this myself. They certainly look the part & I may not need to go down to 18's now.

I think most would like to know the price per tyre & any official review. I think I'll order 5 anyway.

I called the Cooper distributor. They said that they're waiting for the shipment to get off the boat and should be available in a couple of weeks (late April). When asking for a price, they said that retailers would be giving out prices and that wont happen until they receive stock.

[Owen]

$235 Aussie is the Canadian online sale price.

Details: Cooper ZEON LTZ 255/55 R19 111H - tires-easy.ca (http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl'dsco=150&Cookie=shopbot&details=Ordern&typ=R-221210&ranzahl=4&nichtweiter=1)




Details: Cooper ZEON LTZ 255/55 R19 111H


Cooper
Tire producer in the USA, quality product for the high-end market

ZEON LTZ 255/55 R19 111H

We only supply the tire. If there is a rim shown in the picture, it is for display purposes only.
The picture serves only representation purposes

With us only CAD 244.00


Stock Level: 16
Type of Tire: All season tires
Speed index: H: tire speed capacity is up to 130 mph/210 km/h !
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[DD Disco]

I had a look at these on the Cooper display at the Victorian 4WD show at Wandin. They had one fitted to a range rover 19" wheel.

I spoke to the Cooper rep that was on the stand and he indicated that the RRP in Australia was going to be around the $500 mark, he also thought that the tyres would be in stock by around the end of March.

Hopefully since he was wrong with the dates his pricing was also incorrect.

[Plane Fixer]

My local dealer has contacted me and they have 5 in stock for me. I will get them fitted when I get back home and post some pics.
The price is about $420 each.
There is a 3 month lead time on orders placed now, I was lucky the dealer has ordered in on my behalf on good faith due being a regular customer.
I will post when I have done some kays on them and give a comparison regarding noise and road behavior, as I will do a return trip to Sydney when I get back to Oz on Monday and I expect to get them fitted when I get back from Sydney on the Friday.

[Plane Fixer]

I had the Coopers fitted yesterday and have just driven down to Sydney.
The pressures set at the tyre dealer was 40 PSI and I found on the drive down the ride was a bit harder and the handling was a bit 'tip toe'.
The tyres has a slight whine at cruising speed but not too intrusive.
I have dropped the pressures to 38 PSI all round and will evaluate the handling on the way home on Friday morning.
They were $425 each fitted.
My fuel consumption with some short running around at home and then the Coffs Sydney I have got 10L/100 but have only done 2800 km total so far.
Graeme (another one)

[eddomak]

I spoke to the Cooper rep that was on the stand and he indicated that the RRP in Australia was going to be around the $500 mark, he also thought that the tyres would be in stock by around the end of March.

Hopefully since he was wrong with the dates his pricing was also incorrect.
Unfortunately, as per Plane Fixer's post, the price is still quite high. From their advertisement in the Range Rover Club magazine the RRP is $475 each.

[gotaflat]

Plane Fixer (and others),

How have you found the Coopers Zenon LTZs? I am about to order some rubber for the D4 and keen to hear any feed back, particuarly in relation to road noise (my main concern for Coopers).

We spend a bit a bit of time on Gravel roads given where we live (20kms min in any direction!), however then we are probarbly 80% black top. Get a trip away each year to beaches and or up North, but I am guessing that i will need a set of harder/specific tyres for anything to serious up north - unless the Cooper Zeons cover the both the road and off road well.

Anyway keen for any comments before I deceide between the Coopers, Pirelli Scorpions or General Grabbers (if I can find them in WA!).

Thanks



I had the Coopers fitted yesterday and have just driven down to Sydney.
The pressures set at the tyre dealer was 40 PSI and I found on the drive down the ride was a bit harder and the handling was a bit 'tip toe'.
The tyres has a slight whine at cruising speed but not too intrusive.
I have dropped the pressures to 38 PSI all round and will evaluate the handling on the way home on Friday morning.
They were $425 each fitted.
My fuel consumption with some short running around at home and then the Coffs Sydney I have got 10L/100 but have only done 2800 km total so far.
Graeme (another one)

[~Rich~]

I think you will find the LTZ Zeons will do both quite well.
Especially in WA as most of your off road stuff is sand based.

I have damaged some edges off roading but you have to expect this on rock steps. Nothing too bad though.

I'm replacing mine back with the same. ;)

[Plane Fixer]

I have just come back from a trip which took in all types of roads, Coffs, Sydney, Canberra, through the Alpine Way to Vic high country, Melbourne, and back to Coffs via all the back roads, including gravel. A lot was on wet bitumen roads as in places it hosed down. There was no loss of grip and at no time I felt uncomfortable. It is also the fact I have come from a Patrol to the Disco. The difference is like night and day.
The tyres have a bit of whine on smooth freeways. Their grip is excellent; the stability control cut in before the tyres started to lose grip, and on gravel I had some very wide corners so I tried the grip there and was very satisfying. I was only able to hang the tail only if I tried and then "nanny' stopped it early.
I have been running 38PSI instead of the 40PSI recommended and it gave just that little more comfortable ride.
To sum up; the tyres are great on a fantastic vehicle and will now have no hesitation to go anywhere.
Cheers, Graeme(another one)

[Rollin over]

I also have them and find the road noise to be excellent. Also the handling in the wet and on gravel roads are great!. Paid $460 fitted each at Tamworth NSW.

Cheers

[Disco4SE]

I also have them and find the road noise to be excellent. Also the handling in the wet and on gravel roads are great!. Paid $460 fitted each at Tamworth NSW.

Cheers

About time you put up some photos :)

Cheers, Craig

[gotaflat]

Thanks for your comments, order will be made tomorrow....still a toss up between the coopers and Pirelli in my mind. Have not seen any prices from my local guy on the options yet either..

[ballan]

Pricing is very annoying. US sites such as this have them for $US216. It could be worth trying to get a group order together and find someone willing to freight?

[discotwinturbo]

Got a quote with freight recently....was going to save me 450....but then it was over 1000 so some import costs would be imposed. No warranty also.
So I gave it a miss.
Prefer to be robbed by the local tyre guy, then Julia any further.
Brett...

[gotaflat]

Prefer to be robbed by the local tyre guy, then Julia any further.
Brett...

Bad news....she gets you anyway with imports and taxes! :bangin:


I emailed Tread Depot last night for a freight cost and they are coming back to me with a cost. Will let you know what they come back with.

I like to support my local guy out bush - and know he is not ripping me off, they are there to make a margin and provide a service (and happy for them to do so), its the taxes and importers getting $$$ and making our prices seem very high compared to other countries.

[hydeslane]

Ok thanks for all the good advice. We love talking tyres. I'm trying to decide between the cooper Ltz and the general grabber at. Going onto a d4 19inch. Coopers at $440 - GG's at $320. Any thoughts?

[gghaggis]

If you can afford the Coopers, get them. They're a better all-rounder.

Cheers,

Gordon

[~Rich~]

Well said Gordon. Exactly my opinion too. ;)

[Disco4SE]

Me three (new convert) :)

[gotaflat]

Better than Pirelli Scorpion ATRs too?

[Disco4SE]

Better than Pirelli Scorpion ATRs too?
YEP

[gotaflat]

Cheers

[Robocop]

Photos..?

[Disco4SE]

This is the 285/60/18 version of the same tyre

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/1065.jpg

Cheers, Craig

[Robocop]

Thanks Craig they look fantastic!! Thar ARB bar you have, who cut the inner guard?

[Disco4SE]

Thanks Craig they look fantastic!! Thar ARB bar you have, who cut the inner guard?

Hi Robocop,
The bar is by Opposite Lock. The inner guard hasn't been cut back. It gets fixed to the metal water bottle protector with zip ties. Just a bit of a messy look from that angle. Can't normally see it.

Very happy with the tyres.

Cheers, Craig

[stray dingo]

Pricing is very annoying. US sites such as this have them for $US216. It could be worth trying to get a group order together and find someone willing to freight?

Maybe try Price USA | Shop where you want (http://www.priceusa.com.au) - a mob in Bendigo who arranges pricing and shipments from USA

[gotaflat]

I got a freight quote of USD320 + US45 Pallet fee (Landed Fremantle WA)

So pay the freight on Pick up (and I guess any other costs like GST or duty that may be imposed).

5 Tyres All up (with out taxes) etc that is USD1,080. + fright and Pallet = USD1,445.

On a say 1:1 FX rate (I know the AUD is higher but for argument sake and once the banks get their share, I will use 1:1).

So AUD1,445 is not bad. + GST may be $1,589.
Fitting of say $125 is all up $1,714.
I got quoted $2,500 for 5 fitted.

[discotwinturbo]

I got a freight quote of USD320 + US45 Pallet fee (Landed Fremantle WA)

So pay the freight on Pick up (and I guess any other costs like GST or duty that may be imposed).

5 Tyres All up (with out taxes) etc that is USD1,080. + fright and Pallet = USD1,445.

On a say 1:1 FX rate (I know the AUD is higher but for argument sake and once the banks get their share, I will use 1:1).

So AUD1,445 is not bad. + GST may be $1,589.
Fitting of say $125 is all up $1,714.
I got quoted $2,500 for 5 fitted.

That's certainly much better than my quote to Perth. My quote for 6 was going to add 700 in transport costs.
Brett....

[hydeslane]

Thanks for the heads up gentlemen. I'll find the cash to go for the Coopers. THen
all I need is someone to teach me to use them.

[Robocop]

Very happy with my new shoes...

Cooper Zeon 255/55/R19

And yes it is cleaning day

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[Disco4SE]

Hey Robocop,
Do they hum at all??
My 285/60/18's hum at certain speeds, but not all the time.

Cheers, Craig

[Robocop]

I've only been on local roads with the coarse bitumen & only about 2km, my wife is taking it to Melbourne on the weekend so I'll ask her how it went on real roads on Sunday.

[gghaggis]

I got a freight quote of USD320 + US45 Pallet fee (Landed Fremantle WA)

So pay the freight on Pick up (and I guess any other costs like GST or duty that may be imposed).

5 Tyres All up (with out taxes) etc that is USD1,080. + fright and Pallet = USD1,445.

On a say 1:1 FX rate (I know the AUD is higher but for argument sake and once the banks get their share, I will use 1:1).

So AUD1,445 is not bad. + GST may be $1,589.
Fitting of say $125 is all up $1,714.
I got quoted $2,500 for 5 fitted.

You also need to add import duty and port charges

Cheers,

Gordon

[Robocop]

$480 per tyre x 5 fitted. Tirepower Leeton NSW.

[~Rich~]

Hey Robocop,
Do they hum at all??
My 285/60/18's hum at certain speeds, but not all the time.

Cheers, Craig

No but they do get noisier as the wear down.
Just bought 3 more 285/60 R18's today.
Paid $397 each. ;)

[Disco4SE]

No but they do get noisier as the wear down.
Just bought 3 more 285/60 R18's today.
Paid $397 each. ;)
That's a good price Rich.
I paid $430 each

Cheers, Craig

[Robocop]

A slight hum, my last Mud terrains were BFG's they were loud. Just turn the stereo up ;-)

[WestOzD4]

This is the 285/60/18 version of the same tyre

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/03/1065.jpg

Cheers, Craig
Do the 285/60/18's fit into the same space where the Original spare tyes fits?

[Disco4SE]

Do the 285/60/18's fit into the same space where the Original spare tyes fits?
Hi WestOzD4,
Yes it does..........however you have to deflate the tyre. OK for me as I carry an ARB portable air compressor at all times.

Cheers, Craig.

BTW - Extremely happy with these tyres.

[Celtoid]

YEP


How so?

I thought that the Scorpion ATR got the thumbs up as the best ATR around.

Cheers,

Kev.

[gghaggis]

How so?

I thought that the Scorpion ATR got the thumbs up as the best ATR around.

Cheers,

Kev.

AFAIK, the LTZ wasn't included in the Australian comparison.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Celtoid]

AFAIK, the LTZ wasn't included in the Australian comparison.

Cheers,

Gordon

Damn those new kids on the block...LOL!!! :)

But seriously, they have a pretty aggresive looking tread and I'd be concerned about wet tarmac performance. I find the Scorpions as quiet and as grippy as the Wrangler OEMs....and more stable I might add.

What's the low down on all aspects of use?

Cheers,

Kev.

[Disco4SE]

Have driven in some pretty heavy rain soaked roads (both made & unmade) lately, towing trailers and can't fault them.
Grip is awsome both wet & dry.

Cheers, Craig

[~Rich~]

As I have said to many before, the only place that I can say they are less than perfect is in mud and clay. They don't seem to have too much lateral resistance to slipage.
Mind you the last 4wd's I have owned had Mud Terrains fitted!
Sand, Tarmac wet & dry, rock steps and general 4wding all excellent.

[Mudrunner]

Hey all, I joined the forum last week to research some new rubber for my D4. I have been waiting for 2 years (50,000k) for my factory rubber to wear out. We drove to Ballarat for the mothers day WE and I managed to get a roofing screw through one of my ordinary factory tyres. This was the first fault of the factory rubber, apart from getting bogged in my back yard (but thats another story). I read on this site that cooper were releasing rubber to suit a 19 inch rim. That week I emailed my local dealer who was at first unaware of this tyre. He rang cooper direct who said they would deliver 5 tyres the next day. I was put on the spot a little as I read that there would be a month or two wait. I still had a good 5000k of tread on the factory rubber, but rather than get one tyre plugged, I opted to spend the $450 per tyre to get the Zeon's. I tell you what, they are a good looking tyre, you can fit you index finger into the tread with ease. I had some ATR's on my old D40 Navara and they were pretty noisy. These Zeon's are quiet as.... A gentle Hum is all that you hear, I jumped onto the freeway and I had to turn the radio down to hear the road noise. I haven't ventured off road as yet buy I'm sure they will be as good as the ATR's. I desperately need to get away to try them out....

[gghaggis]

They don't seem to have too much lateral resistance to slipage.


Yes, same here - I drop the tyre pressures in muddy clay, which seems to help with lateral instability. Don't need to with the muddies!

Cheers,

Gordon

[boofdtl]

Just to let you guys know i can do them for $420 fitted and balanced...

Thats a 255/55/19 cooper zeon ltz 111H

[ballan]

Just to let you guys know i can do them for $420 fitted and balanced...

Thats a 255/55/19 cooper zeon ltz 111H

Good to know. I'll be in touch in the next day or two. Is there any lead time on these?

[ballan]

Got the Coopers fitted today (thanks to the boys at Tyrepower Camberwell who also fixed my way out alignment).

Feedback on the noise compared to the OEMs. I don't think these are any noisier at all. Probably because the old tyres had nearly 60k on them but I'm very happy. Ride is probably a bit firmer at 38psi but will leave them at this for wear and noise.

Thanks Michaell and Sam. Very happy

[boofdtl]

Got the Coopers fitted today (thanks to the boys at Tyrepower Camberwell who also fixed my way out alignment).

Feedback on the noise compared to the OEMs. I don't think these are any noisier at all. Probably because the old tyres had nearly 60k on them but I'm very happy. Ride is probably a bit firmer at 38psi but will leave them at this for wear and noise.

Thanks Michaell and Sam. Very happy

Thanks mate as i said any probs just let me know anytime..

[Goaroving]

Hi I just joined last week after looking around the website before buying a Land Rover and I'm happy to say I picked a 2nd hand Discovery 4 three weeks ago and am delighted with it. As part of the deal I had new Coopers 255/55R19 Zeon LTZ's fitted. After about 1,000km while on the freeway it developed a vibration at about 100kmh. Checked with Coopers and they advised that the tyre can shift on the bead after about a 1,000 k's and develop a harmonic vibration. You need to get the tyres rebalanced. That worked and haven't had a problem since. Next month I'm taking it to Central Australia for a run.

[elsey]

Goaroving welcome to our community, I am sure that you will continue to be delighted with your choice of vehicle.

Enjoy your trip to the Center.

On your return it would be good if you posted a short summation of the Cooper's performance during your trip. As the choice of a good AT tyre is important to most members they would be interested in a first hand report.

Lou...

[Meccles]

Had a pair of Cooper Zeons 275/45 R20's delivered and fitted the other day (going on the trailer very long story but will end up with Stormer rims etc on car and trailer) one took a heap of weight to get balanced. Tried rotating tyre/ and turning 180. 300 grams on one side which has raised my eyebrows. As going on trailer no real issue but I was curious. Feedback from fitter was "yeah we have had some real issues with balancing the Coopers". Just small talk from uninterested fitter? Tyres look the business but looking at all weights on one side has me somewhat concerned. Was thinking of taking this one wheel elsewhere for second opinion.

[boofdtl]

I would go and get it looked at again get them to try fliping the tyre on the rim as well you have 8 main points to try just comes down to the fitter but some times its just the tyre as well...

[Prokiwi]

Had a pair of Cooper Zeons 275/45 R20's delivered and fitted the other day (going on the trailer very long story but will end up with Stormer rims etc on car and trailer) one took a heap of weight to get balanced. Tried rotating tyre/ and turning 180. 300 grams on one side which has raised my eyebrows. As going on trailer no real issue but I was curious. Feedback from fitter was "yeah we have had some real issues with balancing the Coopers". Just small talk from uninterested fitter? Tyres look the business but looking at all weights on one side has me somewhat concerned. Was thinking of taking this one wheel elsewhere for second opinion.

Isn't that size illegal in QLD. I was going to do the same but got told it is outside the current allowance for tyre size in QLD. How do you think they will perform offroad in the 20"". Id love to do the same

[Meccles]

At the recent Brisbane 4wd and tinnie show Coopers had large display on that the highlight was the 19" zeons for disco's/rrs. I asked about the 20"s as am aware that it falls just outside the current legal QLD rules. Was told by the head honcho there (forget his name, tall guy, white stetson,)that QLD was moving to be more in line with other states, and that they anticipated that by June they expected the changes to be implemented. I have only so far bought these for the trailer. Next step later is for car. They look the goods though.

[robfitz]

Just done 9600km on Great Central road, around Kakadu , Litchfield,Gibb River Road Marble Bar, Nullagine and back to Perth. One puncture (slow Leak caused by Teck screw) in Broome.Averaged over 85kmh including 7days in Darwin and 2 days in Broome. Thoroughly Recommended!

[Prokiwi]

Robfitz, did you have 19"s or 20" ??

[Plane Fixer]

I have just done a trek to Chambers Pillar and went on a very sharp rocky track near Trephina Gorge and no probs, also Mereenie Loop.
So far no chipping or cuts and very impressed.
Soon we will be going to the Bungles and then to Mt Augustus as well. So far I have confidence in the tyres, but I do take things carefully remembering they are 19'
Graeme (another one)

[discotwinturbo]

I have just done a trek to Chambers Pillar and went on a very sharp rocky track near Trephina Gorge and no probs, also Mereenie Loop.
So far no chipping or cuts and very impressed.
Soon we will be going to the Bungles and then to Mt Augustus as well. So far I have confidence in the tyres, but I do take things carefully remembering they are 19'
Graeme (another one)

Graeme, off topic, but you should take the short cut from my Augustus up to Tom price.....a lovely drive with great views. You probably won't see anyone but it's not that far. A descent number of washouts but easy enough with our 18 foot trailer.

Brett...

[Plane Fixer]

Brett.... Years ago I did the trip from Paraburdoo via Ashburton and the Pingandy road and was a great trip. If that is the road you mean I was advised by the council the road was nearly impassable a month ago. If you have recently done it I will certainly go that way as it will enable me to do a round trip without backtracking. Pease let me know when you did it.
Graeme

[discotwinturbo]

Last time I travelled this road there was a lot of very big puddles on the mt Augusta side. I just drove around the edges. Once you start to climb, I could not imagine water sitting there for long, but I would say that it could get very wet, based on the size of some of the washaways. Local knowledge is important, but best to check on exploroz as you will find someone that would have travelled it closer to when to go.
Rangers have tried to turn my off on many roads over the years, and a quick checkup on exploroz confirmed that they must not have been on those roads in very recent times.
Like everything look at all advice, and remember that some talk about how bad roads are, and they are not that bad at all.
Enjoy your trip when you do it.
Brett.....

[discotwinturbo]

Oopss.....May 2012...around the 17th. Have been on the road a couple of times. All generally between may and July.

Rain in Perth has been dismal...not sure about that area.

Brett..

[discotwinturbo]

Ashburton downs Meeka road formed part of it.

http://www.ashburton.wa.gov.au/library/file/ROAD%20REPORTS_(3).doc

Road report for that road is open.....with extreme caution.

Can't remember the name of the road that turns off and heads towards mt Augustus.

Brett....

[LGM]

I have watched / read the various posts on tyres as I come up for tyre renewal. I wanted to make some comment on the wear or should I say lack of wear of the factory fitted rubber.

My D4 3.0l came fitted with Continental Conti 4X4 contact tyres which have performed well from a road holding and noise perspective. However I have only had my vehicle since September 2011 and travelled a tad over 31,000km and the tyres are now down to the minimum legal level. The tyres have worn evenly on all four corners of the vehicle and I have not had a problem with uneven wear or tyres scrubbing due to wheel alignment. Basically they just don't last!

Most of my driving is at 110km/h on the highway. No stop start stuff and only one set of traffic lights to contend with in the daily grind. I was wondering if traveling at highway speeds most of the time has anything to do with what I believe is accelerated wear?

My search for new tyres has born out the comments on this thread re the suppliers of tyres in Perth and I will be heading to Custom Tyre Power for my new rubber which will be Cooper Zeon LTZ 255/55/19

The price differential over the same type of tyres was staggering with quotes for the coopers from $410 fiited and balanced through to $490 for the same tyre from another outlet. I did check the GG AT and they came in at $445 with the Pirelli at $510!

I guess the prices reflect living on the 'Far Side' if some of the prices mentioned in this thread are anything to go by. Oh well I guess I will just have to send the credit card into melt down!

[Celtoid]

I have watched / read the various posts on tyres as I come up for tyre renewal. I wanted to make some comment on the wear or should I say lack of wear of the factory fitted rubber.

My D4 3.0l came fitted with Continental Conti 4X4 contact tyres which have performed well from a road holding and noise perspective. However I have only had my vehicle since September 2011 and travelled a tad over 31,000km and the tyres are now down to the minimum legal level. The tyres have worn evenly on all four corners of the vehicle and I have not had a problem with uneven wear or tyres scrubbing due to wheel alignment. Basically they just don't last!

Most of my driving is at 110km/h on the highway. No stop start stuff and only one set of traffic lights to contend with in the daily grind. I was wondering if traveling at highway speeds most of the time has anything to do with what I believe is accelerated wear?

My search for new tyres has born out the comments on this thread re the suppliers of tyres in Perth and I will be heading to Custom Tyre Power for my new rubber which will be Cooper Zeon LTZ 255/55/19

The price differential over the same type of tyres was staggering with quotes for the coopers from $410 fiited and balanced through to $490 for the same tyre from another outlet. I did check the GG AT and they came in at $445 with the Pirelli at $510!

I guess the prices reflect living on the 'Far Side' if some of the prices mentioned in this thread are anything to go by. Oh well I guess I will just have to send the credit card into melt down!

I can't comment on the other brands but it cost me (after a lot of shopping around) $495 per tyre for the Scorpion ATRs (fitted and balanced...not aligned, due to the TTM need).

That's in Brisbane and it was a fair time ago.

My wife then tore the side wall out of one of them a week later...:mad:.

Cheers,

Kev.

[LGM]

Did you keep your cool when she told you?

[Celtoid]

Did you keep your cool when she told you?

Yeah, I'm used to her breaking my toys.....LOL!!!

Nah, innocent occurance. She parked at the side of the road where the gutter was full of leaves. It was next to a renovation site, I'm assuming something was in the leaves...a piece of rod or something. The tyres are pretty tuff and this just went straight through it.

The LR road-side assist guy did make a comment about the 'hairs' on the side of the tyre....LOL!!!

[SBD4]

I have watched / read the various posts on tyres as I come up for tyre renewal. I wanted to make some comment on the wear or should I say lack of wear of the factory fitted rubber.

My D4 3.0l came fitted with Continental Conti 4X4 contact tyres which have performed well from a road holding and noise perspective. However I have only had my vehicle since September 2011 and travelled a tad over 31,000km and the tyres are now down to the minimum legal level. The tyres have worn evenly on all four corners of the vehicle and I have not had a problem with uneven wear or tyres scrubbing due to wheel alignment. Basically they just don't last!

Most of my driving is at 110km/h on the highway. No stop start stuff and only one set of traffic lights to contend with in the daily grind. I was wondering if traveling at highway speeds most of the time has anything to do with what I believe is accelerated wear?

My search for new tyres has born out the comments on this thread re the suppliers of tyres in Perth and I will be heading to Custom Tyre Power for my new rubber which will be Cooper Zeon LTZ 255/55/19

The price differential over the same type of tyres was staggering with quotes for the coopers from $410 fiited and balanced through to $490 for the same tyre from another outlet. I did check the GG AT and they came in at $445 with the Pirelli at $510!

I guess the prices reflect living on the 'Far Side' if some of the prices mentioned in this thread are anything to go by. Oh well I guess I will just have to send the credit card into melt down!

Mine came with the Goodyear Wranglers as the OEM tyre. They lasted 54k. Most of my driving is on the highway - similar to you. I don't think that your driving situation is a major factor in the quick tyre wear. They must be a very soft tyre.

I put the GG AT on in April 12 for $287 fitted $445 is crazy.

[LGM]

Yeah, I am begining to think that the only thing missing from some tyre dealers is a mask and a gun! :mad:

Short of driving the Nullabor (again) I have to pay what they ask or go without!

[roamer]

Have you tried tirerack USA.

Worked for me

Cheers Ken

[boofdtl]

I can do them for $420 fitted and balanced got 8 in stock at this time

[LGM]

Camberwell is a long way from Dongara!

[Goaroving]

Just came back from a trip to Central Australia in my D4 SE. Mostly black top but excursions to Finke Gorge, painted hills and down the Oodnadatta Track were included. The 19 inch Cooper LTD's were extremely good under all conditions and I thoroughly recommend them. Obviously a bit noisier than the factory fitted tyres though.

[LGM]

Cooper Zeons fitted to my D4 last week.

Trip home (375km) was fine. I could just hear a slight hum from the tyres! Mind you I am partly deaf in one ear.

Yet to try any dirt road or off road and I trust this rubber will outlast the 31,000ks I got from the Continental tyres!:)

[Mike_S]

I'm on my 2nd set of Pirelli ATR's in the 255/55/19 size. I know they cost more than the competition but if I get the same life out of this set as the 1st I'll be happy. 1st set lasted 80k (over 50,000 miles), I still have 2 of them with 5mm on as spares.

[gazcoonar]

Hi guys - I have a Dicovery 3 HSE with 19inch wheels. 90% of my driving is in Melbourne. I do like to take the beast out on tracks ocassionaly but nothing too serious. I am looking at changing my OEM tyres and am thinking of the Cooper Zeon LTZ 255 55 19. My local Tyrepower dealer is quoting $389 fitted or I can go the General Grabber for $289 fitted..

What should I go for? so far from the thread it seems like people are saying that Coopers are worth the extra dollars, but for someone who is doing more city driving, are Coopers still the better option?

[boofdtl]

Mate if you can get the coopers at that cost get them BUT mate sure there not parallel because you will have no come back at all on them...
For the the GGAT i do for $280 fitted and balanced...

[gazcoonar]

Mate if you can get the coopers at that cost get them BUT mate sure there not parallel because you will have no come back at all on them...
For the the GGAT i do for $280 fitted and balanced...

Hi mate

What do you mean by parrallel? How can I tell if they are parrallel or not?

What are your thoughts on the GGAT - for the driving that I do, do you think that they would be sufficient?

Actually how many tyrepowers are in Hawthorn? I have been quoted by tyrepower howthorn, and it seems like you are from a Tyrepower in Hawthorn as well...??

[boofdtl]

No i am from tyrepower camberwell up the road from THEM

[Plane Fixer]

Gazcoonar
I have the 19"Cooper LTZ and they are a great tyre as I did 17000km around Oz and rough tracks in the outback.
They are a great and very tough tyre but there is a low level hum from them on the bitumen, plus I like to save them for the rough stuff.
That is why I have put my Wranglers back on for my 90% bitumen road for the fact they are very quiet. When the Wranglers wear out I will go for a Pirelli or some such highway tread ATR type of tyre and use the Cooper for heavy duty off road.
It is my opinion for what it is worth.
Graeme (the other one)

[chuck]

I have the GG AT's and are very happy with them.

Noticed that the rim protectors work well & seem to stick out to protect rims from scrapes.

From the amount of mud they leave over my car I can assume they they clear well.


Cheers

[Glendaragh]

I replaced my original goodyear wranglers at around 12,000K as I wasn't happy the way they were wearing and wanted to go to a more aggressive tread for off road work.

I replaced them with General Grabbers 255/55/19. The GG made marginally more noise than the wranglers. I did a trip to the Kimberley this year and did over 2,500 K of punishing dirt on the Gibb River road. Yes, I know the Gibb river road is only about 670K long, but I went up every side attraction including the Kalumburu road to Mitchell Falls. I reckon I did around 3000K on dirt by the time I got back to QLD.

As for my opinion on the General Grabbers, I think they are rubbish as I did 3 of them on the Gibb river adventure. 2 were crown damage and the other was sidewall. I was running them between 30 and 35 psi. It is recommended to run 10 psi below normal and slow down to 80 kph on the Gibb river to prevent crown damage due to very sharp rocks. The rocks in WA are sharp and not rounded like most of the ones in QLD. The one that gave me the sidewall damage was shaped like an axe head.

Luckily I was able to keep going as I had taken with me an extra spare and had to get an additional tyre sent from Kunnunura down to Drysdale Station. Incidently I travelled the Gibb river adventure with another D4 owner and he had Pirelli Scorpions and he did not have any issues. We were both towing campers so I think the comparison is like for like.

As I said I'm not a happy camper with the General Grabbers and had no confidence in them whatsoever to the point that when I got back to Kunnurra I had them changed out to the Cooper LTZ's. I found that the Coopers were considerably more noisy than the GG's which were only marginally louder than the wranglers.

So far I'm happy with the Coopers, I can tolerate a bit more noise as its not an issue to me. I like their aggressive tread, more aggressive than the GG's. I've only done about 5,000 K on them and running them at 40 psi and most of it has been on tar.

[gazcoonar]

Shout out to the Tyrepower camberwell boys. Boofdtl did a great job fitting out the beast with Cooper ltzs. The car is driving fantastic - not sure if it is the new tyres or the wheel alignment that he fixed up.. Very happy overall....

[MichaelJR]

Hi,
I have just bought a MY12 D4SE. I am planning on going up the Oodnadatta T and onto Alice and Chambers Pillar next year from near the ACT. I have the factory fitted M+S 19 Goodyear Wranglers. As well as the spare, I will take an additional tyre.

Do people think these tyres will suffice or am I being naive?

Any advice please.

Thanks
Michael

[Plane Fixer]

Hi Michael
I returned a few months ago from Chambers Pillar and I can assure you the track will rip the Goodyears to shreds as there are a lot of stones as well as sand.
The road to Maryvale Station is not too bad but very stoney in places but when you leave Maryvale is where the track gets bad.
I bought a set of Cooper LTZ (19") and used them for the trip and afterwards put the Goodyear back on for the bitumen trips.
I have not travelled on the Oodnadatta track but I have heard it is a tyre shredder; look up the Pink Roadhouse site for further info.
Cheers, Graeme (The other one)

[MichaelJR]

Thanks Graeme (The Other One)
Sounds like a sensible strategy as I will no doubt be buying a full set to replace the GYears anyway.:)

[MichaelJR]

Thanks again Graeme (and everyone else). Best quote I can get in Canberra is $475 fitted etc each for 5 tyres (small market). Will also get an extra tyre to take away as a second spare. Managed to get them to throw in a re-fitting of the GYears when I return. Both suppliers I spoke with initially said that the Coopers LTZ didn't come in 19" but thanks to this thread I was able to persevere and once they looked past their outdated hard copy information they were able to supply. Sounds like Coopers still have some marketing to do with the suppliers.

Cheers
Michael

MY12 D4 SE

[phl]

Has anyone got the dealers to fit the 19" Coopers before delivery? If so, how much, if anything, extra were you charged?

I'm tossing between getting it all done for convenience vs driving down the road and waiting for them to be changed. Also not sure if I'd get a credit for the 4 tyres if I do the drive.

[jon3950]

Waiting on a price for this myself (must be patient, only been waiting a week).

Maybe our friend could do a deal on 10.

Cheers,
Jon

[discotwinturbo]

Change over for me was $700 by the tyre place the dealer dealt with. They are still classed as not new tyres, as they have still be driven on.

I decided to keep the factory tyres and rims, for around town and purchase better tyres (bigger) and GOE rims.

Brett...

[phl]

Waiting on a price for this myself (must be patient, only been waiting a week).

Maybe our friend could do a deal on 10.


Good idea! I think you'll get yours a few weeks before I do, and seeing as we were both stuffed around, he might come to the party, and do the change-over for nix. Hence my asking around so I get an idea if the price is good or not.

[phl]

Change over for me was $700 by the tyre place the dealer dealt with.

That's still pretty good, rather than paying over $2000 for a complete new set.

[chuck]

I had my OEM tyres changed over to GG AT's on delivery of the D4 and was considerably less out of pocket

Interestingly the OEM wranglers are considerably more expensive than either the Coopers or GG's.

When I bought the Prado I was only $500.00 out of pocket for the MT ATZ's in a bigger size.

Cheers

[ramblingboy42]

Some interesting comments on here. FWiW, I have observed that the most popular tyre on stations around the Strezlecki, Birdsville,Oodnadatta areas is the Goodyear Wrangler. Now these cockies will drop anything like a hot potato if its heard to be no good. Some of them have a lot of vehicles and they hate changing tyres.....thats why you will never see Coopers out there. Coopers beer, yes, but not rubber. Next time any of you are in an outback pub, ask the locals about tyres.....you'll get some interesting replies about brands, sizes and operating pressures.....as I said, they hate changing them so the bush telegraph puts the word around on whats good.

[Graeme]

Some interesting comments on here. FWiW, I have observed that the most popular tyre on stations around the Strezlecki, Birdsville,Oodnadatta areas is the Goodyear Wrangler.
Which ones though? There's a huge difference in durability between the D4 OEM tyres and MTRs, Duratracs, Silent Armor (in LT) etc.

[Canaussie]

Ordered 5 x 285 60 18 for my D4 today!!

1370$ shipped to my door!!:D

[tuffrangie]

Ordered 5 x 285 60 18 for my D4 today!!

1370$ shipped to my door!!:D

Where from mate? everywhere i get quotes shipping is the killer!

[rufusking]

$250 each plus free del. if pickup from transport depot.

285/60/18 2856018 120S COOPER LTZ - Made in U.S.A | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285-60-18-2856018-120S-COOPER-LTZ-Made-in-U-S-A-/261188718133?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cd00f8e35&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_922)

[Canaussie]

Those are the ones I got only 5 left!!

[Gribbsmy13]

Has anyone had the dealer swap these out before delivery in nsw lately? I'm negotiating a package this weekend and was hoping to get a better idea on changeover, cheers.

[phl]

I had negotiated a swap, but at the last minute the tyre place pulled the plug as he had 3 full sets he couldn't sell easily. The dealer concerned also hadn't ordered the tyres the day before, so it would have been either a delay of delivery over Easter, or use the Wranglers for now. I'll just use then for a month or two, and change then before I go off-road.

[Canaussie]

Ya they arrived today!!
58480

[~Rich~]

Thats a great saving!
$150 a tyre on what I paid last year. :(

[Canaussie]

Thats a great saving!
$150 a tyre on what I paid last year. :(

Just happen to come across a great deal on evil bay! How have the tyres worn for you and have you enjoyed them off road?

[~Rich~]

I'm on my second set!
I'm running my GG AT's at the moment and swap when I need the decent off road rubber.
I gave this current set hell in the Simpson including 6 days cross country, all 3 vehicles managed to do the trip without a puncture or staking.
The rear ones are more chipped than the front due to both the load and being pelted by stone flicked up from the fronts.

[Canaussie]

I'm on my second set!
I'm running my GG AT's at the moment and swap when I need the decent off road rubber.
I gave this current set hell in the Simpson including 6 days cross country, all 3 vehicles managed to do the trip without a puncture or staking.
The rear ones are more chipped than the front due to both the load and being pelted by stone flicked up from the fronts.

Thanks mate! Can't wait to get them on, they are a lot bigger that's for sure

[~Rich~]

http://youtu.be/QyF46v9PXP8And go out and do this:
Discovery 3 up & over Big Red #2 The Simpson Desert - YouTube (http://youtu.be/QyF46v9PXP8)

I'm sure the bigger / wider rubber helps heaps!

[Canaussie]

That's awesome! Are you using rods or llams?

Cheers Billy

[~Rich~]

LLAMS. ;)

[elsey]

Has anyone running LTZs experienced cracks in the side walls? I have read a number of reports where users, both here in Aust and o/s, have claimed to have had that problem with LTZs, some have supposedly been replaced by Cooper (some more than once) but they still experienced side wall cracking with the replacements. I don't know how reliable these consumer product reviews are?

I am thinking that I will get a set of LTZs (19s) as they seem the best option, just thought that I would ask the question anyway.

Thanks

Lou

[discotwinturbo]

Has anyone running LTZs experienced cracks in the side walls? I have read a number of reports where users, both here in Aust and o/s, have claimed to have had that problem with LTZs, some have supposedly been replaced by Cooper (some more than once) but they still experienced side wall cracking with the replacements. I don't know how reliable these consumer product reviews are?

I am thinking that I will get a set of LTZs (19s) as they seem the best option, just thought that I would ask the question anyway.

Thanks

Lou

So far so good with my Coopers.

I don't use them around town though. They only go on for weekends away, towing the 2.5 tonne Caravan, and loaded to the hilt....have only done 7537kms, but very careful with pressures, very low when needed. They still look like new and I have given them curry.

Brett....

[LGM]

Lou,

My D4 3.0L has now done 21,000ks on my Cooper Zeon LTZ 255/55/19s. So far so good. No cracking in the sidewalls that I can see! Tread depth has gone from 13mm down to 8.2mm which if my fat thumbs on the calculator are correct should see these tyres last for around 56,000ks all up.

Way better than the Contis that came with the D4 and were stuffed at 32,000ks

Lindsay

[Fred Nerk]

Thanks to all contributors to this and other tyre threads. Easter was the last straw for my Wranglers. After 39000km all 6 are wrecked. Two destroyed driving around the tracks of Wichelina Station (South of Maree). Lots of mud and rocks and sand. The remaining four tyres were deemed unsafe with side wall cuts and wires sticking out etc etc. Tyre guy said we were lucky to get home....I had been pampering them all the way back to the Adelaide Hills.

Today I bought 6 Coopers Zeon LTZs and the ride is better straight away. Now that I know the baseline tolerance of Wranglers (pretty low) I can start to put the Coopers through their paces and make a comparison.

(I have a MY12 D4 HSE)

[landoman]

Lou,

My D4 3.0L has now done 21,000ks on my Cooper Zeon LTZ 255/55/19s. So far so good. No cracking in the sidewalls that I can see! Tread depth has gone from 13mm down to 8.2mm which if my fat thumbs on the calculator are correct should see these tyres last for around 56,000ks all up.

Way better than the Contis that came with the D4 and were stuffed at 32,000ks

Lindsay

Going to fit a set of these this week ...................what sort of pressures is best on the tarmac and around town .....

[LGM]

Hi Landoman,

In answer to your question, I run my Cooper Zeons at 34psi on the front and 38psi on the rear which is a couple of PSI above the recommend pressures on the door sticker. Oh, and I have rotated all 5 tyres at twice in the 21,000ks travelled thus far.

LGM

[eddomak]

I have been using mine for a month now, mainly around town, and some highways, and one day on a short 4WD course. I found the ride to be instantly better in terms of the stiffness the sidewalls have when cornering hard, and no noticeable noise increase at all either around town or on the highway, and I like driving without the radio/CD on.

Definitely a nice tyre so far!

[MichaelJR]

I drive my LTZ at 40psi cold on the black top. No problems after 6,000kms. Did some off road in the Brindabella's yesterday. Took them down to 25psi and was a bit concerned with the bulging sidewall (especially when resting on a small mound as looked ok when on the flat) so put them up to 30psi. Went really well over some shaley rocks. I was reminded though that theses tyres are passenger tyres and not light truck, despite the "LT" with no ply. Driving the Oodnadatta track next week and plan on running them at about 28psi.
Cheers

[landoman]

Hi Landoman,

In answer to your question, I run my Cooper Zeons at 34psi on the front and 38psi on the rear which is a couple of PSI above the recommend pressures on the door sticker. Oh, and I have rotated all 5 tyres at twice in the 21,000ks travelled thus far.

LGM
Can I ask ....why 2 lbs more front and back .......i have always ran my OEM wranglers as per the labels ................is there a reason for the little extra on the coopers ?

[Canaussie]

Doesn't the label on the door state to put more in the rear tyres??

[jon3950]

+1 for 34/38 cold front/rear on road. Early days yet but off-road have been running at 34/38 hot which was taking about 4psi out. Seems to work ok - noticeable increase in grip but not much bulge in the sidewalls and no damage. Will probably drop a little more as I gain confidence in the tyres and the 19" rims.


Can I ask ....why 2 lbs more front and back .......i have always ran my OEM wranglers as per the labels ................is there a reason for the little extra on the coopers ?

Generally speaking, manufactures aim for comfort when specifying tyre pressures. Adding a few pounds will usually improve handling and grip levels on bitumen. Generally the opposite is true on dirt.

Cheers,
Jon

[LGM]

Landoman

Wot Jon3950 said (the second bit)!

Wear across the tyre tread/s seems even to me.

LGM

[landoman]

Had the coopers fitted yesterday ......and the fitting shop set them at 40 psi ....front and back .....they said this would be better for wear on the bitumen they also said could put a few more lbs in the back ....they feel good on the road .....but would take that pressure down on a good stoney run like the oonadatta track .......and it looks like from above posts 28 looks a good number for that right ?

[MichaelJR]

Had the coopers fitted yesterday ......and the fitting shop set them at 40 psi ....front and back .....they said this would be better for wear on the bitumen they also said could put a few more lbs in the back ....they feel good on the road .....but would take that pressure down on a good stoney run like the oonadatta track .......and it looks like from above posts 28 looks a good number for that right ?

Hey Landoman,
That's also what I was advised by the fitter. At the moment I run them at 40 psi cold on the bitumen but plan on running them at 30 psi hot (or 26 cold) on the Oodnadatta. Will let you know how they went in about 4 weeks when I get back.
Cheers

[Canaussie]

Well someone likes the new tyres lol59111

[canga]

It is time to take my RRS off the bitumen and so I went looking for a set of Cooper Zeons. Was offered $380 each for four tyres from Blayney Tyrepower, naturally I took it and had them fitted to the car today. Driving home the car felt better in corners than previously with the standard Goodyear tyres and hardly any extra noise. I am happy! :)

[MichaelJR]

Hey Landoman,
That's also what I was advised by the fitter. At the moment I run them at 40 psi cold on the bitumen but plan on running them at 30 psi hot (or 26 cold) on the Oodnadatta. Will let you know how they went in about 4 weeks when I get back.
Cheers

Hi Landoman (and others)
Just got back today after 7,000km around central Australia. Ran the tyres at 38 psi cold on the bitumen as this took some of the bumpiness out of the trip (outback bitumen not as smooth as those on the east coast). Ran the tyres at 28psi cold (32psi hot) on the Oodnadatta track and they were excellent with no problems whatsoever. Car was fully loaded with 4 occupants (not towing) and I generally didn't exceed 80km per hr. On another part of the trip through The Flinders Ranges when talking to the tyre power bloke in passing at Hawker, he said he rarely sees side wall damage but mainly tred, indicating people generally run the psi too high. He did however say he has repaired several rims from people going too fast over cattle grates when they have low psi.
Hope this helps
Michael

[Horto22]

I've just order my 3 set of Zeno LTZ in 285/50*20 for my D4. Excellent alround tyre. My first set did 50,000km and still had plenty of life but decided to put a fresh set on for a snow trip. My second set also did 50,000km including a30,000km around Aus trip, heavily loaded and towing 3 ton van.

The D4 was a superb tow/touring vehicle and was faultless except for needing a new battery in Darwin. No punctures or flats for the whole trip And we did plenty of offroad/ outback tracks, including gib river, mitchel platue, cape leveque, bungles, Fraser Island, and plenty of beach driving. I used exact same pressure I would have if running conventional 4x4 tyres ie 25-28 psi on corrugated roads and down to 15psi on soft sand. Whilst i think you need to be more watch for sharp square edged rocks etc you can through car around a lot more in the turns without having to worry about excessive tyre roll or rolling tyre of the bead when running low pressures. This set was pretty worn out after a hard 50,000 Kim's. On road they are great but can be susepable to aqua planning in severe wet conditions, partly a function of tyre pattern and partly due to extra width of the 285,s. could recomended them more highly. You will experience slight rubbing in the front wheel wells with this size but it only touches the main chasis frame at full lock but doesn't need any action.

Cheers Horto

[chuck]

Horto

I know we have spoken before but do they fit in the spare wheel well.

[Mudrunner]

Yes, I forked out for 5 tyres and no issues with the spare fitting correctly underneath.
Shane.

[Canaussie]

Tyres on, they look terrific!!602546025560256

[~Rich~]

Put them next to the standard tyres - BIG DIFFERENCE!

[Canaussie]

Huge difference! Can't wait to give em a go. They balanced up real nice as well barely any weights! Impressed

[phl]

Sounds silly, but my fuel consumption with the Zeon, which were just fitted, seems to have improved.

Does anyone know if the outer diameter of the Zeon is the same as the Wranglers, or are wider?

Do noticed increased noise (just; the sound proofing (I think using 3M soundproofing batts) in the D4 is excellent), but so far in Monsoon season in Sydney, grip seems to be fine.

[discotwinturbo]

Sounds silly, but my fuel consumption with the Zeon, which were just fitted, seems to have improved.

Does anyone know if the outer diameter of the Zeon is the same as the Wranglers, or are wider?

Do noticed increased noise (just; the sound proofing (I think using 3M soundproofing batts) in the D4 is excellent), but so far in Monsoon season in Sydney, grip seems to be fine.

Same thing happened to me on two new sets for each car, for exactly one fill up each.....then it became the same.

I had no idea why.

Brett....

[Gribbsmy13]

Out of interest how much are people paying for these at the moment?

[eddomak]

Out of interest how much are people paying for these at the moment?

The cheapest quote I got a couple of months ago was $425ea fitted and balanced from TyrePower in Artarmon, Sydney. Hope this helps.

[disco4now]

I picked up 4 for $275.00 each 3 months ago from this guy.
Don Cornell's Tyre Service
Bexley NSW
He had other size cooper tyres on ebay so I rang and ask if he had the Zeon LTZ 255/55/19 and he did at price above. I went over and picked them up as seemed too good. They were the real thing. That price included fitting but I delined that based on a google search and not wanting them on straight away, some negative comments about their work if you search, but I had no issue dealing with them. He seemed to be shipping tyres all over the place via courier when I was there.
Anyway I have 7,000K on them now, a lot of dirt via savanah way and gibb river and up to cape leveque, sitting at Broome now. I have the four zeons on and the two general grabbers AT from the previous set as spares, no punctures on car.
Regards
Gerry

[jon3950]

I paid $350 for one at Artarmon Tyrepower a couple of weeks ago

Cheers,
Jon

[TerryO]

Shame they don't offer at least one decent larger size in the Zions for 19" rims. If they did then one might get by in most cases without needing to buy 18" rims.

[~Rich~]

Yes Terry, the same can be said for most MT tyres as well. Pity not many to suit the D3, D4 and RRS particularly in anything other than 17"s

[eddomak]

I picked up 4 for $275.00 each 3 months ago from this guy.
Don Cornell's Tyre Service
Bexley NSW

Wow! That's a good price! Maybe us 19 inch owners are finally getting the volume we need. :)

[phl]

Got my 5 for $360 fitted and balanced at Artarmon Tyrepower; there was apparently a price rise recently, as had expected a lower price. Unfortunately they are no longer accepting the Wranglers for a trade in, so I was trying to get a few more kms out of them.

The Cooper mileage warranty is a good money making venture; if you want the warranty, you end up paying equivalent for another two sets fitted and balanced.

[Gribbsmy13]

Best I've seen in Newcastle area is 420 per tyre do might be worth a trip to sydney when time comes

[JamesH]

Anyway I have 7,000K on them now, a lot of dirt via savanah way and gibb river and up to cape leveque, sitting at Broome now. I have the four zeons on and the two general grabbers AT from the previous set as spares, no punctures on car.
Regards
Gerry

Thanks, this is exactly what i want to hear, as you've described my intended use prezactly. I've read a lot of bad stuff about Coopers on AULRO over the years, which gives me the fear a bit. I'm going to stick with the Grabbers until they're ready to be changed, who knows maybe something like Duratec will appear in the next 18 months or so.

[Gribbsmy13]

Gerry, would you say the coopers or the gg's are the better buy?

[~Rich~]

Better buy or better tyre?
The GG's are great value and an ok tyre, not great offroad as they are weak in the sidewall.
The Coopers are a better tyre, better on the road and off road as well.
Both are pretty average in mud!

[disco4now]

Gerry, would you say the coopers or the gg's are the better buy?
I have had no trouble with either set. I got the GG's for cape york trip before coopers where around and also had 10 day high country trip in them. Never had a puncture but always looked where i was going. I went to Coopers based on comments on here about Coopers having stronger sidewalls and rocks being sharper in Kimberly. I reckon rocks are much sharper in many places on this trip, mosly keep and eye out an miss big ones and as towing the van never too fast. As I got coopers for $275 about same as GGs it was not a hard decision.
I would have paid a bit more for them if I had to based on stronger side wall theory, as last thing you need to do is look for another 19'' tyre out here.
Regards
Gerry

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/07/1574.jpg

Thats not a flat, just missing.

[MADDOG]

Anyone got any pictures of RRS with 20" zeon's fitted?

[discotwinturbo]

How about this ?

Brett....

[Meccles]

I have four 275/45 R20 Cooper Zeon LTZ sitting in the shed waiting to go on a car....pity I don't have a car.....as like always it is still in the shop being "investigated". Maybe when JLR replace this one I can fit the tyres and take some pictures...:)

[SBD4]

I have four 275/45 R20 Cooper Zeon LTZ sitting in the shed waiting to go on a car....pity I don't have a car.....as like always it is still in the shop being "investigated". Maybe when JLR replace this one I can fit the tyres and take some pictures...:)

I hope you are getting somewhere with your car woes Meccles.

[MADDOG]

That looks awesome!

Anyone used them offroad? I'd like to get away with keeping my existing rims for 4wdriving but not sure about tyre wall sizing and damage to rims

[Canaussie]

Well I've just come all the way up the coast raid from cairns to cape Melville on them and no dramas what so ever. Also done the development rd from musgrave to wiepa today and all good! Hit a big hole, and I mean big at about 70kph outside of Coen today and tyres had no dramas, even though I thought my wife was gonna beat me to a pulp, the disco even got some air time!! I **** myself

[dunmyway]

Have just put on Hangkook Dynapro ATR $317 each from Jacs Brisbane 19 inch.Very good to date . They have really good reviews on various forums on the net.

[MADDOG]

is it possible to fit 275/55 R20

[discotwinturbo]

is it possible to fit 275/55 R20

See attached conversion.
I get slight rubbing with my 285/60-18...you would get more rubbing, and need more mods I guess.

Brett...

[MADDOG]

Cool Thanks

[drowell]

I just bought a set and given I am fussy they are very quiet. I had a set of MTRs which were stupidly noisy. I have not had them in the bush yet but they look like a sensible tread pattern for my style. Moderate off reading, desert driving and towing a TVan.
I got mine for 360 each. The dealer misquoted but lived up to his promise. Given I also had them fit TPMS transmitters and swapping wheels to various locations. Including the trailer there were 10 tyres and spares to fit. They charged me for supply fit and balance of only the 6 tyres I purchased. Very happy.
Must say they have a very slight run out and occasionally have a tiny wobble but no worse than the MTRS or the Duelers I had on my Xc90 which saw the far side of Big Red.

[MADDOG]

what size did you get drowell?

[rialto]

One way to deal with larger tyres/rims is to increase travel height.

LR3 Lift Kit - Johnson Rods - Range Rover Sport Lift Kit (http://johnsonrods.com/index.html)

Rialto

[discotwinturbo]

One way to deal with larger tyres/rims is to increase travel height.

LR3 Lift Kit - Johnson Rods - Range Rover Sport Lift Kit (http://johnsonrods.com/index.html)

Rialto

Or for a more local option and better than the Johnson rods:

http://greenovalexperience.com/eas_rods.html

Brett....l

[Meccles]

Sean,
Probably better off not talking about the war. I am looking longingly at Tojo's now. Gone way past reasonable. Taken away on 23rd may with flat battery. Shipped to Brisbane. Returned as "fixed" on 27th June. Towed away again on 29th June without ever having being driven. Is still somewhere while solicitors and I argue with JLR. A shocker.

[Gribbsmy13]

Why solicitors? Department fair trading lemons are pretty strong if purchased after jan 2011. I had a similar issue with another brand. It's a real shame that the manufacturers can't just honour their responsibilities straight up when a lemon is discovered

[~Rich~]

How off the topic has this thread become?
What ever happened to the LTZ Zion tyres! :wasntme:

[Meccles]

Still sitting in the shed looking lonely...they look a good tyre though. I have the Zeons 275/45 R20 with stormer rims on the trailer, with spare. Looks pretty good. Idea being that car/trailer would all be on same rim/tyre...pity about the car though:) best laid plans and all that:D

[EDH]

Meccles, I have a set of 255/55/R19 Cooper Zeon LTZ's and they stick like sh..t to a blanket on and off road.

1/2 an hour after having them fitted to my 2005 HSE Disco I had to brake heavily and swerve at a set of lights when some clown decided to come across me at a green light, I noticed the big difference in how they handled straight away.

I also go off road to far western QLD a few times a year where only back yard toyota mechanics hide out and the tyres perform just as well off road.

Other then being a little expensive (the cheapest tyre I've brought yet for 19") from my experience you should be happy with them when you get to use them.:D

[8ung]

Have had the Cooper Zeon LTZ on for 2000 miles. Love them thus far. Needed a more durable tire for the MRS... She shifted belts on (2) Nokian tires before these. They did die rather late in their lifetimes. At approximately 35k. miles.

They look better as well on the disco.....


thx
d

[Meccles]

They are on SWMBO 2013 RRS. Same rims, the car is in the Veranda section when we fitted dual battery/traxide Kit by Dave. Very happy with them slight hum but they have clocked up 4000Kms so far, been up beach etc. No complaints:) Also a couple of pics in Show us your disco thread.

[Fred Nerk]

My experience is not as good with the Cooper LTZ Zeon 255/55/19. The grip and noise levels are good.

My issue is the rapid rate of wear and the side walls are badly cut and chipped. I live in a hilly area and so there are winding roads. I am not a speedster, but I do like to go 4WD when I can. These tyres are not doing any better than the OEM Wranglers.

I am going to change to 18 inch rims as I'm yet to believe anyone makes a 19in tyre suitable for this car and its purpose.

[Fatso]

Ditto , i changed to 17inch wheels as IMHO 19inch wheels are a nightmare to get tyres for , no probs now . Now all i have to do is work out what to do with my 19inch wheels :).

[~Rich~]

19's and above = Road tyres
17 & 18's = Off Road tyres

So just have two sets, one for day to day. One for play. ;)

[Meccles]

Be interesting to see what rims can be fitted to new RRS. Wonder if Gordon's rims will still fit?

[Celtoid]

Better than Pirelli Scorpion ATRs too?

I've been running 19" Scorpions for a few year now and whilst I've been very happy and in some cases impressed with their ability, I've never felt 100% cornering with them in the wet. Could never really put my finger on it, but there is a sensation of lightness or something.

However, I'd never had an issue to report until the other week when the D4 aquaplaned and was completely out of control for a few secs (although it felt like years).

I could have been just unlucky as it's the first time in all the years I've been running them but I've now heard or a few instances of the Scorpions aquaplaning.

A suggestion is that the outer tread block has strengthening/stabilizing bars or ridges which impede water clearing. I imagine that would only get worse with wear. I've got a set of 18" Zeons, so I know with their tread design, they are not going to suffer the same issue.

I could be worried about nothing but I have lost a bit of confidence in them. My issue is, I've got two brand new ones (Scorpions) on the front but the back two will need replacing in the near future. Concerned about paying a grand and then having tyres I'm not 100% confident in. Then again....I'm concerned about paying almost two for a completely new set...LOL!!! :)

Cheers,

Kev.

[jon3950]

My experience is not as good with the Cooper LTZ Zeon 255/55/19. The grip and noise levels are good.

My issue is the rapid rate of wear and the side walls are badly cut and chipped. I live in a hilly area and so there are winding roads. I am not a speedster, but I do like to go 4WD when I can. These tyres are not doing any better than the OEM Wranglers.

I am going to change to 18 inch rims as I'm yet to believe anyone makes a 19in tyre suitable for this car and its purpose.

I am surprised you have had such a bad experience with them, as I have found them much better than I expected. I fitted them from new and in the 9 months I have owned the D4 I have put 30,000km on them. This has included 2 trips to the High Country, a trip to the Flinders and several local off-road trips, including the D3/D4/RRS trip in September. As well as this I do a fair bit of dirt road driving, a bit of towing and I do drive fairly "spiritedly" in the twisty bits.

Despite doing many rocky tracks, I have had no problems with the sidewalls and no chipping.

Although they are starting to look a little tired now, I'll easily get another 10,000km out of them, which is about as good as any of the 18"s or 17"s I ran on the D3.

However, I do agree that 18"s are better option and this is the next mod on my list, when funds permit.

Cheers,
Jon

[Fred Nerk]

Thanks Jon. I am begining to wonder if I may have got a "bad batch". I plan to keep the 19s with Coopers as road wheels and put some 285/60/18 LT (probably Bridgestone) on the GOE rims for "play days".

[Fatso]

19's and above = Road tyres
17 & 18's = Off Road tyres

So just have two sets, one for day to day. One for play. ;)

Yeah Mate i could that but cant be bothered changing wheels all the time :mad:, just get a good all round tyre in 17 inch that can do both . :p

[scarry]

what he said^^^^^^^

But in a late model D4,impossible, as 17's will not fit:(

[Celtoid]

Yeah Mate i could that but cant be bothered changing wheels all the time :mad:, just get a good all round tyre in 17 inch that can do both . :p



I've got 19" Scorpion ATRs (standard size) and 18" 285/60's and they cannot be compared on the road, ride wise. The 18" LTZ feel bouncy and vague compared to the 19's.


and on the flip side...the 18" LTZ eat the Scorpions off-road.....

[phl]

I think the difference between the LTZ and the Scorpions is the 18" vs 19"; haven't noticed any problems handling-wise with the 19" LTZ on-road.

[Fatso]

I've got 19" Scorpion ATRs (standard size) and 18" 285/60's and they cannot be compared on the road, ride wise. The 18" LTZ feel bouncy and vague compared to the 19's.


and on the flip side...the 18" LTZ eat the Scorpions off-road.....

Agree, there is a bit of difference in handling between my 19 & 17 wheels/tyres but not enough to make any difference to me , i just got brassed off with the price for 19 inch tyres and there lack of availability Aus wide . :mad:

[Celtoid]

Agree, there is a bit of difference in handling between my 19 & 17 wheels/tyres but not enough to make any difference to me , i just got brassed off with the price for 19 inch tyres and there lack of availability Aus wide . :mad:

Yeah, I'm with you on the price. :mad:

However, yesterday I got quoted just under $300/tyre for the ATRs. They are normally just over $500. I specifically got the guy to repeat the order (as in correct tyre and size), without tipping him off on the huge price difference.

They are a local wholesaler and I think whilst they do cars they predominantly do larger vehicles and trucks and have never dealt with that size before. The guy stated he couldn't quote immediately "as it was an odd size" but he called me back later.

I've ordered three, so it will be interesting to see what turns up this afternoon..... :eek:

[Graeme]

I've ordered three,Saving even more money and hoping the 4th corner stays up by itself?

[the_preacher1973]

Saving even more money and hoping the 4th corner stays up by itself?
2 + spare?

[Graeme]

Half price!

[Celtoid]

Saving even more money and hoping the 4th corner stays up by itself?


LOL.....yeah, forgot to mention my front two tyres are almost new :-)


So get this folks....job's done, tyres are on the car...$289 ea, fitted and balanced.


This guy doesn't deal with Pirelli in Brisbane....who are a shopfront I believe...who apparently are a bit like Ned Kelly.....ggggrrrrr!!! This tyre guy has a Sydney supplier who probably deals with Pirelli (OS) direct.


Now I'm all for supporting the 'Local Guy' ...... but if the guy I went to today can make a profit on the price he's charging and his supplier can make a profit, how much are the local Pirelli folks ripping us off!!!


Unbelievable!!!


Oh, Bosman Tyres, Archerfield. Nice kid owns the place and only bought the business earlier in the year, I'd recommend them anytime....and not just for the price....good, honest guys....quick and competent. Dad has a D3 too....LOL!!!!


I actually feel a bit guilty.....LOL!!!

[Yaatez]

Great job..... Ill give him a call


LOL.....yeah, forgot to mention my front two tyres are almost new :-)


So get this folks....job's done, tyres are on the car...$289 ea, fitted and balanced.


This guy doesn't deal with Pirelli in Brisbane....who are a shopfront I believe...who apparently are a bit like Ned Kelly.....ggggrrrrr!!! This tyre guy has a Sydney supplier who probably deals with Pirelli (OS) direct.


Now I'm all for supporting the 'Local Guy' ...... but if the guy I went to today can make a profit on the price he's charging and his supplier can make a profit, how much are the local Pirelli folks ripping us off!!!


Unbelievable!!!


Oh, Bosman Tyres, Archerfield. Nice kid owns the place and only bought the business earlier in the year, I'd recommend them anytime....and not just for the price....good, honest guys....quick and competent. Dad has a D3 too....LOL!!!!


I actually feel a bit guilty.....LOL!!!

[phl]

Anyone has a recommendation for a supplier for the Zeons in either Melbourne, or ideally Mansfield?

Had two sidewalls go, one on Castle Hill Tk coming down from East Pinnacles, and another at Nobs Spur Tk (detours as tree blocking track between Howitt and Lovick Huts). Both at slow speeds too; probably softer sidewall hence better on road handling, but too soft at 26psi.

Tyre Seal got us out as far as Brock's Rd, but waiting for a truck as don't want to risk a blow out into Mansfield.

[Disco4SE]

Anyone has a recommendation for a supplier for the Zeons in either Melbourne, or ideally Mansfield?

Had two sidewalls go, one on Castle Hill Tk coming down from East Pinnacles, and another at Nobs Spur Tk (detours as tree blocking track between Howitt and Lovick Huts). Both at slow speeds too; probably softer sidewall hence better on road handling, but too soft at 26psi.

Tyre Seal got us out as far as Brock's Rd, but waiting for a truck as don't want to risk a blow out into Mansfield.
Speak to Michael or Sam at Camberwell Tyrepower. Michael is a member on this forum. Their details are as follows: Tyrepower Camberwel Local Owner: Sam Bhatia 468 Burwood Road Hawthorn VIC 3122 Phone:(03) 9819 1500 Fax: 03 9819 9844.
Tell them Craig (Disco4SE) sent you.

Cheers, Craig

[phl]

On the tray truck ride to Mansfield, the driver, Scotty, mentioned that due to the weaker and narrower side walls of the P rated Zeons, he felt that they should not be run with lower pressure, or risk the side walls being ripped like mine were. Has anyone done one serious rock crawling with the tyres at or close to road pressure? Perhaps this is a tyre I need to keep as close to road pressure as possible (was running it at 26 psi, vs 18 psi I ran my old BFG AT at, albeit that was a 16" tyre.

[jon3950]

I'm inclined to agree with him. I only drop about 4-6 psi from road pressures with these tyres. I try to get it so the tread is nice and flexible but the sidewall has very little bulge - bit of a balancing act.

This has worked well for me so far on some quite rocky tracks and I think this is the compromise you have to make running low profile tyres off road. I also find I am travelling a lot more slowly through the rougher stuff, which is probably not a bad thing anyway.

Cheers,
Jon

[Gribbsmy13]

So how do these tyres fair on the beach if dropping the pressure is such an issue? Or us that not a problem due to no sharp objects?

[scarry]

I'm inclined to agree with him. I only drop about 4-6 psi from road pressures with these tyres. I try to get it so the tread is nice and flexible but the sidewall has very little bulge - bit of a balancing act.

This has worked well for me so far on some quite rocky tracks and I think this is the compromise you have to make running low profile tyres off road. I also find I am travelling a lot more slowly through the rougher stuff, which is probably not a bad thing anyway.

Cheers,
Jon

It would definitely be a guessing balancing act on those very badly corrugated roads around Finke and Mt Dare,when loaded,on 19's.:confused:

Even on 17's i didn't have much idea what pressures to run,eventually settled on around 28 front,30 rear.Heaps of bulge,which i don't like,but you also need to get a good ride and try not to shake the hell out of everything.
And settle on a suitable speed.

[Meccles]

We have run our 275/45 R20 Zeon's at 20psi on the beach, and I would go to 18 psi if needed, no issue. But, as you say, there is no sharp rocks (normally) to stake the tire. Just something to throw out there, have seen quite a few comments on other forums/threads from various people who do not deflate modern (read lower profile) tires at all. They adjust speed of vehicle to suit conditions if rough, rather than deflating tire for softer ride, on basis that tire damage is then more likely. And were quoting lots of trips without tire damage. While I am not advocating the pro's/con's of this it is something to consider. Certainly with my tires I will not be deflating in rough/rocky conditions. If we can't get there with tire at or close to "normal" pressure then I am using wrong tire for the track, and will have to come back another day. At the moment, we are very happy with the Zeon's though for what we use them for.

[~Rich~]

Don't have that problem with the 285/60 R18's
They bag well both on the sand and rock with no issues and I'm on my second set. ;)

[gghaggis]

On the tray truck ride to Mansfield, the driver, Scotty, mentioned that due to the weaker and narrower side walls of the P rated Zeons, he felt that they should not be run with lower pressure, or risk the side walls being ripped like mine were. Has anyone done one serious rock crawling with the tyres at or close to road pressure? Perhaps this is a tyre I need to keep as close to road pressure as possible (was running it at 26 psi, vs 18 psi I ran my old BFG AT at, albeit that was a 16" tyre.

With the sidewall profile you have on the 19", I wouldn't significantly drop tyre pressures for rock-crawling. We take clients through rock crawls/climbs at normal road pressures and it's not worth the tyre and rim damage to drop pressures. Lowest I'd go would be 32psi

Cheers,

Gordon

[Meccles]

Understood:) There is good discussion going re tire pressure to use the 697 Bridgestones - which I think are a great tire. But for our use, we wanted to stick with 20's for the time being. No requirement for Gordon's rims/18's for a little while.
No really serious off road other than beach in near future planned. So the Zeon's suit for now.

[phl]

With the sidewall profile you have on the 19", I wouldn't significantly drop tyre pressures for rock-crawling. We take clients through rock crawls/climbs at normal road pressures and it's not worth the tyre and rim damage to drop pressures. Lowest I'd go would be 32psi

Thanks goes to Widethread Lillydale; appears to have the only available Zeons in 19" in Vic, and we're very helpful. Long process of hiring car from only place opened, driving one wheel down, then back, change tyre, then drive down. Due to traffic, didn't make it in time today, so staying in the Yarra Valley overnight (nice place with a good restaurant; suckling pig IMHO beats Giovanni Pilu's). $790 for two, fitted.

The young guy there mentioned they don't drop theirs below 36psi even when doing recoveries due to potential sidewall staking. Will keep the 32psi in mind as the lower limit.

FWIW, LR Recovery does not cover cost of recovery if it's two flats, but will for bogging. Go figure.

[RoverLander]

However, I'd never had an issue to report until the other week when the D4 aquaplaned and was completely out of control for a few secs (although it felt like years).


A suggestion is that the outer tread block has strengthening/stabilizing bars or ridges which impede water clearing. I imagine that would only get worse with wear. I've got a set of 18" Zeons, so I know with their tread design, they are not going to suffer the same issue.


Cheers,

Kev.

Kev,

I had exactly the same experience a few weeks ago when driving from Sydney to Melb in moderately heavy rain. I had a light feeling in the steering on several occasions and then one corner where the car just didnt respond to the turn. I had plenty of space and just waited for the grip to return but it was the most unsettling feeling I've ever had. I had slowed down to about 90 kmh when it happened.

My pirelli's are about 2/3s worn out and about 40k milage. I agree with your theory about the block pattern on the outer edge. There is nowhere for the water to escape once the tread starts to wear down. Mind you i am still a fair way from the tread wear indicators.

The question now is what do i replace them with. My tyre dealer tells me the Cooper tyres are not good. He has had many returns with tyres being out of round and unbalanced. I'm contemplating Hankooks but need to do some more research.

Peter

[jon3950]

We have run our 275/45 R20 Zeon's at 20psi on the beach, and I would go to 18 psi if needed, no issue. But, as you say, there is no sharp rocks (normally) to stake the tire.

Have yet to try the 19"s on sand but that is about what I would have thought.


Just something to throw out there, have seen quite a few comments on other forums/threads from various people who do not deflate modern (read lower profile) tires at all. They adjust speed of vehicle to suit conditions if rough, rather than deflating tire for softer ride, on basis that tire damage is then more likely. And were quoting lots of trips without tire damage. While I am not advocating the pro's/con's of this it is something to consider. Certainly with my tires I will not be deflating in rough/rocky conditions. If we can't get there with tire at or close to "normal" pressure then I am using wrong tire for the track, and will have to come back another day. At the moment, we are very happy with the Zeon's though for what we use them for.

That doesn't surprise me anymore. However, with the 19"s, dropping a few pounds makes quite a difference to the ride and to the traction. I have found the wheels "bounce" less over the rough stuff and the traction control doesn't work as hard. I have only played with a set of 20"s on an RRS once and we did the same. This worked quite well over some rough High Country tracks but you've got noticeably less sidewall to play with and as a result I would expect to run them closer to highway pressure than the 19"s.

Cheers,
Jon

[SimmAus]

Due to traffic, didn't make it in time today, so staying in the Yarra Valley overnight (nice place with a good restaurant; suckling pig IMHO beats Giovanni Pilu's). $790 for two, fitted..

Seems expensive for suckling pig! ;-)

Glad you got sorted out with the tyres..

[discohappy]

We have a Disco 4 HSE with 19" rims. Put Coopers LTZ on before our trip up through the Simpson Desert. Punctured 1 and destroyed the side wall on another along the Oonadatta Track and destroyed the side wall on another tyre on the Strzelecki Track. All up we had 4 punctures. We were fully loaded as we had 3 kids with us and no trailer. Changed to General Grubbers AT and destroyed 2 tyres in the side wall in the High Country last week. We were fully loaded again. We need a tyre which is stronger in the side wall.

[scarry]

We have a Disco 4 HSE with 19" rims. Put Coopers LTZ on before our trip up through the Simpson Desert. Punctured 1 and destroyed the side wall on another along the Oonadatta Track and destroyed the side wall on another tyre on the Strzelecki Track. All up we had 4 punctures. We were fully loaded as we had 3 kids with us and no trailer. Changed to General Grubbers AT and destroyed 2 tyres in the side wall in the High Country last week. We were fully loaded again. We need a tyre which is stronger in the side wall.

You probably need to go to 18's,i presume you have a 3.0l,or you could have gone to 17's.

Have a good search on here there are heaps of threads on this issue.
gghaggi posts/threads are full of good info about tyres.

[jon3950]

We have a Disco 4 HSE with 19" rims. Put Coopers LTZ on before our trip up through the Simpson Desert. Punctured 1 and destroyed the side wall on another along the Oonadatta Track and destroyed the side wall on another tyre on the Strzelecki Track. All up we had 4 punctures. We were fully loaded as we had 3 kids with us and no trailer. Changed to General Grubbers AT and destroyed 2 tyres in the side wall in the High Country last week. We were fully loaded again. We need a tyre which is stronger in the side wall.

What pressures do you run them at?

[discohappy]

Yes we have the 3.0 Litre, and we were running 28psi on the Oodnadatta and the Strzelecki Tracks and in the High Country we started at 30psi when we did the 1st tyre and then went down to 25psi when we did the 2nd tyre and then went back up to 30psi after we plugged them. We have since heard that some run at full tyres pressures. We are looking at the 18" rims but they cost $570 each and not sure what tyres to get.

[PaulGOz]

Are you running thos oressures front and rear? LR recommends 6 psi more in the rear due to the extra weight when loaded I presume.I now have only 19 inch tyres having come from a 2.7 d4 which I ran d694s and d697s in no punctures and belted up and down the oodnadatta and strezelki I r an fronts at about 32 psi and rears at 38 psi if my memory serves me correctly.

Have others had succes with 19 inch tyres or do we sll need to get 18 inch rims as well?

[discohappy]

We had 25psi in the front and 30psi in the rear. It is only the rear we are having problems with. We have never had a puncture in the front and only have had problems when we are carrying a full load. We have a tyre monitoring system in the car which we would recommend.

[jon3950]

We had 25psi in the front and 30psi in the rear. It is only the rear we are having problems with. We have never had a puncture in the front and only have had problems when we are carrying a full load. We have a tyre monitoring system in the car which we would recommend.

I think they are too low. Whilst you can always be unlucky, if you are having sidewall problems, they are bagging too much. From my experience with them, you need to run them at much higher pressures than high profile tyres.


Are you running thos oressures front and rear? LR recommends 6 psi more in the rear due to the extra weight when loaded I presume.I now have only 19 inch tyres having come from a 2.7 d4 which I ran d694s and d697s in no punctures and belted up and down the oodnadatta and strezelki I r an fronts at about 32 psi and rears at 38 psi if my memory serves me correctly.

Have others had succes with 19 inch tyres or do we sll need to get 18 inch rims as well?

Agreed. I've had the 19" LTZs on for nearly 40k now which has included a trip to the Flinders and 2 trips to the high country and a few other rocky places as well. I have had no problems. Just keep the pressures up and the speeds down.

I try to set them at a point where they feel softer than at highway pressure, absorbing all the small, sharp bumps, but where there is still very little sidewall bagging. My rule of thumb is to drop about 4-6 psi from road pressure for that sort of work. This has worked for me so far, which means 32/38 is in the ballpark.

Definately think the 18"s are a better option, but you can get away with a lot on the 19"s if you are careful.

Cheers,
Jon

[discohappy]

Does anyone know about the Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10 ATT 255/55R19.
Just read on another thread they have much thicker side wall. We did the High Country couple of years ago and just had Goodyear Wanglers on and lowered them to 25psi and had no problems at all but we weren't fully loaded. We only have problems when we are fully loaded but next time we will try the higher pressures.

[tuffrangie]

What sort of km are people getting out of their 255/55/19's? Im currently having an argument with my Land Rover dealer for excessive tyre wear and they are blaming it on the tyres. I got ~45000km out of my factory tires before changing.

Cheers
Rob

[LGM]

My D4 HSE came equipped with Continental tyres which were great from a road holding and quiet ride perspective. No doubt they were a 'soft' compound tyre as they only lasted 32,000km! Most of my driving is highway based. No city traffic stuff as I live and work in regional WA. I also infrequently tow a 1.4t camper trailer.

I replaced the Conti's with Coopers Zion's and since that time have carried out a 5 way rotation of the tyres each 10,000km and monitored the wear. I have also kept a good eye on the tyre pressures over this period. My early calculations indicated an expected total life somewhere between the 63k to 70k mark. Currently I have completed 50,000km on the Coopers and have approximately 6mm of tread left on each tyre. This equates to 4mm of usable tread remaining to reach the maximum wear.

My last tyre check was yesterday and I reckon that the tyres seem to be wearing at a faster rate as they get closer to the condemn limit!

Go figure?

My driving type and style has not changed over this time and if anything I have become less adventurous with punting my D4 around courtesy of Mr Plod and those cameras hidden in the brush etc.:angel:

The way things look I think 60k will be good going but in reality 56k to 58k is most likely. That said I have been looking around for replacement tyres. Whilst I have no real complaints re the Coopers I am willing to try something else hence the new Hankook tyres are now in my sights. Some of the posts on this forum give a positive view of these new 19's. Based on the info available to date I reckon I might give them a go. Oh and the price will no doubt help to sway my selection.

[Platypus]

What sort of km are people getting out of their 255/55/19's? Im currently having an argument with my Land Rover dealer for excessive tyre wear and they are blaming it on the tyres. I got ~45000km out of my factory tires before changing.

Cheers
Rob

I have GG AT's which were fitted from new by ULR. 23 months since new and 75,000 klm's with tread to spare. Good off road and on snow, got stuck in mud in Tassie but the ruts were excessively deep. Downside, they have been annoyingly noisy since around 20,000kms. Dash board buzzes at 90-110 kph which is where I spend 80-90% of my time. Anyone else been bugged by these tyres in respect to their constant whine at speed? As this thread is two years old are the Cooper LTZ still the 'prefered' choice or has a 'better' newcomer come along. I'll soon need to change over.(Family's complaining about the noise!)
All comments gratefully received.
Paul

[chuck]

Paul

I did the same fitted GG AT's new.
Car is 19 months old & 45,000 km's.
Plenty of tread left.
Good on road, gravel & sand have not really had them in mud.

I have the same problem with a harmonic vibration noise between 90 & 100km/h.

Also thinking about the Cooper LTZ.

Would have liked to get the Goodyear Duratracs which are manufactured specifically for the D4 in 255 55 19 & available through out Africa & Europe.

[Graeme]

Would have liked to get the Goodyear Duratracs which are manufactured specifically for the D4 in 255 55 19 & available through out Africa & Europe.Have you asked Goodyear Australia if they will bring them in for you? They're likely to be very expensive if they will though, as I discovered when I asked about them in 245/70R17 size. If enough people ask they might decide to stock that size. When I got ready to import the 245/70R17 myself I discovered they now had that size here anyway and quite cheap through Kmart.

[chuck]

Graeme

I did ask Goodyear thru their website a while ago & they said no.

We have just commenced construction on a new warehouse for Goodyear & our project manager is also a keen 4x4er so we are waiting to meet the right person to ask the question.

It would be good if we could gather some numbers to see how many people might be interest in the Duratracs.

[Graeme]

If you're relying on the sizes listed on their web-site then get a reseller to lookup their warehouse stocks as 245/70R17 is still not listed on the web-site.

[Crimdog]

Pretty stoked, just picked up a set of ltz shoes for $400! Fell like a kid at Xmas, want to chuck them on the RRsport rims I've had sitting in the garage and get on tracks ASAP to give them a go.

[BDB]

Destroyed my rear mud flap on the Tanami (I got stuck in Broome and this was the only19 inch ) but I will replace with the LTZ it is better tun my Pirellis by far!
Brian

[hydeslane]

Thanks for posting this tread. Have a D4 & I've done about 45,000Km on my GG's. I've been plagued by the harmonic vibration noise for about the last 35,000km. It occurs between 90 & 100km/h and is intermittent. Sounds like the speedo cable is about to give up as it vibrates through the dash. The only description that seems to match the sound. Its loud and embarrassing when people are in the car - particularly the Toyota lads. Interestingly it started to make this noise when my Wranglers ran low on tread as well. Discussed it with Trivett on numerous occasions but it never makes the noise with their man in the car - typical - just every other day. They were no help. So I'm about to replace the GG's with Pirelli ATRs as the most recommended tyre for the car and my needs.

[4evershiva]

I got Pirelli Scorpion ATRs and they have been pretty good, are the LTZ better than the Pirelli, becoz its time for me to replace 2 rear tyres. Also is there a 19inch mud tyre available?? if so which one is the best?

[jon3950]

I got Pirelli Scorpion ATRs and they have been pretty good, are the LTZ better than the Pirelli, becoz its time for me to replace 2 rear tyres.

Yes.

Or no, depending on what you what you want. :)

My only comment is I wouldn't mix them as they are very different tyres. if you are only getting 2, then I would stick with the Pirellis.

Cheers,
Jon

[scarry]

Jax quick fit tyres have Pirelli at very good prices ATM.

[never too old]

Not quite on the thread but can anyone give me advice on buying an extra 19" rim for a second spare. Jax Tyres at Maroochydore suggested Advanti Chopper but Bob Jane could only suggest the 18" Krawler 5 with a 255/60/18 tyre. Having trouble finding a second LR rim and would prefer not to have to buy a new LR one given the cost. Alternatively if anyone has a spare rim lying around would be happy to pay a reasonable price. Thanks, Andrew

[RHS58]

There's a set of 4 LR D4 19" rims on eBay.
2 listings same seller, suspect same set but with / without tyres.
I queried whether he'd sell rims individually, wasn't interested.
Maybe if 4 of us got together?

[never too old]

I had seen that there are a lot of 19" rims on eBay from the USA but thought that would be too hard. Happy to go in with a group to get one but I need to get one in 2 weeks. Not sure whether this would be feasible.

[Celtoid]

Jax quick fit tyres have Pirelli at very good prices ATM.


Hi Mate,


Can I ask what a good price is for 255/55/19? Bosman at Archerfield quoted me at Xmas time, the cheapest by far than I'd ever been quoted before. >$200 per tyre cheaper. The going rate anywhere else was ~$500.


Kev.

[scarry]

Sorry don't know the price for that size.One of my brothers got some for a D1,very cheap at Jax.

We noticed the other day they have 'made in China' on them in very small writing,difficult to see,so i am beginning to wonder if they are some sort of grey import.

[the_preacher1973]

We noticed the other day they have 'made in China' on them in very small writing,difficult to see,so i am beginning to wonder if they are some sort of grey import.

Pirelli's been making their tyres in China since 2005.

http://www.pirelli.com/corporate/en/company/history/default.html

[Patrick C]

I got a spare 19" rim from British Off Road at Forest Glen

[matti4556]

How long ago was that Patrick - I can't seem to get my hands on one for a second spare for my upcoming desert trip in July. Not even a "renter or a loaner" .

[Brotownboy]

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=301195773166&globalID=EBAY-AU

[RHS58]

How long ago was that Patrick - I can't seem to get my hands on one for a second spare for my upcoming desert trip in July. Not even a "renter or a loaner" .

Which style 19 inch are you after?

[phl]

What's the cost of the 19" rims new? I've decided to just get a second spare for trips, and will likely get one that matches the existing (MY13 HSE) so that I can use it in my tyre rotation schedule, rather than it gathering dust.

[RHS58]

Quote yesterday from dealer for a 2013 D4 SE 19 inch 10 spoke $1024.30 for ONE rim
Have I got a deal for you!
As luck would have it I found and bought a set of 4 on eBay in as new condition for $999 plus $100 delivery from Sydney.
Mate's HSE has same style rims.
Pm me your mobile number or email, I'll send you a photo, you might be lucky as 2 from the set are available.
If it's a match, and you're keen , only want my costs covered.

[phl]

If it's the one on eBay, no, the MY13 has a different rim. Otherwise I'd have bought them.

There is one from a UK eBay seller, but has never replied to messages on delivery.

[RHS58]

This is what I have. Any good to you?

[~Rich~]

This is what I have:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/06/1357.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/D3/8606205B-D71F-4F2D-A499-6357F4F793FE_zpsndrb5slo.jpg.html)

[phl]

This is what I have. Any good to you?

This is the one I was looking at to match my other wheel.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/06/1354.jpg

[Patrick C]

I got the rim from BOR at Forest Glen last November
They had a couple to choose from then and even came with a tyre on (did not keep)

[Mike_S]

I'm after 4 Pirelli ATR's, possibly 6 if the price is right in Melbourne, 255/55/19's. Anyone found a good deal locally ? All the 4 for the price of 3 deals round our way seem to be for Yokohama & Dunlops :(

[jonesy63]

Mike - I just rang Tempe Tyres (think they parallel import tyres) and their price was $290 per tyre, plus $20 per tyre shipping to Melbourne.
Cheers,
Rob

[SBD4]

Mike - I just rang Tempe Tyres (think they parallel import tyres) and their price was $290 per tyre, plus $20 per tyre shipping to Melbourne.
Cheers,
Rob

Yes I am about get a set from them too or from their neighbours down the highway.

[Disco4]

I got a set of Coopers 2 weeks ago and managed to put 1,000km on them over the long weekend (my first weekend with the car), low noise even at highway speeds, as well great on mud & dirt.

I got them from AGR Tyres in Smithfield, apparently he supplies to the likes of Bob Jane, etc. Service was excellent great service and $1,200 fitted (mates rates).

[tiddy]

I got a set of Coopers 2 weeks ago and managed to put 1,000km on them over the long weekend (my first weekend with the car), low noise even at highway speeds, as well great on mud & dirt.

I got them from AGR Tyres in Smithfield, apparently he supplies to the likes of Bob Jane, etc. Service was excellent great service and $1,200 fitted (mates rates).

Hi Disco - Would that set be 4 or 5 tyres?

[Gribbsmy13]

Has anyone managed to get any cheap ltz s in the Newcastle area?