D4 long wait time for ARB winch bar

[aferrier]

I decided back in early March to get an ARB winch bar on our D4. Two months on and still waiting from the call from them to let me know when the next manufacture of D4 bars will be.. I'm dealing direct with their factory office.

I did a factory tour at the time and they were flat out making OEM Hilux bars 24x7.

Is anyone else on the waitlist with ARB to get a bar?

[stray dingo]

its on my to-do list, so I better make a move on it if theres such a wait. Have they given any expected time frame?

[Rollin over]

Try Opposite Lock their bar is the same thing

[trif]

Try Opposite Lock their bar is the same thing

x 2. No wait time at all for me.

Regards Trif.

[Ozzy119]

You might get mine now. I ordered one beginning of March and finally got told the build date was 23rd May. Then another month to get colour match. This wasn't going to work out for me re next planned trip so 2 weeks ago I went to OL. It arrives tomorrow, so I cancelled the ARB order and got my money back.

The thing to consider though (and i feel like i have taken a step back by doing this) is that OL can't powder coat colour match. They can colour coat, but only ARB do the fixed powder coat colour. So, I go with a standard powder coated black bar from OL. If you choose colour coat from OL you'll find it stone chips and won't look good in a very short period of time.

[aferrier]

Try Opposite Lock their bar is the same thing

Where's the OL bar made? ARB also only paint over a black powdercoat to match the vehicle colour. You can't colour match powdercoatings to paint.

[Redback]

They are made in Perth, by Outback Accessories, well they used to be, whether they still are I'm not sure, ring them and ask.

Baz.

[aferrier]

Now ARB have come to the party and looks like they're doing a batch later in the month... Getting fitted late June.

Now to shop for lights :D

[balus400]

Yes, frustrated as well.

Ordered my ARB D4 deluxe bar and Safari snorkel back in Feb. Was initially told about 8 weeks as they build the bars to order once they receive "4 or 5"

Just been told they are building D4 bar's next week and that they will arrive towards the end of May. As such, I have booked mine in for fitting on the 12th of June.

At least we still have a couple of months before the big trip

[Wortho]

ARB bars are not powder coated when colour coded they are painted,so colour codeing an OL bar will give the same finnish. OL bars are made in Thailand same as most of ARB's bars.

[Chops]

Where's the OL bar made? ARB also only paint over a black powdercoat to match the vehicle colour. You can't colour match powdercoatings to paint.

Not entirly true, as an ex powder coater, the colour range is quite large, and growing all the time.
I haven't done it for over 20 years, but I'm guessing the best way would be to have a basic coat (a close match in powder if they can't do exact) then a proper wet spray coat to match correct car colour would be the way to go. Then chips wouldn't show up quite so bad.

[Redback]

ARB bars are not powder coated when colour coded they are painted,so colour codeing an OL bar will give the same finnish. OL bars are made in Thailand same as most of ARB's bars.

I thought they went back to fabricating them in Perth because they weren't happy with the ones they imported?

Baz.

[Wortho]

I thought they went back to fabricating them in Perth because they weren't happy with the ones they imported?

Baz.


No, WA is outback accesories they do XROX bars, OL bars are still made in Thailand but a different manufacturer. As i said though ARB bars are made there to.

[discotwinturbo]

No, WA is outback accesories they do XROX bars, OL bars are still made in Thailand but a different manufacturer. As i said though ARB bars are made there to.

I know someone that works in arb bull bar development, and the D4 bars are made in Oz.....virtually all the front bars are made in Oz. the arb rear wheel carrier (not kaymar) is made in Thailand....and that's the one they charge the most for. Go figure.

Brett.....

[aferrier]

ARB bars are not powder coated when colour coded they are painted,so colour codeing an OL bar will give the same finnish. OL bars are made in Thailand same as most of ARB's bars.

I beg to differ as I was standing in front of the powder coating at the ARB factory. The powder coating process, preparing bars with black powdercoat for painting. You'll find that ARB don't paint the inside (hidden side) of the bar... there you will see the powder coating undercoat.

Australian ARB bars are made in Kilsyth Victoria and their overseas shipments are made in Thailand by their own ARB factory there. I touched the jig for the D4 Delux bar myself. ALL steel ARB bars are powdercoated.

[Stuart02]

There's an ECB bar for sale on EBay at the moment

[Redback]

I beg to differ as I was standing in front of the powder coating at the ARB factory. The powder coating process, preparing bars with black powdercoat for painting. You'll find that ARB don't paint the inside (hidden side) of the bar... there you will see the powder coating undercoat.

Australian ARB bars are made in Kilsyth Victoria and their overseas shipments are made in Thailand by their own ARB factory there. I touched the jig for the D4 Delux bar myself. ALL steel ARB bars are powdercoated.

You obviously did the MySwag tour orginised by Sam;)

On another forum is a guy(The Low Ranger) he's the fabricator that used to build the OL bar(works elsewhere now) he's of the opinion that they still make the OL bars at Outback Accessories as well as import them from Thialand.

Baz.

[aferrier]

You obviously did the MySwag tour orginised by Sam;)

Baz.

Baz, Spot On!

[Wortho]

I beg to differ as I was standing in front of the powder coating at the ARB factory. The powder coating process, preparing bars with black powdercoat for painting. You'll find that ARB don't paint the inside (hidden side) of the bar... there you will see the powder coating undercoat.

Australian ARB bars are made in Kilsyth Victoria and their overseas shipments are made in Thailand by their own ARB factory there. I touched the jig for the D4 Delux bar myself. ALL steel ARB bars are powdercoated.

Not disputing that ARB bars are not powder coated black then painted over but they are not powder coated in colour it is paint over powder coat same as the OL bars and TJM bars. The bars are painted at the state warehouse, in NSW that is Moorebank or the store that has sold it can elect to have it painted at a local smash repairers if the wait is to long.
Yes i don't doubt for a minute that you touched the jig for the D4 bar, you could touch the jig for every bar they make at Kilsyth, does not mean your bar has been made there (we never told people that we were waiting for the boat to arrive with there bar just that there were production delays)


On another forum is a guy(The Low Ranger) he's the fabricator that used to build the OL bar(works elsewhere now) he's of the opinion that they still make the OL bars at Outback Accessories as well as import them from Thialand.

Baz.

Nope made in Thailand, we are fitting one today actually, colour coded, LED driving lights, long rang tank, rear wheel carrier ETC

[ARB 4X4 Accessories]

Hi guys, just to clarify, all of our bars are powder coated (solvent sensitive) in either black or Millennium Grey depending on the model. They are then colour coded (paint) using a high quality automotive multipart finishing system if required.

Currently all Disco 3 an 4 bars are manufactured in Australia at our main factory in Kilsyth.

Glad you enjoyed the tour aferrier :)

Cheers, Sam.

[TerryO]

Thanks for straightening that out Sam, nothing better then hearing the facts from the source.

Now I have been nice how about a healthy discount on a new winch bar???? ...;)

cheers,
Terry

[ARB 4X4 Accessories]

Thanks for straightening that out Sam, nothing better then hearing the facts from the source.

Now I have been nice how about a healthy discount on a new winch bar???? ...;)

cheers,
Terry

Haha, you'll have to try that one on the sales guys Terry. :D

Cheers, Sam.

[TerryO]

Bugger! ...thought you might say that.

Could you answer me one question if you don't mind Sam?

I recently rang one of your shops in Sydney and they told me that they have an instruction from ARB not to sell ARB Bull bars to either D3 or D4 HSE owners as they suppoesedly make to much wind noise when fitted to a HSE.

Why the difference between a SE or S and a HSE?

Is this correct? Seemes a bit strange given how many D3/4 HSE's on here have ARB bars fitted.

cheers,
Terry

[ARB 4X4 Accessories]

Hi Terry, there hasn't been any official instruction from Head Office re the fitment of bars to HSE Disco 3 and 4 and to our knowledge there hasn't been any feedback re excessive levels of wind noise from customers or stockists.

If anyone has an HSE with our bar fitted, we'd love to hear any feedback that may have re wind noise.

Cheers, Sam.

[TerryO]

Well I guess I'll end up finding out sooner than later for myself, just bought a ARB winch bar off ebay last night.

cheers,
Terry

[Canaussie]

I was wondering if anyone (Sam) from ARB can tell me if the new bull bar is like this one in this photo? I see that there seems to be a new piece to fill the gap between the headlight and bar. Is this a new thing or something that has been modded.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40483547@N07/4493666458/in/set-72157626735141053/lightbox/

Cheers Billy;)

[SBD4]

I was wondering if anyone (Sam) from ARB can tell me if the new bull bar is like this one in this photo? I see that there seems to be a new piece to fill the gap between the headlight and bar. Is this a new thing or something that has been modded.

IMG_2760 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40483547@N07/4493666458/in/set-72157626735141053/lightbox/)

Cheers Billy;)

Geez I love that D4, I have that photo as my desktop.

[Canaussie]

Ya it has to be one of the nicest ones ive seen. Love black wheels

:D

[SBD4]

Billy, coming back to your question, coincidentally EDDOMAK posted a link to fitting instructions for the ARB bar here:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/150859-arb-d4-bull-bar-fitting-instructions-photos.html

It seems that the bar does not have the gap filled. When comparing the photos, you can see that there is a distinct gap all the way around to the wheel arch. The "Nice D4" has the wheel arch flare cut so that it sits neatly on the bar and has some trim to fill in the gap under the head lights - looks much neater.

I guess the only trouble with that is, there is no tolerance for any "bumps".

[Canaussie]

Yes I have noticed that. Either this is a show car for Arb or it never goes off road? When you flick through the photos it looks like the filler part is welded on or a part of the bullbar from the factory.

I've seen the instructions as well and noticed the gap and it has been a few discussions as to the fit in regards to gap and what is required when unit is off road and subject to large bumps and corrigations.

My question still stands to Arb or others if there has been new tooling for these bars. I'm definitely going to buy a bar a sometimes as i live in central Qld and there is no shortage of wildlife willing to sacrifice themselves as happened to me two weeks ago in a rental....lol

Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150765503024420&set=t.556185041&type=1)

[Plane Fixer]

I have just had an ARB winch bar fitted a couple of weeks ago. I ordered it at the end of March; a couple of weeks after picking up the car, and I ordered a non winch bar. I was later told the winch bar was in stock now and the non winch was on backorder.
I therefor paid the extra coin and had it fitted a few weeks later when I got back home. I added in some Lightforce 250 35W HID as well. I also had a cargo barrier fitted at the same time.
We had planned a Snowy Mountain trip and then through Bright to Melbourne and had a short time frame due work. SWMBO would not do the trip without the bar fitted as a few years ago near Cooma a roo committed suicide on the front of our brand new VW Golf and did a lot of damage. Hence I took the winch bar when offered.
Since having it fitted I have not done very much gravel road travel, but have noticed it moves a lot less than the bar on the Patrol so maybe the clearances the installer gave were generous. I have not noticed any different noise from it as the only change is the slight hum from the Coopers.
Graeme, (another one)

[ARB 4X4 Accessories]

I was wondering if anyone (Sam) from ARB can tell me if the new bull bar is like this one in this photo? I see that there seems to be a new piece to fill the gap between the headlight and bar. Is this a new thing or something that has been modded.

IMG_2760 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40483547@N07/4493666458/in/set-72157626735141053/lightbox/)

Cheers Billy;)

Hi Billy, I've checked this out and there hasn't been any changes to the D4 bar in terms of infill panels under the headlights. The photos in the fitting instructions that have been linked to are how the finished install should look.

The vehicle in Flickr is not one of ours and it appears that the owner has modified the bar/fitting themselves to reduce the gap under the wheel arch and under the headlights.

There does need to be a small gap to allow for movement in off road situations as others have mentioned.

This bar has now also been approved for fitment to HSE models and the website is being updated to reflect this.

Cheers, Sam.

[Canaussie]

Ty Sam,

Will be placing my order soon. I know these can be a challenging bar to install and want to find a ARB that has had experience fitting them before and will provide a quality install!

Cheers:D

[aferrier]

Finally had my ARB bar fitted this week and spent today wiring in the lights. Very happy.

The bar was installed at ARB Kilsyth, Vic.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/70.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/70.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/70.jpg

[disco4now]

Clark Rubber has some D shaped rubber trim that I used to fill the gap under the headlights. You can slide it over the back edge of the bar and the rubber D part of the mould fills the gap. Its rubber and allows any movement required. I fitted it after the bar was fitted with not that much skin taken of the knuckles. Been there two years now with no issues. I have alway had a plan to use the same stuff to do the little gap where the guard is cut but have not go around to that yet, but think it would work. You can see it here.


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/d3-d4-rrs/40021d1318409381-show-us-your-disco-sport-must-read-first-post-first-p7222174.jpg

[Robocop]

Hi disco4 have you got a pic of the d shaped rubber?. I also have a large gap between the bar & lights I'd like to fill..



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Cheers Rob

[disco4now]

This is the stuff from Clark Rubber. Looks like its call Pinchweld. The U shaped bit with barbs slips over the back edge of the bar and the rubber O bit fills the gap. I think I used the first one shown on the page



Pinchweld with Side Blister | Clark Rubber (http://www.clarkrubber.com.au/pinchweld-with-side-blister.html)


http://www.clarkrubber.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/250x/83e2a64306b95a016cef23eb991b1b86/p/i/pinchweld-with-side-blister.jpg

Regards
Gerry

[Robocop]

Thanks Gerry. Is it just me or are our D4's identical?

Cheers Rob

[Canaussie]

Well ordered my winch ARB bullbar last Friday, was told 4 weeks as they are coming off the presses on the 10th of next month. Can't wait

[Tombie]

Finally had my ARB bar fitted this week and spent today wiring in the lights. Very happy.

The bar was installed at ARB Kilsyth, Vic.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/aferrier-albums-my+d4-picture3507-d4-arb.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/aferrier-albums-my+d4-picture3508-d4-arb-fyrlt-lights.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/aferrier-albums-my+d4-picture3509-d4-arb.jpg

I bet you're loving those FYRLYTs :cool:

[hydeslane]

Spoke to the ARB lads today at Sydney's tradies expo and was told that they don't fit bars to HSE D4 models. They said there is a issue with the air dam at the front of the car and they create excessive wind noise. I have the 3.0ltr SE. Dont know what the difference is between an SE and HSE. Can't imagine there is much under the front bonnet.

I see this matter raised elsewhere in the thread and the response. Clearly though the confusion continues. Can an ARB bar be fitted or not?

[aferrier]

Spoke to the ARB lads today at Sydney's tradies expo and was told that they don't fit bars to HSE D4 models. They said there is a issue with the air dam at the front of the car and they create excessive wind noise. I have the 3.0ltr SE. Dont know what the difference is between an SE and HSE. Can't imagine there is much under the front bonnet.

I see this matter raised elsewhere in the thread and the response. Clearly though the confusion continues. Can an ARB bar be fitted or not?

Yes you can fit and ARB Bar to a D4 3.0 SE as that's what I have. Wind noise excuse is a crock. The HSE has front cameras. Check out the fitting instructions ...

Deluxe winch bar | Products | ARB 4x4 Accessories (http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-protection-equipment/bull-bars/deluxe-bull-bars/3432200/)

It states not suitable for HSE and V8. Take a few minutes and call ARB HQ in Kilsyth VIC ... that's where they're made. With a bit of luck Sam from ARB might chime in on the thread again.

[Mungus]

Yes you can fit and ARB Bar to a D4 3.0 SE as that's what I have. Wind noise excuse is a crock. The HSE has front cameras. Check out the fitting instructions ...

Deluxe winch bar | Products | ARB 4x4 Accessories (http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-protection-equipment/bull-bars/deluxe-bull-bars/3432200/)

It states not suitable for HSE and V8. Take a few minutes and call ARB HQ in Kilsyth VIC ... that's where they're made. With a bit of luck Sam from ARB might chime in on the thread again.

He has! And as Sam stated in post 32 (i think), the website has been updated and now only states 'not suitable for V8'.

[aferrier]

He has! And as Sam stated in post 32 (i think), the website has been updated and now only states 'not suitable for V8'.

Yes, after reading Sam's entry you're correct... ARB just need to update their install docs to reflect the change.

[Guppy]

Hi af,

How is the gap between your bar and the lights. Mine seems to be more on the passenger side. My bar was also fitted at Kilsyth.

Thanks

Gup

[aferrier]

I bet you're loving those FYRLYTs :cool:

itching to get to a road dark enough, quiet enough, flat enough and long enough to adjust them properly. Great lights!!!

[Tombie]

itching to get to a road dark enough, quiet enough, flat enough and long enough to adjust them properly. Great lights!!!

Yes...

I'm off to have lunch with the CEO of Fyrlyt this week... :D

[aferrier]

Hi af,

How is the gap between your bar and the lights. Mine seems to be more on the passenger side. My bar was also fitted at Kilsyth.

Thanks

Gup

Now you mention it.. i'd say there's 5mm difference but unsure if that's the fit of the vehicle or the "that looks about level" factor.;)

[Guppy]

Now you mention it.. i'd say there's 5mm difference but unsure if that's the fit of the vehicle or the "that looks about level" factor.;)

Even the guys at ARB have commented that the gap on mine just does not look right - even standing sideways :D

[ARB 4X4 Accessories]

Yes, after reading Sam's entry you're correct... ARB just need to update their install docs to reflect the change.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll forward this info on and get them updated.

Cheers, Sam.

[101RRS]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll forward this info on and get them updated.

Cheers, Sam.

And you need a version of your D3/D4 bars to fit the equivalent Range Rover Sports. Same basic car and the D3 bar will fit the RRS with minimal modification but of course the bar is not certified for the RRS. Something I think ARB should be looking at.

The usual story that there is no demand does not wash - make them and they will come.

Garry

[ADMIRAL]

And you need a version of your D3/D4 bars to fit the equivalent Range Rover Sports. Same basic car and the D3 bar will fit the RRS with minimal modification but of course the bar is not certified for the RRS. Something I think ARB should be looking at.

The usual story that there is no demand does not wash - make them and they will come.

Garry

Garry,

It is not just demonstrated demand. Any aftermarket supplier/manufacturer worth his salt, will look at how many vehicles of a type have been sold, and how many owners are likely to be potential purchasers of a product. Then the math is generally, how many will sell, divided by the R&D and manufacturing cost. If the costs cannot be reasonably recovered, the product will not get to first base. However, I would guess there are a lot of products out there that should not have been given a go ahead, but someone got the math wrong.

[101RRS]

Garry,

It is not just demonstrated demand. Any aftermarket supplier/manufacturer worth his salt, will look at how many vehicles of a type have been sold, and how many owners are likely to be potential purchasers of a product. Then the math is generally, how many will sell, divided by the R&D and manufacturing cost. If the costs cannot be reasonably recovered, the product will not get to first base. However, I would guess there are a lot of products out there that should not have been given a go ahead, but someone got the math wrong.

You are totally correct, however at one stage for about a year the RRS outsold the D3 so at least one stage, equivalent demand would have been there remembering it is not the 4wding set that buy the most bars but the town cruisers wannabes - as well there are only small mods that are required - not a complete new bar. ARB could have done the compliancing for the RRS at the same time as they did for the D3 but chose not to do so.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Mike_S]

If there was a bar for the RRS, I'd have one.

[mikel]

Not sure if anybody can answer my question but is the standard front bumper removed completely unharmed when an ARB bar is installed to a D4. I have ordered a winch bar for our 2012 D4 and want to retain the standard bar for future use / resale when the winch bar is installed but have heard (?) that it will be damaged in the installation. I have looked at the installation instructions and it is not clear if any part of the original bumper is used apart from the wheel arch flairs.
Thanks for any informed input.
Mike

[Guppy]

Mike,

If you ask them when you order/drop your car off, they will keep it in tact. I had my 2010 done with a winch bar and have the full plastic bumper and the cross brace returned - in one piece.

Gup

[aferrier]

Now I have the ARB and with a second battery and General Grabbers, I'd like to know what others are running their tyre pressures at? I'm currently sitting at 35psi.

[ADMIRAL]

You are totally correct, however at one stage for about a year the RRS outsold the D3 so at least one stage, equivalent demand would have been there remembering it is not the 4wding set that buy the most bars but the town cruisers wannabes - as well there are only small mods that are required - not a complete new bar. ARB could have done the compliancing for the RRS at the same time as they did for the D3 but chose not to do so.


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/Forum%20Posts%20Album/ARB-RRS2.jpg
Probably came back to ' potential users ' The market expectation is undoubtedly that a D4 purchaser is more likely to use his vehicle for more hard core work, and so need that type of accessory. The RRS unfairly ( ask Gordon ) still has the rep as the 'Toorak taxi' and is probably not regarded as a serious 4x4 by aftermarket accessory manufacturers, and a lot of 'other' 4x4 owners. ( even LR owners if recent comments on AULRO are an indication ) There are also a lot of 'other ' 4x4 owner/drivers quite taken aback when they see Gordon's RRS, what he does with it, and where it goes. ( to the point, where i have overheard people even asking , ' what is that thing ? ') Have to wait for a 'boutique ' manufacturer to pick up the case.

[mervwho]

No Opposite Lock winch bars until the mid to end of August.

[Canaussie]

Well was told deluxe bullbar would be off the production July 10th, called my local ARB dealer to see when I can expect the bar for the D4. Well the response I got yesterday was that ARB was focusing on production for the 200 series:mad: I don't understand why a vehicle that guzzles fuel requires service every 10k is so bloody popular. I was told maybe two weeks but not definitive......... I guess I'll have to be patient.

:(
Billy

[roamer]

focusing on production for the 200 series:mad: I don't understand why a vehicle that guzzles fuel requires service every 10k is so bloody popular.
:(
Billy

Because you don't have to wait to get your bullbar....:angel:

[jon3950]

Question for D4 owners with ARB bars.

Can you remove the headlights without removing the bar?

Cheers,
Jon

[stray dingo]

Well was told deluxe bullbar would be off the production July 10th, called my local ARB dealer to see when I can expect the bar for the D4. Well the response I got yesterday was that ARB was focusing on production for the 200 series:mad: I don't understand why a vehicle that guzzles fuel requires service every 10k is so bloody popular. I was told maybe two weeks but not definitive......... I guess I'll have to be patient.

:(
Billy

Interesting. I got a call from my installer two weeks ago saying he had just received mine from ARB and it was ready to go. Its currently being installed.

[away]

Hi Terry, there hasn't been any official instruction from Head Office re the fitment of bars to HSE Disco 3 and 4 and to our knowledge there hasn't been any feedback re excessive levels of wind noise from customers or stockists.

If anyone has an HSE with our bar fitted, we'd love to hear any feedback that may have re wind noise.

Cheers, Sam.

I have one of your bars on my D3 and I haven't noticed any undue wind noise. I also have an Expedition Rack and Raised Air Intake on the same vehicle and any wind noise that I do hear appears to be coming from them.

Russ

[D3mike]

I got an ARB deluxe bar & warn winch on my D3 TDV6 SE, snorkel, roof pod, foxwing, rhino rack...I hear the snorkel for "wind noise" thru the intake but no bull bar noise.

D3mike

[Tombie]

Question for D4 owners with ARB bars.

Can you remove the headlights without removing the bar?

Cheers,
Jon

No you can not...

But it moves enough to be able to change bulbs etc....

[jon3950]

No you can not...

But it moves enough to be able to change bulbs etc....

Thanks Mike. Same as D3 then - pity. It puts me off fitting one to the D4.

Cheers,
Jon

[NavyDiver]

Hi Terry, there hasn't been any official instruction from Head Office re the fitment of bars to HSE Disco 3 and 4 and to our knowledge there hasn't been any feedback re excessive levels of wind noise from customers or stockists.

If anyone has an HSE with our bar fitted, we'd love to hear any feedback that may have re wind noise.

Cheers, Sam.

Feed back Sam- the high lift jack points are no good mate. They are too close together and lift the front half of the car untill it falls over.
Nice bar -shame about the lift points and doube shame that you have no recovery points as well.

[Tombie]

Feed back Sam- the high lift jack points are no good mate. They are too close together and lift the front half of the car untill it falls over.
Nice bar -shame about the lift points and doube shame that you have no recovery points as well.

Why would it have recovery points? The D3 and D4 have a factory rated recovery point which the ARB bar and under-plate makes easily accessible? ;)

Personally, I would never jack a vehicle from the bullbar... Just not a good place to do it for stability.

[Tombie]

Thanks Mike. Same as D3 then - pity. It puts me off fitting one to the D4.

Cheers,
Jon

Dont be put off, doesnt seem to cause operational issues, and as I said, can easily access light to replace bulbs etc...

Only time I can see a problem is if a headlight was broken - which would likely require bar replacement anyhow :)

Once the bar is fitted, removing and replacing is only 20 minutes go to whoa.

I've done it solo twice (dont ask) so with a helper its easy.

[elsey]

I am in western Qld at the moment and the order of the day for bull bars out here is anything from a four to a six poster on everything from Commodores to 200 Series Tojos. They all have checker plate side steps, except on the sedans, and two (double) brush bars connecting the steps to the bull bars. The fronts are covered with a heavy mesh with driving lights set behind the mesh. Yesterday I saw a D3 with this set up and spoke to the lady who was driving it, she was from a station in the area and said that "you really need them out here and that they have them on all of their vehicles". The most common brand is, wait for it 'Hopper Knockers' and 'Tuff'. These are real Bull Bars.

Lou...

[NavyDiver]

Why would it have recovery points? The D3 and D4 have a factory rated recovery point which the ARB bar and under-plate makes easily accessible? ;)

Personally, I would never jack a vehicle from the bullbar... Just not a good place to do it for stability.

Point taken- Lift point are on the ARB bars and I agree it could be very dangerous which prompted my post.

The recovery points on the winch bar might be helpful when we are 3/4 drowned in mud and needing a snatch block back to the car Tombie. Under the car is fine in nice condidtions. Most times I am winching I would have to go diving or digging to get under the car. I understand some people pay for mud baths but would still like a rated point on the bar to avoid them myself.:D

[jon3950]

Dont be put off, doesnt seem to cause operational issues, and as I said, can easily access light to replace bulbs etc...

Only time I can see a problem is if a headlight was broken - which would likely require bar replacement anyhow :)

Once the bar is fitted, removing and replacing is only 20 minutes go to whoa.

I've done it solo twice (dont ask) so with a helper its easy.

Or if you're facing a replacement due to a sticky shutter, which I may be on my D3 (but seems to have fixed itself for now). Mine will take more than 20 mins though as I'll have to cut off the cover plate underneath.

How did you support the weight of the bar doing it by yourself? I was thinking of using an engine hoist.

Ultimately I probably wont be put off, but I must admit I've been disappointed with the bar on the D3.

Cheers,
Jon

[Tombie]

Point taken- Lift point are on the ARB bars and I agree it could be very dangerous which prompted my post.

The recovery points on the winch bar might be helpful when we are 3/4 drowned in mud and needing a snatch block back to the car Tombie. Under the car is fine in nice condidtions. Most times I am winching I would have to go diving or digging to get under the car. I understand some people pay for mud baths but would still like a rated point on the bar to avoid them myself.:D

No bars out there have a rated "snatch" recovery point fitted...

[Tombie]

Or if you're facing a replacement due to a sticky shutter, which I may be on my D3 (but seems to have fixed itself for now). Mine will take more than 20 mins though as I'll have to cut off the cover plate underneath.

How did you support the weight of the bar doing it by yourself? I was thinking of using an engine hoist.

Ultimately I probably wont be put off, but I must admit I've been disappointed with the bar on the D3.

Cheers,
Jon

I'm a big bloke :D Just held it on my knee whilst reaching under and putting the first 2 bolts in by hand.

One could use a trolley jack to support it if needed.

[Canaussie]

Well after months of waiting the ARB deluxe winch bar is getting installed today, will post up some pics later

[Canaussie]

51745Finally on woot woot, looks really good and I'm happy with the install