Iveco Daily Forward Control 4x4

[goingbush]

Now heres a New 4x4 I would want to buy,
http://www.carsguide.com.au/images/uploads/Iveco-Daily-W1.jpg
Would make an awesome camper

Iveco Daily 4x4 goes on sale | carsguide.com.au (http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/iveco_daily_4x4_goes_on_sale)

There is no news of it yet on the Iveco website

Would it be welcome at AULRO because of its Landrover Links, after all the discontinued Iveco Massif uses Daily 4x4 running gear , and a Massif is just a rebadged Santana Landrover


Good to see the Massif rear diff is not in the centre of the axle, like all the Jap stuff now is, but sure as hell have to be tougher than rover /p38 diffs & I'm loving the standard rear diff lock & optional front diff lock

http://www.fwi.co.uk/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=3808048

I just found out the Daily 4x4 diffs are in the centre Front (WTF) & rear

[isuzurover]

The iveco Massif is still basically a landrover with all the crap bits replaced by good bits.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/19.jpg
The Daily has a D44(?) front diff right in the middle!!! So I don't like your chances of an offset rear diff.

It is certainly no unimog... Still has leaf springs!

EDIT - rear diff looks central too - well at least they are in line! Transfer case must be a bit strange...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/20.jpg
http://images.vansandtrucks.co.uk/top-10-commercial-vehicles-for-sale.jpg

[LowRanger]

I quite like the dual cab:cool:

[Vern]

I remember see in one of these at Iveco when I was doing some work there, it was rapped up in plastic though and was set up as a camper.:)

[isuzurover]

I quite like the dual cab:cool:

Yes it does look quite good...
Some drive train pics here:
http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/assets/pdf/iveco_daily_4x4_dual_and_single_cab.pdf

The diffs and axles certainly look solid. SOA leaf springs front and rear probably wouldn't give the best ride though, and it may have a high CofG.

Certainly has heaps of ground clearance though! 2 lockers and 2 diff covers and it would go quite well off-road.

[superquag]

"... The iveco Massif is still basically a landrover with all the crap bits replaced by good bits. "

- Which means there isn't much LR left, mainly the suspension-design concept... :angel:

[LowRanger]

Yes it does look quite good...
Some drive train pics here:
http://www.earthcruiser.com.au/assets/pdf/iveco_daily_4x4_dual_and_single_cab.pdf

The diffs and axles certainly look solid. SOA leaf springs front and rear probably wouldn't give the best ride though, and it may have a high CofG.

Certainly has heaps of ground clearance though! 2 lockers and 2 diff covers and it would go quite well off-road.

I think with an aftermarket set of springs to soften the ride,as I would never want to carry anywhere near what it is rated to carry,and with the suspension seats that it looks like it has,and a set of 37's.I think it would make a really good tourer.

[minibloodhound]

Might be a good alternative for a small canter or Isuzu which is what I'm looking for at the moment, and a quick look on YouTube shows it has waaaaay more articulation than either! Just have to bring it in at the right price.

[LowRanger]

Here is a link to a bit more info and some pics
Iveco Daily 4x4 (http://www.goannatracks.com/Home/Iveco_Daily_4x4.html)

Going to be expensive though,at over $80K

(http://www.aulro.com/afvb/www.goannatracks.com/Home/Iveco_Daily_4x4.html)

[inside]

The iveco Massif is still basically a landrover with all the crap bits replaced by good bits.
They seemed to have removed the springs and replaced them with leaf suspension. Do they have drums as well?


These models are rated to tow 3500kg and have a total weight limit (the combined weight of the vehicle, load and trailer) of 5500kg although the specification of the Australian vehicle has not been finalized.
Can't be right. My 110 has GVM of 3200 plus towing of 3500 = 6700kg. You'd think GCVM would be more for this?

[DeanoH]

I spoke with

Roger Lake
Fleet Sales Manager
Melbourne International Truck Centre
Cnr Quantum Close & South Gippsland Hwy, Dandenong Vic 3175
Email rlake@melbourneinternational.com.au
Ph (03) 9702 7200 Mob 0417 180 290 Fax (03) 9702 8600


back in March re this vehicle. There is currently a demo single cab and a dual cab doing the rounds in Victoria. They were on display at the Melbourne truck show earlier this year.


Prices advised then were $70K for the single cab and $75K for the dual cab.

Iveco was proposing dual compliance, one at <3500 Kg for camper conversions and those without a heavy vehicle endorsement and one at 5500 Kg for those who wanted it. Identical vehicle, dual compliance, you choose. GCM for the heavy unit was 9000 Kg.



Specs quoted were 3 litre, 4 cyl, 16 valve,125 Kw (170 HP) @ 2990-3500 rpm, 400 Nm (295 ftlb) @ 1250-2990 rpm, 6 speed all synchro, 2 reduction (3 speed) transfer case, tyres either 9.5R X 17.5 or 255/100 (9.00) R 16 on 6" rims, front disk, rear drum, ABS & EBD, 90 litre fuel tank with 120 Km/hr gearing.


Deano:)

[isuzurover]

They seemed to have removed the springs and replaced them with leaf suspension. Do they have drums as well?



You need to do your homework. Santana started making Landrovers under licence in the 1950s. Long before coils. Santana developed 3.4L 6 cyl versions of the (4cyl) 2.25P and 2.25D - which put LR's IOE 6cyl offerings to shame. They developed the LT85 5 speed. They chose not to go to coils when LR did - for whatever reason. They split with LR around 1988-90, which meant LR had to use the (weak) LT77 5-speed in the defenders. The Santana PS110 was rebadged as the Iveco Massif, pictured above. Apart from the leaf springs, it has axles that are strong and properly designed, and a 2.8L or 3.0L Iveco TD engine which puts the puny engine to shame.

[Hymie]

Now if I could get a bus body on one it would have to beat an OKA.

[JayBoRover]

Both the dual cab and single cab are FUGLY!!! Hope they look better in the flesh, as I certainly don't like them from the photo's. Just MHO of course.

[inside]

You need to do your homework.
I claim to be no expert on the LR Santana relationship. I was of the opinion we liked our coils, it's one of the great things about our sheds on wheels.
So despite the great things that Santana has done in the past this is a 70K+ vehicle on leaf springs, I don't apologise for not being excited.

I like coils.

forklift flex test on unimog with raawfab progressive springs - YouTube

[isuzurover]

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I like coils.

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So do I, but I also like proper axles and decent engines.

[superquag]

There's enough expertise around the aftermarket world to work some magic skullduggery on the springs, make it ride betterer etc. - Would be worth the pain to have a reliable and strong engine/drive/diffs. :p

Strictly speaking, its not a Forward Control as the driver sits behind the front wheels. More like a SBV style, bit like those Mitsubishi DELICA's - grey imports some years ago...

[inside]

There's enough expertise around the aftermarket world to work some magic skullduggery on the springs, make it ride betterer etc. - Would be worth the pain to have a reliable and strong engine/drive/diffs. :p
I guess I'm having trouble discrediting the turbo Isuzu coiled Salisbury approach. Sure axles are weak but that is easily fixed. I'd rather replace axles than make ancient leaf spring tech work in the modern day. I hate leaf springs it just seems lazy and old tech. Horses pull carts on leaf springs.....

[33chinacars]

I want a dual cab
I want a dual cab
I want a dual cab [bawl][bawl][bawl]


Bugger not enough money :wasntme:

[DeanoH]

Now if I could get a bus body on one it would have to beat an OKA.

Exactly the reason I was looking. Dimensions are nearly identical to our OKA LT but newer all round. I particularly liked the three speed transfer case (and creature comforts).

As for coil vs leaf springs. Properly set up long leaves/shocker combo will give an excellent ride and with the natural dampening of leaves (something coils do not have) you are unlikely to have shocker issues as the load placed on them is much less than for a coil sprung vehicle.

Deano:)

[goingbush]

some underneath shots in this video (if your fast on the pause button)
Test Drive con Iveco Daily 4x4 a Cava de&#39; Tirreni (SA) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AZnaRdDJ8hg#)!

Iveco Daily 4x4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=801Rdl0nkuE#)!

Iveco Daily 4x4, Bocklet Dakar 630 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=9owLXGI5lWs)

I love coils too but we all know you dont need huge articulation for good 4WD ability.

It actually looks like a bloody good truck
Cant wait to get my hands on one,

[sashadidi]

Looks Interesting , there was a bit of discussion on the defender 2 forum and one Italian guy has a van with same Iveco engine and gearbox ans lots of problems also but naturally could be a one off, guess again up to the dealer for good support and knowledge.....

Quote: Before bought my defender I tried for 3 days the Massif...................



I bought the Defender!!!!!



My Iveco light truck (same engine and gerabox of Massif) i two Years:

3 turbos
2 gearboxes
1 engine
6 (yes six) EGR valve
3 High pressure fuel pump
2 Vacuum servo
1 Instrument cluster

and....

- brakes still blocked (3 Iveco investigations w/o results)
- Gearbox absolutely not hard, more than hard when changing from 1st to 2nd and from 2nd to 3rd
- when empty +/- 5 - 6 km/l, when fully charged ...........................
- Electrical circuits: always problem
- ............

Link:Defender2 - View topic - Would you trade your Puma for an Iveco Massif? (http://www.defender2.net/forum/post28009.html?highlight=iveco#28009)

[BMKal]

Not the 4WD version - but we bought a new Iveco Daily dual cab tray top for use as our workshop / boilermakers truck on the minesite a little over a year ago. Great little truck to drive when it's going - but that's all that can be said about it. Unfortunately - it hasn't been "going" for most of the time that we have had it. Has spent more than 50% of it's life either parked up waiting for parts, or back at the dealers / service agents getting fixed.

A couple of weeks ago we did what we should have done a long time ago - sent it off site on a tilt tray back to Skippers in Perth (where we bought it from) - told them what they could do with it, and purchased a second hand Mitsubishi 4WD dual cab tray top to replace it.

Would never recommend an Iveco to anyone. Drivetrain and suspension might be OK, but engine and electronics are crap. Possibly OK for city dwellers where you are not too far from the dealers - but totally useless in remote areas.

Neighbour over the back fence in Kalgoorlie has post office contract for delivering mail to a number of smaller towns around the goldfields. He used to have two Iveco Daily vans for this. After also suffering very poor reliability with his - he has got rid of them both and replaced with Mercedes.

[landy]

So.....Let me get this right. Santana got rid of all the bad bits, replaced with all the good bits, couldn't sell it in enough numbers and sold the rights to iveco. Iveco then fitted even more good bits like axles and engines and still couldn't sell enough units to make it viable so dumped it. However, Landrover who apparently make a crap version of the same car are still making them and selling in enough numbers to be viable except for euro engineering regs.
Why were the Santana/Iveco potential customers rushing to buy Landrovers then?
I think it's a pretty good vehicle. If you want a great car, buy something else. If you want a great 4WD, buy a Defender.

Just my tuppence!

Nino

[isuzurover]

So.....Let me get this right. Santana got rid of all the bad bits, replaced with all the good bits, couldn't sell it in enough numbers and sold the rights to iveco. Iveco then fitted even more good bits like axles and engines and still couldn't sell enough units to make it viable so dumped it. However, Landrover who apparently make a crap version of the same car are still making them and selling in enough numbers to be viable except for euro engineering regs.
Why were the Santana/Iveco potential customers rushing to buy Landrovers then?
I think it's a pretty good vehicle. If you want a great car, buy something else. If you want a great 4WD, buy a Defender.

Just my tuppence!

Nino

Based on your logic, Toyota must be the best 4x4 vehicles on the market...

[Davehoos]

I worked close to the dealer--and loved to drive these.
makes a mit canter look good.at the council we have hino and isuzu--lets hope that mitubishi doesnt follow down their path.

lots of companies around here bought transits--the ones that didnt go broke bought benz or daily.
lost count of the engine conversions fitted to these vans to get them economical.ford australia should have set up the falcon 6 to repower these euro flops.

I had a builder come in with a used low K crew cab iveco sent by the dealer.the a/c compressor had died and the system designed around european green recycle laws--not ability to work or buy parts.

we then walked around the truck and made a list that got very long over a few weeks.

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

But can it do this??

Golden Crack Moab,Utah - YouTube




Using Capitals, the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse or helping your uncle jack off a horse...

[landy]

I don't think that's what I was trying to to say at all. That's apples and oranges. But Landrover-Santana-Iveco are all developments of a basic series III/ stage 1 and I still think my comments stand. Customers vote with there feet, there's no more maffif and apparently it's much better than a Defender.

[TerryO]

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