Can D3 17's fit a D4 (2.7)

[Ozzy119]

Hi all,

If they do fit how much are they and aside from a dealer how hard are they to get hold of?

I guess I'm just thinking ahead really as next tyre change I would like more option. I have recently put Cooper AT3 on and although they appear good I am slightly suspicious about how soft they look. The sidewall doesn't look as protected as, for example a BFG AT and the tyre seems to bag out a bit, even at 40 psi.

cheers,

[TerryO]

Hi Ozzy,

If you have a look at Redback's posts you will see he has purchased off second hand 17" BMW X5 rims that look just like LR rims and are cheap compared to D3 rims.

cheers,
Terry

[Geedublya]

Yes, they do fit.

You can look for second hand ones in the markets (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/wheels-tyres-suspension-sale/150449-genuine-17-rims-suit-d3-4-a.html).

You can buy steelies (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-3-STEEL-WHEELS-17X7-/230617515546?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35b1e0061a) (here (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/17-X-8-DYNAMIC-SUNRAYSIA-WHEEL-5-STUD-SUIT-LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-3-V6-4WD-RIM-/180846258955?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a1b46eb0b) as well) but the offset is not legal in some states and some people have reported cracking.

You can buy BMW X5 wheels (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BMW-X5-Wheels-Genuine-Tyres-/300715887751?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4604104c87). (and here (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-Bmw-X5-Wheels-/130703181066?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e6e84450a))These are the correct offset and PCD but the load rating is unknown but assumed to be adequate.

You can buy Performance BB6 (http://www.performancewheels.com.au/Home/Wheels.asp'theGroup=4&Cat=4WD).

[Redback]

As above:D

[scarry]

I went the D3 wheel way,better to have a wheel that you know the load rating of,for insurance purposes,etc.

I also looked at LT tyres 10yrs ago,and one reason i went with BFG was because of less sidewall bulge.Haven't destroyed one yet,or even had a flat.

Put a set on the D4 as soon as i got it.

I do run them at 42psi,where on the D2,36 to 38 was ok.

The x5 ones also may be slightly wider than the D3 genuine,so different sized tyres may fit

[jonesy63]

I went with steel wheels and BFG KM2 - as they are both really tough. :cool:

I did hit a washout (late afternoon - hidden in shadows) on the Mereenie loop road in Nov 2010 and had to get a slight dent one rear wheel banged out. I suspect an alloy would have been wrecked in that hit. :eek:

About to head to Flinders-Oodnadatta Tk-Darwin-GRR-Broome in a month. Can't wait to hit the road! :D

[sniegy]

Yes is the answer as you can see.

I like the Factory 17's, so does my insurer.

They are just painted black. Got mine from the UK as it was heaps cheaper.
In Aus people want blood money. Found a lovely breaker (wrecker) in the UK who boxed them for me & a friend as we ordered 12 & shipped them across.
Fitted Mickey Thompson MTZ's LT 265/65/17

It pays to shop around.

Cheers & good luck.

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[101RRS]

I went with steel wheels and BFG KM2 - as they are both really tough. :cool:

Did you go with 245/70 R 17s. Do they touch anywhere? What about at access height.

Cheers

Garry

[TerryO]

I have a set of Cooper STT 245/70/17's on BB6's and they don't rub Garry even at access height, both the AT3 265/60/18's that I usually run and 245/70/17's are the same height.

cheers,
Terry

[scarry]

Did you go with 245/70 R 17s. Do they touch anywhere? What about at access height.

Cheers

Garry

I have them in BFG A/T,no problems at all.
If you check the diameter they are very close to the OEM 18' size,255/60/18,and slightly narrower,245 against 255.

I went this way so there was no issues,and also spare fits where it belongs,and they are LT.
I also didn't want to have to change wheels everytime i went bush,which in my opinion is a PITA.

[Graeme]

I have Yoko AT/S in LT245/70-17 (LI 119) on my D4. 265/65-17 is the same diameter so opens-up more brand, pattern and load rating options. I have no complaints about the tyre or the size but wonder if 265/65-17 would provide beneficial extra floatation in sand, albeit at the expense of fuel consumption especially on gravel.

[scarry]

I have Yoko AT/S in LT245/70-17 (LI 119) on my D4. 265/65-17 is the same diameter so opens-up more brand, pattern and load rating options. I have no complaints about the tyre or the size but wonder if 265/65-17 would provide beneficial extra floatation in sand, albeit at the expense of fuel consumption especially on gravel.

But as the D3 rim is 7",they may not fit.

Some of the X5 rims are wider,maybe BB6's as well?

The 265/7017 is available in the heavier load rating which is good.

Not only would they probably be slightly better in sand,they probably look better as well,but may rub due to the extra width?

[Graeme]

Sniegy has already posted that he uses 265/65-17 on LR 17x7 rims. I might fit Yoko AT/S on this size for a lower load rating (112) for softer everyday use because I need a soft ride, and LT ones in either 245/70 or 265/65 on a 2nd set of rims for outback travel. I wont fit 265/70-17 because the wheels wont turn with the vehicle on the bump-stops, which is always a possibility with air suspension. X5 17" rims are 7.5" and tyre function far outweighs appearance for me.

Sniegy, what load rating are your tyres? Their web-site doesn't list your size.

[scarry]

Maybe a mistake,Sniegy's may be 265/70/16,which is OK on a 7" rim.That's why he needs a rear wheel carrier.

265/65/17 should have rim 7.5' or larger.

As for ride softness,the 17's on my D4 are no worse than the 18' OEM's.
But a 17' with a lower rating would be better again,if that is what is your need.

For me,a bit of a worse ride,or for that matter a slight increase in road noise is immaterial,compared with having tyre trouble.

It's easy to make mistakes with these tyre sizes.When i was trying to sort out tyres for the D4,i to made mistakes looking around.
I find tire rack is very good for looking at tyre specs,just go to any tyre and then click on the 'specs'.
Some Aus tyre sites give very few specs,particularly the BFG site.

[101RRS]

The BFG site has had issues for ages - go to the Jax site it has all the BFG information.

I am getting four 17" BMW rims this week and as I have BFG MT KM2s on my truck and they seem pretty good onroad and off I would mind going the same. MT MTZs could also be an option.

Garry

[Graeme]

My LT 17s provide a softer ride than the 19" Pirelli ATRs they replaced which surprised me a little, although the ATRs are renowned for having stiffer sidewalls than the OEM tyres. Whilst I like trouble-free tyres and prefer just 1 set, I may try the P-rated Yokos because of the gravel road survival reports for the 265/60-18 size (LI 110) - about the only brand in that size! However I disliked the 245/70-16 tyres I fitted to my D2 after having used 225/75-16 for a long time because they were too wide for good traction on slippery surfaces and the same problem occurred with the D4 with the 255 Pirellis, so I may stay with 245/70-17.

I suspect Sniegy will confirm or correct his tyre size.

Edit: Sniegy's tyres appear to have more sidewall height than my 245s so perhaps they are really 265/70-17.

[gghaggis]

I used the following 265/70R17 tyres on my D3: Mickey Thompson ATZ, MTZ and Maxxis AT. They were all rated as suitable for the 7" rim. Didn't have issues with ride on the bump stops for the AT tyres. Didn't try it with the MTZ's, however, the larger (but also sized as 265/70R17) Super Swampers wouldn't clear at bumps-stop height.

Cheers,

Gordon

[TerryO]

To try amd make this clear Gordon when you say 'bump stop height' your not actually talking about access height are you?
I take it your talking about when the vehicle is sitting on its bump stops meaning all the way down.

I can see why this should be checked when fitting larger tyres as last week when I had a airbag pop if I had tyres fitted that couldn't turn without rubbing when it was sitting on its bumpstops then it would have been impossible to move the vehicle.

cheers,
Terry

[101RRS]

Is there a way you can actually reduce the vehicle to the bumpstops to check clearances?

Garry

[Graeme]

Starting and perhaps moving the vehicle with a Llams module disconnected is likely to cause lowering to the bump-stops as loss of multiple height sensors is documented as a trigger condition. I can't remember trying it though.

[TerryO]

Is there a way you can actually reduce the vehicle to the bumpstops to check clearances?

Garry


I have a airbag with a hole in it that you can fit to see what bump stop height is like ...:angel:

cheers,
Terry

[Graeme]

I have a airbag with a hole in it that you can fit to see what bump stop height is like ...:angel:

cheers,
Terry
Wouldn't it be better to poke holes in his own, allowing you to keep your one rather than having to send it back after trying it?

[101RRS]

A hole in Terry's bag is better than a hole in my bag :o

[TerryO]

A hole in Terry's bag is better than a hole in my bag :o

Thats one of the things with old gas bags they have a habit of going down on you when you aren't expecting it. ...;)

cheers,
Terry

[sniegy]

My bad & the 2nd time too . . .
265/70/17 LT

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[gghaggis]

Disconnecting two height sensors and driving will usually bring the car down to the bump-stops (around 10 ~ 15mm lower than access). Of course, you don't want to drive too far away from a jack/workshop - getting the height sensor rods reconnected at bump-stop height is a bugger of a job!

Cheers,

Gordon

[Graeme]

the bump-stops (around 10 ~ 15mm lower than access)About 50 mm lower than access height on my D4.

[Tombie]

You could always look at having some blocks made up (urethane perhaps) and having a method of locking them in place (cable ties?)

Then if running oversize and a fault occurs could jack the vehicle up and insert spacers and be able to move..

I may investigate this option as I'm going to 265-70-17s on BMW rims soon.

[gghaggis]

Graeme,

That's odd - I know there is a bit of variance between individual cars, but that seems a lot. Perhaps the RRS access height is lower?

I measured all my front heights when I installed the EAS emergency kit (from centre-cap to top of wheel-arch) and got:

no air: 390mm
access: 405mm
normal: 462mm
off-road: 511mm

So 15mm difference from bump (no air) to access. Rears gave me 12mm difference. I might try it again to confirm.

Skuilnaam:

At bump stops neither my 265/70R17 (D3) or 285/60R18 (RRS) touch the wheel liner. There's some contact on hard lock at the fronts with the RRS, can't recall for the D3.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Graeme]

The RRS may have different suspension components to a D3 - even perhaps just the shock length. I don't recall any length difference between D3 and D4 shocks, only slightly different air-spring seat heights. I doubt the D4 suspension geometry changes to front and rear roll centres has any significant impact on bump-stop height.

Multiple bump-stops rubbers/blocks could be stacked on the shock shafts to provide a rubber block style emergency suspension but the shock/airspring assemblies would need to be removed to fit them, so not a quick option. Perhaps they're an option for a holed bag though.