ID a 80'' help please

[TOJO 12HT]

Ok i know this will b a long shot, but its all iv got atm.
Iv got these 2 80''s n on one theres a plate with these numbers on it ( THE ROVER CO. LTD. CAR No: 06106485 )

ill also try post up pics later
Thanks Loui

[Lotz-A-Landies]

80" soft top
Sent to Duncan & Phelps dealer in West Wyalong 1/5/1950
customer Trenerry
Engine 06106959
Ign Key MRN9

This 80" has a non-fishplate bumper, narrow front springs, the wide transom with "sprung shovel" seatbacks, 5" Butler headlamps behind the grill panel and yellow button freewheel unit transfer box.

If fitted the hoodbows should have the curved top.

Diana

[Mick-Kelly]

If it helps mine is car number R06101688 and was destpatched 'In' 13/09/1949 and despatched 'out' on 11/10/1949.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If it helps mine is car number R06101688 and was destpatched 'In' 13/09/1949 and despatched 'out' on 11/10/1949.Hi Mick

Your 80" differs from Loui's 80 in that your 1950 model was built in 1949 while Loui's is a 1950 build.

Also other differences, your vehicle is a ring pull freewheel unit, bakelite hand brake handle, flat top hoodbows and fishplate chassis/bumper.

Diana

BTW: Louis, if the second car doesn't have an ID, then you should be able to find the chassis number on the flat top of the LHS engine mount on the chassis. There may be two numbers but we need the long one.

[TOJO 12HT]

80" soft top
Sent to D & Phelps 1/5/1950
customer Trenerry
Engine 06106959
Ign Key MRN9

This 80" has a non-fishplate bumper, narrow front springs, the wide transom with "sprung shovel" seatbacks, 5" Butler headlamps behind the grill panel and yellow button freewheel unit transfer box.

If fitted the hoodbows should have the curved top.

Diana
Man thats amazeing, how u know all that from a few numbers. thanks heaps :)
Yeah your right its got real narrow springs, full grill (lights gone tho :(
wat looks like a green chassie, black painted front window sorounds, park lights in bulkhead, no external door handles
motor is missing tho but its got a pto
thanks again for your fast help mate regards loui

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Man thats amazeing, how u know all that from a few numbers. thanks heaps :)
....Good refererence sources! :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Man thats amazeing, how u know all that from a few numbers. thanks heaps :)
Yeah your right its got real narrow springs, full grill (lights gone tho :(
....Good refererence sources! :)

You can try Anthony Pearson, Classic and Vintage Bulbs in Adelaide for the Butler headlamps.

For a reasonable alternative you can use tractor headlamp reproductions for the grey Fergy TE20 tractors They were fitted with the same Butler lamps, but make sure that you get hi-low beam types. Otherwise you can fit 5" H4 or sealed beam inserts into the butler style housing.

[TOJO 12HT]

Good refererence sources! :)

You can try Anthony Pearson, Classic and Vintage Bulbs in Adelaide for the Butler headlamps.

For a reasonable alternative you can use tractor headlamp reproductions for the grey Fergy TE20 tractors They were fitted with the same Butler lamps, but make sure that you get hi-low beam types. Otherwise you can fit 5" H4 or sealed beam inserts into the butler style housing.

wish it only needed lights!! Haha
maybe a chassie n motor for a start or ill be pushin the old girl all the time ;)

[TOJO 12HT]

Hi Mick

Diana

BTW: Louis, if the second car doesn't have an ID, then you should be able to find the chassis number on the flat top of the LHS engine mount on the chassis. There may be two numbers but we need the long one.

:)) got it (i think lol) 06109272

[Lotz-A-Landies]

:)) got it (i think lol) 06109272Hi Louis

Unfortunately that is not a NSW vehicle so we don't have date and customer details, using close NSW vehicles it is likely the vehicle was sold late June or during July 1950.

Interestingly with all the changes that happened during the 80" models, the two vehicles you have acquired should have exactly the same specifications in all areas. Not many 80" restorers have that benefit, usually having a number of differences between vehicles.

Diana

[TOJO 12HT]

Hi Louis

Unfortunately that is not a NSW vehicle so we don't have date and customer details, using close NSW vehicles it is likely the vehicle was sold late June or during July 1950.

Interestingly with all the changes that happened during the 80" models, the two vehicles you have acquired should have exactly the same specifications in all areas. Not many 80" restorers have that benefit, usually having a number of differences between vehicles.

Diana
Hey Diana, thanks heaps!
Yeah i recon this one might be just a bit younger than first one, by the fact that its got lights thru the full grill?
Gunna upload pics (try)
some ppl recon it might be a snowy rover....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/843.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/844.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/845.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/846.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/847.jpg

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sorry Loui

We have the records of the SMHEC 80" and while they had a lot of them neither of yours are amongst the records of those vehicles.

Diana

[TOJO 12HT]

Sorry Loui

We have the records of the SMHEC 80" and while they had a lot of them neither of yours are amongst the records of those vehicles.

Diana

Ah yeah nah thats fairenough, much appretiated you help.
Iv uploaded a few pics, some worked.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi again Loui

You may have noticed I was correcting the errors in your image commands, at the same time as garry was telling you about it. Hope you dont mind that I merged the posts and deleted redundant discussion.

Someone seems to have retrofitted the 7" headlamp panel that didn't happen till chassis 06111547 and the headlamps in the mudguards was a common modification.

[TOJO 12HT]

Hi again Loui

You may have noticed I was correcting the errors in your image commands, at the same time as garry was telling you about it. Hope you dont mind that I merged the posts and deleted redundant discussion.



Someone seems to have retrofitted the 7" headlamp panel that didn't happen till chassis 06111547 and the headlamps in the mudguards was a common modification.

Nah, thanks alot! i was trying to edit but couldent get the hang of it, thamks again.

Oh righto, hmmm

im gunna have to move em soon or do something, as someone has figured out my stash n r helpin them selfs to parts!! of both the landys n cruisers :(
Wish i had a bigger shed lol

[Landy Smurf]

they are both in pretty good restorable condition. lucky

[TOJO 12HT]

they are both in pretty good restorable condition. lucky

yeah there not to bad, considering i saved em from the crusher in the height of crazy scrap value prizes! cost me a bit but i couldent let em be crushed up n sent to china to come back as a tata or now days a great wall ute...https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/792.jpg
but they to have mods n a fair rust https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/837.jpg

[TOJO 12HT]

be good to by this n fit on mine... fair pricey tho.
Ebay Item number: 120926866417

[TOJO 12HT]

heres a few more
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/829.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/830.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/831.jpg

[Landy Smurf]

the chassis rust repairs are normally fairly easy and if you need crossmembers they are not to hard to make up or find them off some one elses old chassis.the tailgate and doors you can also get made up what are you going to do with the 2 of them

[Lotz-A-Landies]

yeah there not to bad, considering i saved em from the crusher in the height of crazy scrap value prizes! cost me a bit but i couldent let em be crushed up n sent to china to come back as a tata or now days a great wall ute...https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/792.jpg Somepne has done major mods on this one to add the two master cylinders onto the firewall.

[TOJO 12HT]

the chassis rust repairs are normally fairly easy and if you need crossmembers they are not to hard to make up or find them off some one elses old chassis.the tailgate and doors you can also get made up what are you going to do with the 2 of them

Yeah thats it. Im quite handy with a mig n grinder/ plasma, done up the odd s2/3 chassie when i was 12-17.... theres heaps of spare doors n things, n i might b able to get another 80'' for spares

Well really id like to do em or at least one up
But every bush fire i worry theyll burn, n now ppl r takein parts of me!!
A mate was gunna give me a amount of cash to sell em to his mate, tank god it never went thru tho.
i really need a shed to store em in till i get the time to do em up again, real hard atm due to building my house n work n payim loans n bills dont leave me much for the things id like....
So yeah i dunno, but there not going for scrap!! to good for that, n if i did ever sell em theyd have to go to a s1 80'' person haha

[TOJO 12HT]

Somepne has done major mods on this one to add the two master cylinders onto the firewall.


Yeah they semmed to have hey,
But iv looked at it n it could easly be fixed back to normal, iv done auto to manual conversions on 60 series cruisers n that was more complex to do right

[TOJO 12HT]

Iv now found the radiator i put aside all the years ago!! All in good cond too, has a tag on it 2 50
must be date of manaufature?

[Defender Mike]

80" soft top
Sent to Duncan & Phelps dealer in West Wyalong 1/5/1950
customer Trenerry
Engine 06106959
Ign Key MRN9

This 80" has a non-fishplate bumper, narrow front springs, the wide transom with "sprung shovel" seatbacks, 5" Butler headlamps behind the grill panel and yellow button freewheel unit transfer box.

If fitted the hoodbows should have the curved top.

Diana

Hi Lotz-A-Landies

Im Looking at a 1950 ring pull with fishplate bumper. Number on brass plate is 06101566 any ideas on its history.:)

Mike

[Mick-Kelly]

Hi Lotz-A-Landies

Im Looking at a 1950 ring pull with fishplate bumper. Number on brass plate is 06101566 any ideas on its history.:)

Mike

Made just before mine (see page one of this thread) so built late 49, sold as a 50 model.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Lotz-A-Landies

Im Looking at a 1950 ring pull with fishplate bumper. Number on brass plate is 06101566 any ideas on its history.:)

MikeI can tell you that it was shipped to Regent Motors Melbourne, but no customer details.

And that it's official chassis number is R06101566 the "R" not being dropped till later in the year.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

:)) got it (i think lol) 06109272Thought I'd do a little more research, the vehicle was a Regent Motors vehicle

[Defender Mike]

I can tell you that it was shipped to Regent Motors Melbourne, but no customer details.

And that it's official chassis number is R06101566 the "R" not being dropped till later in the year.

Hi Diana,

There is no R on the plate but the first Zero has a stroke through it. So this is probably the earliest series 1 that I could ever dream to get my hands on. Its terribly tempting even though a bit expensive. All parts are original except tail lights which are trailer items. Its running and registerd.
Mike

[bulletproof]

80" soft top
Sent to Duncan & Phelps dealer in West Wyalong 1/5/1950
customer Trenerry
Engine 06106959
Ign Key MRN9

This 80" has a non-fishplate bumper, narrow front springs, the wide transom with "sprung shovel" seatbacks, 5" Butler headlamps behind the grill panel and yellow button freewheel unit transfer box.

If fitted the hoodbows should have the curved top.

Diana

Just a question regarding the 5 inch lights. Did the early Australian 80s have Butler 5 inch Headlights ?

My early 49er from Solihul was fitted with Lucas lights.

Cheers Richard

[LRO53]

Hi Lotz-A-Landies

Im Looking at a 1950 ring pull with fishplate bumper. Number on brass plate is 06101566 any ideas on its history.:)

Mike

Hi Mike,

06101566 was a CKD vehicle. (Ie it came in a batch of 6 other series ones then assembed locally)
(06101567 It's sister vehicle in the same batch was sold on or around 31-3-1950 which gives you an idea of when it was assembed in australia)

The long time between the Dispatched Out date and when it was actually sold is mainly because 1566 is an early CKD vehicle and the CKD factory would have been only just starting to assemble vehicles like this. These very early CKDs can be quite interesting as sometimes they can have "Quirks" Eg. Pop rivets in the wrong places or Bulkhead/ID Badges put on at the wrong spot. Even in somecases no chassis number stamped on the chassis.

Dispatched out: 1-9-1949

Dispatched In: 1-9-1949

To: Regent Motors Melbourne

[Defender Mike]

Hi Mike,

06101566 was a CKD vehicle. (Ie it came in a batch of 6 other series ones then assembed locally)
(06101567 It's sister vehicle in the same batch was sold on or around 31-3-1950 which gives you an idea of when it was assembed in australia)

The long time between the Dispatched Out date and when it was actually sold is mainly because 1566 is an early CKD vehicle and the CKD factory would have been only just starting to assemble vehicles like this. These very early CKDs can be quite interesting as sometimes they can have "Quirks" Eg. Pop rivets in the wrong places or Bulkhead/ID Badges put on at the wrong spot. Even in somecases no chassis number stamped on the chassis.

Dispatched out: 1-9-1949

Dispatched In: 1-9-1949

To: Regent Motors Melbourne

Ahhah that expalins a few things. I was wondering why this one is a ring pull and my friends 50 I was looking at yesterday which has an earlier number is not.
Mike:)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just a question regarding the 5 inch lights. Did the early Australian 80s have Butler 5 inch Headlights ?

My early 49er from Solihul was fitted with Lucas lights.

Cheers RichardHi Richard

I think you will find that Butlers Ltd were a company making automotive lamps in competition to Joseph Lucas Ltd during WW1 and the inter war years they were eventually bought out by Joseph Lucas Ltd. You still find reproduction of Butlers fittings for sale with companies like Holden's Vintage and Classic. You also find the Butlers lamps on commercial vehicles and tractors, so maybe Lucas used the Butlers brand as the low end market and the Joseph Lucas "King of the Road" as the brand fitted to the more exclusive vehicles.

Diana

[Defender Mike]

Hi Richard

I think you will find that Butlers Ltd were a company making automotive lamps in competition to Joseph Lucas Ltd during WW1 and the inter war years they were eventually bought out by Joseph Lucas Ltd. You still find reproduction of Butlers fittings for sale with companies like Holden's Vintage and Classic. You also find the Butlers lamps on commercial vehicles and tractors, so maybe Lucas used the Butlers brand as the low end market and the Joseph Lucas "King of the Road" as the brand fitted to the more exclusive vehicles.

Diana

Lucas the prince of darkness LOL:D

[bulletproof]

Hi Richard

I think you will find that Butlers Ltd were a company making automotive lamps in competition to Joseph Lucas Ltd during WW1 and the inter war years they were eventually bought out by Joseph Lucas Ltd. You still find reproduction of Butlers fittings for sale with companies like Holden's Vintage and Classic. You also find the Butlers lamps on commercial vehicles and tractors, so maybe Lucas used the Butlers brand as the low end market and the Joseph Lucas "King of the Road" as the brand fitted to the more exclusive vehicles.

Diana
Here is a photo of the proper lucas headlight .

The Lucas part numbers for 48-49
head light 50124
Rim and glass 552261 Originals are still available at Dunsfold

You will see the glass is dead flat with vertical ribs and the retaining ring is has a square edge.

On the Butler lights the glass is curved and the retaining ring is rounded

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/59.jpg


Cheers Richard

[Defender Mike]

Hi all,


The owner isnt sure what year or if its a 107 or 109 has a full grill with lights through not behind . Car number 277600604 anyone got any ideas.Has been holdenised.The firewall and dumbhangers are rusty would possibly be a good donor.
Mike:)

[Landy Smurf]

i checked in on calVIN and it said there were no results. so a number must be wrong there

[Defender Mike]

i checked in on calVIN and it said there were no results. so a number must be wrong there
He did say the 6 from last 3 digits ...604...was difficult to read and could be a 7 or a 5.
Mike

[andy_d110]

277600604 - Is listed as 1955 107" CKD RHD Export.

[Landy Smurf]

there you go

[Defender Mike]

I found one yipeee all I need now is a rear tub ,a few chassis bits ,a good firewall, and a genuine engine. Oh well its a start and may lead to something better.



Mike

[Landy Smurf]

seems like there are a few over wa way and alot in tasmania lately

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