spare tyre on puma bonnet?

[digger]

Is it possible?
is there some sort of aftermarket kit to do it?

I prefer it greatly to rear door mounted spare...

[Tombie]

I'm sure it could be done, but under current ADRs (which the TDCi has to meet) I'm pretty sure it wouldnt be legal.

Bonnet would need a whole stack of bracing though! May not fit under there with the tall engine in the 'hump'

[The Cone of Silence]

It definitely wouldn't be legal, unfortunately.

Due to the hump, the visibility would be restricted too much, although I'm not sure if the rules are federal or state-based.

Its a shame, I'd love to put a spare on the bonnet of mine.

[jplambs]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Apparently the answer is yes, found this with a google search, there are a couple of other images but nothing to indicate who makes them over in the eu.

[wally]

http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_4173.jpg

Apparently the answer is yes, found this with a google search, there are a couple of other images but nothing to indicate who makes them over in the eu.

That sure is ugly, and would be VERY difficult to see over, especially off road when you want to see the front corners of your vehicle. I've had the spare on my bonnet on previous Defenders - it gets it out of the way but does restrict vision.

[nugge t]

Pretty sure it is national and this wouldn't get close to legal.

I have seen a diagram some time back of the geometry required and it is a head spin for very little reward.

Be interesting trying to open the bonnet without smashing the front window too!

[Leyland1980]

Is the legality/illegality of bonnet mounting to do with obstruction of driver vision?

I have a TD5 with a front runner bonnet mount for a spare, I never use it but would it be legal if I did?

Cheers

John

[Tombie]

Grab the ADR John.

It specifies the testing procedure....

If I can find it, I will post it later.

[nugge t]

Grab the ADR John.

It specifies the testing procedure....

If I can find it, I will post it later.


Ditto..I have been looking for my copy too..filed it reallllllly safely!

From memory it was about mods but if it is original factory fitment you would think it would be OK but then again ......

[Jode]

As others have noted, your visibility is really going to be compromised with a tyre on the bonnet.

Our first Landie was an 'R6', which was LR's effort to break sanctions by assembling a CKD landie Series III kit in RSA and fitting a Rover in-line 6 cyl. petrol engine into it. This had a spare on the bonnet, which frankly I found to be a pain in the proverbial. I'm not a particularly big fella, and I found that the bonnet was much too heavy for my liking. And in view of the amount of time I was obliged to have my head down in the engine bay and my backside shooting the moon, I lifted the bonnet far more times than I would have preferred.

Our subsequent (V8) and current (300 TDI) had/have rear-mounted carriers, which I much prefer.

[juddy]

Theres a old thread of mine from a few years back on this subject, the French fire service use a spare bonnet carrier on their pre 07 Defenders.

The one in the picture on this thread is made by a company that we have recently become a distribution agent here in Australia. We will be offering a number of products from their range, we have not yet decided on this product however.

As for the issue of ADR, the issue only become relevant when a percentage of the drivers forward vision becomes obscured.

If you were to put a skinny tyre on there, say a XZL you would may well get away with it, anything larger and you would be illegal.

[Tombie]

Page 12 and 13 will help you...

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP6_Section_LH_Body_and_Chassis_01Jan2011_v3.pdf

Bonnet Scoop & Bonnet Protrusion.....

cheers

[juddy]

Nothing related to spare wheels.

[Tombie]

Nothing related to spare wheels.

A spare wheel on the bonnet qualifies as a "bonnet protrusion" ;)

Hence my original comment....


4.1 BONNET SCOOPS AND PROJECTIONS
Modifications to the bonnet of a vehicle must take into account the possibility that a pedestrian
or cyclist might strike the scoop or bonnet projection in a collision. The top surface of a scoop
must not be more rigid than the original bonnet.
For vehicles manufactured prior to 1 July 1988, there are no specific design rule requirements
relating to bonnet scoops. However any such fixture that is a dangerous protrusion or obstructs
the driver’s forward view of the road, is prohibited by both the ADRs and AVSR. For vehicles
manufactured on or after 1 July 1988, ADR 42/... prohibits external or internal protrusions that
are not technically essential and are likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person.
Rigid engine-mounted components that are likely to increase injuries to a pedestrian in a
collision must not project through and above the vehicle’s original bonnet profile, unless
protected with a cover mounted to the bonnet.
Bonnet-mounted scoops must meet the following requirements:
 When a 165mm diameter sphere is placed on the bonnet in front of the scoop (or
bonnet projection) and rolled rearwards until it touches the scoop, no point of contact
between the sphere and the scoop must lie above a horizontal plane passing through
the centre of the sphere

[DT-P38]

Given all the clever dicks driving around with lights on the top rail of their bull bars I would reckon a skinny on a land rover bonnet would be viewed more as a standard accessory item than a protrusion/obstruction to forward vision. When I have driven with one on the bonnet of "the count" it has been less obstruction to forward vision than the bull bar actually was. And you know what, I just love the look too! It really shouts Landy to me.

In saying that, I would probably only leave one on there when I want to take 2 spares remote off-roading or long distance touring.

Oh yeah, the difficulty lifting the extra weight on the bonnet is only relevant for the vertically challenged and elderly amongst us. Its not excessive with a skinny steely on and I am no muscle bound hulk hogan.

[Tombie]

Given all the clever dicks driving around with lights on the top rail of their bull bars I would reckon a skinny on a land rover bonnet would be viewed more as a standard accessory item than a protrusion/obstruction to forward vision. When I have driven with one on the bonnet of "the count" it has been less obstruction to forward vision than the bull bar actually was. And you know what, I just love the look too! It really shouts Landy to me.

In saying that, I would probably only leave one on there when I want to take 2 spares remote off-roading or long distance touring.

Oh yeah, the difficulty lifting the extra weight on the bonnet is only relevant for the vertically challenged and elderly amongst us. Its not excessive with a skinny steely on and I am no muscle bound hulk hogan.

Also Illegal if it protrudes above the bonnet line ;)

Not by any investigator if you hit / maim / kill a pedestrian. :eek:

Like all laws, its only illegal until you get caught...

But in the case above, if it goes pear shaped (wheel kills a pedestrian, or wheel rips off bonnet in collision and hurts or kills someone) you are royally ****ed... (To quote Mrs Brown)

[Carslil Jim]

I have a R750x16 on the bonnet and yes it does impair vision slightly, but so would a lowering of the seat and that is not illegal. Pic attached.

Anyway mine is an 85 model so its legal.

I am vertically and aged challenged so to open the bonnet I have to stand inside the bull bar, and that gets it up so to speak.

Jim

[Tombie]

I have a R750x16 on the bonnet and yes it does impair vision slightly, but so would a lowering of the seat and that is not illegal. Pic attached.

Anyway mine is an 85 model so its legal.

I am vertically and aged challenged so to open the bonnet I have to stand inside the bull bar, and that gets it up so to speak.

Jim

Actually Jim,

Lowering the seat and/or mounts is illegal - unless they are tested for compliance and certified.

Without setting up the correct test would be hard to tell (you appear to have taken photo from dash not your eye level / position)

cheers

[DT-P38]

Also Illegal if it protrudes above the bonnet line ;)

Not by any investigator if you hit / maim / kill a pedestrian. :eek:

Like all laws, its only illegal until you get caught...

But in the case above, if it goes pear shaped (wheel kills a pedestrian, or wheel rips off bonnet in collision and hurts or kills someone) you are royally ****ed... (To quote Mrs Brown)

Pedestrian Vs Land Rover (wheel on bonnet or no wheel on bonnet) and they are royally ****ed... (To quote Mr Tombie!) the rest is semantics by over educated, under lifed, beuaracratic, tosser, bleeding heart, do gooders.

If in doubt, tyr and get a local engineer to approve one of the available mounts. It would be really cool to see a few more getting around with that traditional look!

[Carslil Jim]

Tombie,
You are right, the photo is not at eye level it is from just above the steering wheel. At eye level there is less intrusion to the drivers view by the wheel.

Re safety, I suspect a pedestrian heading toward the windscreen would rather the impact of a curved compressible tyre than a flat hard object, but I will leave that to the experts.

What I can tell you is I saw a quarter brick sized rock heading for the windscreen, which made a fantastic change of direction when it hit the tyre.

[Tombie]

Pedestrian Vs Land Rover (wheel on bonnet or no wheel on bonnet) and they are royally ****ed... (To quote Mr Tombie!) the rest is semantics by over educated, under lifed, beuaracratic, tosser, bleeding heart, do gooders.

If in doubt, tyr and get a local engineer to approve one of the available mounts. It would be really cool to see a few more getting around with that traditional look!

No doubt you are correct...

But these are the times we live in :(

[juddy]

Suppose they had no other place to fit the spare.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/248.jpg (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/juddyburton/media/Landybitz/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-22%20at%207.45.04%20pm_zps2yd9ksda.png.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/249.jpg (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/juddyburton/media/Landybitz/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-22%20at%207.45.27%20pm_zpsjxnxqyxs.png.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/250.jpg (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/juddyburton/media/Landybitz/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-22%20at%207.45.13%20pm_zps05hlgsaq.png.html)

[Mick_Marsh]

Love the A/C units mounted om the back door. Must get warm in there.

[Landybitz]

I suppose the normal place would have been on the roof, but I take it the up link dish is a tad heavy. Wonder how much stress the unit puts on the door compared to a spare wheel?

Would have thought they could have made a swing our rear air con unit.

[DiscoMick]

Think anything that restricts forward visibility, such as lightbars above the bullbar, is illegal unless it was legal when the vehicle was first registered- isn't that right?

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[MrLandy]

Whatever. It looks stupid as well as impairing vision.

[noyakfat]

Have a look at the first photo in Juddy's post, at the vehicle you can see from the right hand side. Imagine a driver sitting in that vehicle and draw a line from his/her head height forwards, and you will find that the drivers vision would be dangerously obscured by that bonnet-mounted spare.

I wouldn't even consider doing that.

[Chops]

There's a thread on here somewhere that shows one that Rijidij made for a 90 a couple of years ago. I have seen it and it looks quite good.
Legalities of it,,, who knows.

[fatcat]

Hi Guys,

Well i have had it fitted. i think it looks cool. The Guys from British off road made bracket for it.

i will put some pictures up just waiting for them to put the high lift jacket bracket on.

cheers

[fatcat]

oops mine is a td5, the bracket would still work.

[carlschmid2002]

www.aulro.com/afvb/90.../164582-spare-wheel-puma-bonnet.html

I reckon it looks cool. I won't get into the legal argument. I know Murray and his workmanship is first class.