123601228 RACQ 109

[Northern Lander]

I have started this thread on another forum but thought since this is an Australian Veh I should keep a thread here. I purchased the veh about 6 months ago and have so far removed the 2.25 diesel engine and will replace it with a petrol 2.25 for now until I can find a 2ltr engine to put it back to original. The diffs, gearbox and most of the body work are original, for some reason when the engine was changed a S2 front panel and radiator were used and a 86/107 bonnet used. The veh was found in Ayr Queensland at the garage that used it. I now have the proper front panel and bonnet fitted, just getting a radiator changed to work with a later engine. Hope people can help me out with suggestions and parts. Wardy

[Northern Lander]

Here are a couple more pics
Its a 1956 Vehicle

Wardy

[123rover50]

Coming along nicely Wardy, it all takes time. I know the feeling I post on two forums too. Those that look at both just have to wear it hey:):).
Keith

[Northern Lander]

Hi Keith,
Know what you mean but hey its better to have both countries seeing progress rather than one.
I have almost extracted the 2.25 engine from a S3 the 253rd made it 1972 so a real early one. Have also done the wiring in the dash so fingers crossed next weekend I can shoehorn in the new engine and maby get it going.
Also still on the lookout for a good 2nd hand bulkhead as the one in the vehicle is well and truly shot.

Wardy

[chazza]

Nice car Wardy; are you going to keep it as a tow-truck?

Cheers Charlie

[Northern Lander]

Thanks Charlie,
Im going to keep it as a tow truck but will have to fabricate a few of the missing bits and repair some, the 109 sat under a mango tree for about 10 years and has suffered a bit for it.
Im going to try to have it at the Brisbane all British Day next year.

Wardy

[Northern Lander]

This is the engine thats going into the landy
Fingers crossed it will get it moving :)
Holden carby will be replaced by a Solex

Wardy

[123rover50]

I have a couple of 2 1/4,s here for spares if you want bits. Dont know the year though.

[Northern Lander]

Thanks Keith I might just take up that offer :)
I am breaking a 60 model for the accelerator linkages since they are much the same as a Series 1's, Ill also put the S2 hand throttle in, but will keep the S1 items aside for later on.

Wardy

[ellard]

Hi there Wardy

I have seen a few of these restored within UK magazines - but nice to see there is one in Oz.

Looking forwards to the build progress

All the best

Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Hi Wayne,
This is really the only one I have seen so far but you never know.
Today managed to get the doner engine into the landy, had to seperate the gearbox which had stuck to the engine!! once apart found out why, the shaft had rust on it from going under in a flood, so the clutch is stuffed, had to clean lots of surface rust off but cleaned up ok for now.
Will try to get the engine to fire next weekend after reconditioning a zenith carby, so fingers crossed :D
Wardy

[Northern Lander]

Success :D after some messing around and trying to get the engine going as a + earth, finally tried - earth and it fired!! so now just a little fine tuning and finish connecting the fuel lines up and get a radiator for it.
But considering I was working in 31 degree heat and the tools got a little hot at times lol it was a good day :cool:
Only negative was when draining the oil I found about 1 litre of water in the sump :( fingers crossed

Wardy

[Northern Lander]

Happy New Year to All,
Due to a change with work I will now be moving down to Brisbane.
I have now transported the 109 down to a safer location in SE Queensland and started to have a good look over it.
Removed the front Indicators and wiped down the body a bit however since the paint is so degraded quite a bit came off :oops2:
Found on the right front of the tub the weight indicator, reads. T.1.7.1.14 and underneath L. 15cwt.
The bottom one I know however the top one is longer than what I have seen before? anyone know

Wardy

[Landy Smurf]

I know that some of the utes had the tare weight painted on the side

[wrinklearthur]

Here are a couple more pics
Its a 1956 Vehicle

Hi Wardy

Can you get us the engine number for that diesel please?
I think that's the rare 2 Litre diesel from a 1958 series one.
.

[Northern Lander]

Hi Arthur, the engine number is 156100658
Hope this helps

Wardy

[wrinklearthur]

[QUOTE=Northern Lander;1826528]Hi Arthur, the engine number is 156100658

Thanks Wardy

It is a rare as 2 Litre Diesel that was fitted around 1960 to a series 2, most likely a 109

The canister fuel filter was used up to 1960
Inlet manifold P/No 272376 was used on all 2 Ltr Diesels
The injectors look like they are out of the later 2.25 Diesel.

Are you selling hens teeth as well?
.

[Bigbjorn]

I know that some of the utes had the tare weight painted on the side

In queensland, certainly into the 1950's, commercial vehicles were required to have the owner's name, locality, capacities on the side of the vehicle. Like this-
G. Imgood
Ripoffvale
Tare 1t 3c 2q
Load 15 c.

[Northern Lander]

Hi Arthur the engine is sitting at the moment on a pallet at a mates place in Townsville, if you want it let me know.

Hi Brian, That sounds about right and the owner for this veh would have been the RACQ so makes sense.

Cheers

Wardy

[1950landy]

Hi Brendan, Didn't realise you had the RACQ L/R on here , been bisy watchins Keiths Royal & was looking up info for it & came across yours . I will hold you to having it at All british Day :tease: Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Hi Wayne,
It will be there one way or another :D
Will tow it across with the Game.
I have now started to pull the dodgy parts off and now looking for a used set of Pork Pie Stop Lights.......fingers crossed
Will post some pics soon, currently getting a house to live in :)

Wardy

[1950landy]

Hi Brendan , Will ask around Wayne

[wrinklearthur]

I have now started to pull the dodgy parts off and now looking for a used set of Pork Pie Stop Lights

The shape of these bodies has me curious, does anyone know of a decent set of photo's showing the original pork pie lights as fitted to 1955 - 1958 series one Land Rovers?

I seem to remember that the metal bodies was different to these shown here.

They are sold by;
ST38 rear lamp conversion (CA1249) - Rear - Lamps Head Spot Side Rear - Classic Car Parts | Complete Automobilist (http://www.completeautomobilist.com/products/ca1249-container-st38-rear-lamp-conversion)

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[1950landy]

The Series 1 shop has a good photo of a pork pie light they have for sale. Also if Kev Baker is back from holidays I will get an brake down of of the pork pie lights from him Wayne

[wrinklearthur]

I prefer to deal with a business that doesn't keep you waiting a couple of months until they deliver.

[Northern Lander]

Thanks for the pics Arthur, the inclusion of an indicator might be a good one and may be a good temp for the vehicle.
Thanks for looking Wayne :) Ill keep my fingers crossed.

Wardy

[russellrovers]

Thanks for the pics Arthur, the inclusion of an indicator might be a good one and may be a good temp for the vehicle.
Thanks for looking Wayne :) Ill keep my fingers crossed.

Wardy
hi i have a spare set nos pork pies just sent from uk regards jim

[Brad110]

These lights are just that. They are similar to generic lights used in the 40/ 50's but not even close to the lights fitted to the Landy. The genuine type taper the other way, larger end on body, tapering to glass.

They are a rip off as they are not close to the original and are sold at an inflated price due to the Very high price asked for the original.

You can purchase D lights for the same price as these are sold. Although they would not be true to what was fitted 55-58, blinkers were not fitted at this time (except optional indicator arms off the windscreen surround) It would be usual for any modification to include period stop/ tail/ blinkers which could include the type shown or D light copies which can be obtaind for the same price and at least resemble S1 tailights albeit for an earlier S1.

Someone should get some authentic replicas produced and sold for a reasonable price.

[wrinklearthur]

hi i have a spare set nos pork pies just sent from uk regards jim

Watch out Jim, I hope you have plenty.


These lights are just that. They are similar to generic lights used in the 40/ 50's but not even close to the lights fitted to the Landy. The genuine type taper the other way, larger end on body, tapering to glass. They are a rip off as they are not close to the original and are sold at an inflated price due to the Very high price asked for the original.

The problem is that the name 'Pork Pie' has been given to two entirely different shaped body styles, have a look at my previous posting, They were fitted to other makes of cars and I accept those non-Land rover lights do look like the shape of a pie cooked in a bowl !!!


You can purchase D lights for the same price as these are sold. Although they would not be true to what was fitted 55-58,

To fit 'D' lights the holes need to be redrilled and that is the problem as it spoils a restoration.
I would rather use the direct fit plastic after market L/R Pork Pies, than hack more holes into a body that has had hours of restoration spent on it.


blinkers were not fitted at this time (except optional indicator arms off the windscreen surround) It would be usual for any modification to include period stop/ tail/ blinkers which could include the type shown or D light copies which can be obtaind for the same price and at least resemble S1 tailights albeit for an earlier S1.

If the indicator after market lens and reflector, could be fitted into the L/R style light body that would be a better solution, would it not?


Someone should get some authentic replicas produced and sold for a reasonable price.

OK, who's going to approach a light manufacturer to get it done?

[Northern Lander]

I think since this renovation will take awhile I can play the waiting game, also the stop lights fitted were on the right a 2A Wipac light and on the left a dodgy Hella generic stop light.
Thanks all for the passionate debate about this issue :)
Also since Im buying a house it will make the amount of money I have to use a little scarcer :( but where there is a will there is a way :cool:

Wardy

[1950landy]

I'll see if k.b can get a photo of the ones in Melbourne. as i said kev only saw the boxes & didn,t see the actual lights . You have got plenty of time to find the correct lights Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Ok quick update, thanks to Wayne and Kev Baker I now have a nice set of tail lamps for the 109 :)
Also have moved to landy to my new place in Bris finally and last weekend used its recovery winch to move it up beside the house, that gave me a workout :p
Now the fun starts, have to source a sound bulkhead and get the rear of the chassis welded since the trip down from Townsville knocked most of the rust out of it ;)
Wardy

[incisor]

noice!

[mfc]

love to have a tow truck just slightly less than a fire engine

authur this is my spare pork pie w out base

[1950landy]

Ok quick update, thanks to Wayne and Kev Baker I now have a nice set of tail lamps for the 109 :)
Also have moved to landy to my new place in Bris finally and last weekend used its recovery winch to move it up beside the house, that gave me a workout :p
Now the fun starts, have to source a sound bulkhead and get the rear of the chassis welded since the trip down from Townsville knocked most of the rust out of it ;)
Wardy IS THE OTHER LANDROVER THE HAND BRAKE TO STOP IT RUNING INTO THE NABOURS HOUSE WAYNE:angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You'll have to get the uniform and learn how to point correctly! :D

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[Northern Lander]

LOL cheers guys :p
Yes Wayne it was my just in case backup plan incase the landy took off.
Also it was to be secured in its new spot to a nice ample tree (or so I thought :( oops) now secured to the fence and the tree has been cut up.
Diana I will have to learn to point and draw air through my teeth and say "Sorry mate looks like Ill have to tow it" :D even if it isnt broke.

Wonder if the RACQ have any examples of a uniform of the day????

Wardy

[1950landy]

You'll have to get the uniform and learn how to point correctly! :D

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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/88.jpgOne of those 3 Landy's is probley Rick's . he should be able to find out with a rego check & chassis no match . Wayne

[Northern Lander]

True Wayne,

Do we know if the RACQ kept any records of chassis numbers to Veh No?
Would like to know if they have any record of my 109

Wardy

[1950landy]

One of those 3 Landy's may be Rick's. He could do a rego check on the one with the Q plate & do a chassis no check. Wouldn't it be nice if Qld Transport would let you split the numbers like the Q plate on that one then the plates could be fitted where they should be instead of on the tail gate or sticking out past the side of the vehicle . WayneB)

[1950landy]

The guy to talk to at RACQ is Albert Budsworthy, he is in the All British Car Club, I 'll See what i can find out

[Northern Lander]

Wayne that would be great :)
Could you also ask him about 16661749 this is reputed to be an RACQ landy.
will still be a good 6 months till I can get a real good look at it, have attached a pic though. Its buried among quite a few 1960's cars. Also its chassis and body are the same colour (RACQ light cream/yellow)

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

True Wayne,

Do we know if the RACQ kept any records of chassis numbers to Veh No?
Would like to know if they have any record of my 109

WardyFrom what I understand, no they didn't but if 16661749 IS RACQ and my 16661747 also likely and so we would be looking for 16661748 as the third in a batch.

Looking at the numbers 39 through 43 it may be that a batch of 5 maybe 6 were sold to RACQ in fleet colours in the first half of 1951.

We do know that RACQ purchased 6 1949/1950 models with 3 delivered in December 1949 the subsequent early 1950. This is probably the 6 in this image.

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A couple more images:

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[russellrovers]

Wayne that would be great :)
Could you also ask him about 16661749 this is reputed to be an RACQ landy.
will still be a good 6 months till I can get a real good look at it, have attached a pic though. Its buried among quite a few 1960's cars. Also its chassis and body are the same colour (RACQ light cream/yellow)

Wardy
hi the other racq 1954 86 with orignal q plates is under restoration in portland victoria orignally worked in mackay qld

[incisor]

We do know that RACQ purchased 6 1949/1950 models with 3 delivered in December 1949 the subsequent early 1950. This is probably the 6 in this image.
do we have an inkling into what the chassis number were?

and if they came thru A&T or ?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Don't know if I can find the reference, but it was an RACQ board minute with the price and yes it was Annand & Thompson.

Some A&T CKD numbers:
R06101685 to R06101686 07/09/49 2 Prob arrived between 28/11/49 & 12/12/49 GM NSW books
R06101745 to R06101746 13/09/49 2 Prob arrived between 28/11/49 & 12/12/49 GM NSW books
R06101804 to R06101805 “ 2 Prob arrived ~28/11/49 GM NSW books
R06101864 to R06101866 " 3 Prob arrived ~28/11/49 GM NSW books
R06101886 to R06101887 " 2 Prob arrived ~28/11/49 GM NSW books
R06102547 to R06102558 " 12 Prob arrived before ~9/1/50 GM NSW books
R06103661 to R06103666 18/10/49 6 Prob arrived between 9/1/50&1/2/50 GM NSW books
R06103704 to R06103709 “ 6 Prob arrived between 9/1/50&1/2/50 GM NSW books
R06103778 to R06103783 “ 6 Prob arrived between 9/1/50&1/2/50 GM NSW books
R06103789 to R06103806 “ 18 Prob arrived between 9/1/50 & 1/2/50 GM NSW books
R06105406 to R06105417 " 12 Prob arrived between 13/2/50 & 13/3/50 GM NSW books
R06105676 to R06105687 " 12 Prob arrived between 13/2/50 & 13/3/50 GM NSW books
R06105700 to R06105711 " 12 Poss arrived ~5/3/50 GM NSW books
R06106179 to R06106190 " 12
R06106720 to R06106731 " 12
R06106748 to R06106753 " 6
R06107663 to R06107674 " 12
R06107837 to R06107848 “ 12
R06108107 to R06108112 “ 6
R06109631 to R06109642 21/3/50 12
R06109766 to R06109783 “ 18
-06110410 to -06110415 " 6
-06110483 to -06110494 “ 12
-06111077 to -06111088 " 12
-06112693 to -06112710 " 18
-06112801 to -06112807 “ 6
-06114162 to -06114173 " 12
-06114316 to -06114333 " 18
-06115245 to -06115274 " 30
-06115423 to -06115434 “ 12

Information compiled by Mike Combridge 2002

Have started adding date ranges guestimated by arrival dates of NSW Chassis numbers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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Wonder if the RACQ have any examples of a uniform of the day????

WardyThere are a number of images in the RACQ book "A Road Well Travelled" celebrating 100 years.

I find it interesting that the RACQ was against the fitting of front number plates because it was too much government interference on motorists. This is why you dont see number plates on the front of the 80" Landies only their fleet number and RACQ.

This was the same time that Brisbane drivers were not able to purchase petrol on Saturday afternoon or Sunday. They were also against mandatory front mudguards for similar reasons. That is the sort of freedom our boys fought for.

[Northern Lander]

Thanks for the info, I will have to get the book.
I have been told of another 1951 RACQ veh under restoration, within ten chassis numbers so it seems a few vehicles were purchased by them around those chassis numbers. Also another 1952 model in SE QLD
So there are a few around
Love the SII pic with only its tail lights so must be pre 60ish.

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Wardy, given that it seems that A&T were building the vehicles in RACQ fleet colours, it would be likely they would try to do them in batches rather than as individual vehicles.

It may also account for the notation in the Solihull dispatch books of colour none. LR053 (Alex) or AC260 (Mike) will have better info as they have had their Mk1 eyballs on the pages.

[Northern Lander]

Hi Wardy, given that it seems that A&T were building the vehicles in RACQ fleet colours, it would be likely they would try to do them in batches rather than as individual vehicles.

That would be very true seeing as the chassis was painted body colour also, so a big undertaking repainting in fleet colours.
Will be a great day when we can get as many RACQ land rovers together in the one spot :)

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

That would be very true seeing as the chassis was painted body colour also, so a big undertaking repainting in fleet colours.
Will be a great day when we can get as many RACQ land rovers together in the one spot :)

WardyMaybe you should specify a date for 123601228 plus see about 16661749 and an event and I'll try to get 16661747 ready and at the same place. All it needs is a spray paint and final re-assembly.

Have you got the paint code? Alan B sent a 1970s Holden equivalent. We should all use the same code.

[Northern Lander]

Sounds good to me,
I will have the 109 at the All British Day this year in Bris (thats the plan so far think its in Sept)
1749 for now is land locked in its shed :(
Do you have the paint code? would be good to have them all the same colour.

Wardy

[1950landy]

All British Day is in September & Rover Club SOE is in November & beleave they are also doing a weekend rove to Gympie to meet with Keith's lot in October. You missed a excelent night last night . Wayne

[1950landy]

Sounds good to me,
I will have the 109 at the All British Day this year in Bris (thats the plan so far think its in Sept)
1749 for now is land locked in its shed :(
Do you have the paint code? would be good to have them all the same colour.

Wardy
The RACQ were like Rover,s Deep Bronze Green the colour of there vehicles changed over the years. When Rick gets back i'll find out his paimt code for you also it's the very light creem the early RACQ vehicles were painted . Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Cheers Wayne,
Sept should be good, no work commitments yet for then, however that cant be said for last night :( sigh would have love to have gone but aparently their need was greater.
Thanks for getting the paint code.
Look forward to seeing Keith again, will try to take the Game up.

Wardy

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Have found my RACQ folder.

Albert gave me the paint code: Cameo Yellow Dulux 005-34069 which was also used by GMH in 1981.

The signwrting on the 80" were black lettering but unlike the Jeep there was also a grey shadow to make the letters appear 3D.

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Diana

[FenianEel]

Hey Wardy,

Good to meet you the other day.
Lov this project & the photos.

[Northern Lander]

Well finally have a cover for the 109, this should keep the crud from the trees above from filling it again.
I can now start to work on it again finally :)

Wardy

[1950landy]

Well finally have a cover for the 109, this should keep the crud from the trees above from filling it again.
I can now start to work on it again finally :)

Wardy
Is it cat 5 cyclone rated . :p Landy's a bit sick at the moment & haven not found a reason why as yet just lots of little things but none of them would make 1&2 cylinders to stop working then come good the next day . Not game to go too far at moment .:cool: May be she didn't want to go to Arthur's doo at peak hour .;) Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Cat 5 you say ummmmm weeeellllll maby a stiff breeze
Not good about the 50, could be the cooler weather and a dizzy cap?? one of those pain in the bum problems, at least yours runs, suppose mine could........down hill :p

Wardy

[1950landy]

May be not a stiff breeze either. Mine is not runing at the moment either hopefully Thursday afternoonafter i rebush the distributor & fit a carby gasket set. Wayne

[1950landy]

I sent some photo's to Albert Budworthy from RACQ & asked him some questions about the tow truck. He may be able to find out some more about it. Wayne:p

[Northern Lander]

Hi Wayne,
Ill keep my fingers crossed :)

Wardy

[1950landy]

Hi Brendan, Here is a photo of the tools in my tool roll. I have found for you a tommy bar . 3/16 x 1/4 W Snale brand spanner , spark plug spanner & some british plyers. I also have the metal jack handle for the jack i gave you. Are you still going to the Samford Show. If so just come along in the Game , It will be too much trouble to bring the tow truck. Wayne

[1950landy]

Hi Brendan , Kev Baker said he found a regulator to suit an enclosed L/R generator like you were talking to him about at the swap meet. Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Hi Wayne,
Thanks for the pics and the tools you have found :D it will greatly help me out.
Also can you thank Kev for finding the regulator for me.
Im still trying to chase the previous owners of the 109 for more information

Wardy

[1950landy]

I'll , be talking to Kev in nthe next couple of days about some parts for the Jag so I will ask for a price then . We 've got about 6 coming to the Show from the Slow's & about the same number from the Rover Club. I've decided to take the pump as well. The Slow's are going to camp over at the show grounds so should be a good weekend. Dam Work Ha. See you when I see you Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Thanks for that Wayne,
Ill see if Dad is up to driving the Game over, would be good to meet everyone.

Wardy

[1950landy]

I'll look after him on the day Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Slight update, still hunting parts before I start the stripdown.
Also if anyone wants to see the 109 I will have it at the All British Day at the end of Sept.

Wardy

[1950landy]

I found a couple of sets of those brackets today :D. One set are straight & clean. What other bits are you after , what do the cappings look like . Been working my way through the parts today. Wayne

[Northern Lander]

Thanks Wayne,
Ill take a pic of the cappings tomorrow to show you what they look like

Wardy

[Northern Lander]

Been way to long since I posted on this vehicle.
Finally tracked down a previous owners son who's dad owned it from the mid 60's till he passed away 10 years ago. Also recovered a towing dolly that came with the car originally, it is still missing the Y brackets for hooking the car on, and was told the original engine did exist until about 5 years ago when it was sent to scrap.....so close.
He remembers taking driving lessons in it back in the late 60's,
From what he remembers the RACQ in Townsville owned the vehicle from 1956 till about 64/65 when it was repainted from grey to RACQ cream and auctioned off through an auction house. the RACQ writing was not visible until the 70's when it started to appear.
In the mid 70's it received the 2ltr Series2 diesel engine and front.
By the 70's with changing car front end design it wasn't being used as regularly for recoveries and was only used to tow the owners race car to meets. It was still registered in 1998 and I was given the last rego documents which amazingly have the original engine number on and not the replacement one.
I then ended up under a mango tree where it was found by the person I purchased it off.
That's it for now, so still more research to go.

Wardy

[Northern Lander]

Was contacted by the RACQ the other day and they are looking into the history of the vehicle.
It looks like it was sent to Townsville and from there was possibly used out at Mt Isa.
They have also confirmed that the towing dolly was attached to the front when not in use and there may have been more than one tow vehicle made for smaller regional areas between Brisbane and Cairns.
Fingers crossed more history comes to light.

Wardy

[Northern Lander]

Also looks like the RACQ series one land rovers never had a spare wheel on the bonnet so Ill either have to look for a 109 bonnet less spare or remove one and patch it up.

Wardy