Bottle Jack or ???

[SVX37]

I am looking for the best and easiest solution for changing a tyre.

My question is simply, what size (lift height) Bottle Jack do I need for a Defender? Any particular brand anyone would recommend for relaibility?

I like the idea of a trolley Jack but they seem quite large to store in the Defender. Unless someone has a suggestion here as well???

I bought one at Supercheap and took it back because it wouldn't lift high enough :eek:

I don't like the standard Defender Jack and I am not a fan of a High Lift for changing a tyre.

Nigel

[steveG]

I use a hydraulic bottle jack I got from ebay. Had it for a couple of years so I don't recall the exact specs.
Basically you want something that has an extended height at least 50mm higher than from the ground to underneath of axle (so you can get a fully inflated tyre clear of the ground), and a minimum height thats less than the bottom of your rim (not tyre) to underside of axle (so you can still get it under the axle if you have a destroyed tyre or roll one off the bead).
If you're still running 255/85's then you'll need a taller jack than someone that's just running standard tyres.

D1 jacks might be an option as they seem to be reliable and quite light. They are 2-stage, but you'd want to confirm they have sufficient lifting range.

Steve

[modman]

I use a bottle jack of unknown origin (garage sale)
I also keep a sole plate of timber ( for the jack) construction ply about 300 x 300
Under the drivers seat as well
Its handy for all sorts of things!
If I was buying new I would get around the 2 tonne minimum
But as Steve said make sure it fits under the axle somewhere
When the tyre is dead flat
(Hard to dig a hole in the road;) )
Dc

[wannabeexplorer]

if you're carrying a high-lift anyway, why not take an axle stand for extra safety instead of another jack? (Just a suggestion; that'll take-up less room than a trolly jack)

[Mellow Yellow]

I looked into this some time ago before buying a new jack for Peril.

I think a "garage style" jack is impractical and researched two stage bottle jacks with at least two tonnes capacity and at least 180mm stroke (plus screw).

The jacks readily available in places like Supercheap and Repco don't have the required stroke.

I eventually found a range of South African made jacks on the internet and bought a Larzep AB30421 4 tonne two stage jack with a stroke of 190mm and a 65mm screw. Larzep Hydraulics > Hydraulic Bottle Jacks Technical Specifications (http://www.larzep.com.au/prod_specs/a_ab_ac.html)

The downside was that it wasn't cheap and I had to buy it through a hydraulics place out Liverpool way. The upside was that it's perfect for the Defender.

If I was to go about the exercise again I would go to the guys at Truckline as they stock a good range of jacks and generally are well priced in what they sell.

[rick130]

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D1 jacks might be an option as they seem to be reliable and quite light. They are 2-stage, but you'd want to confirm they have sufficient lifting range.

Steve

Is the D1 jack the same as a 130 jack ?

If so, I don't rate them at all.

FWIW I use an 8 tonne rated dual stage Armstrong bottle jack and it fits in the spot where the crappy OE bottle jack sat, albeit it's a lot taller.

It almost doesn't fit under the Sals axle tube with a dead flat tyre, but more than lifts high enough to change 255/85's and has more than enough grunt to lift a fully loaded 130.

[Michael2]

I use a bottle jack from a Range Rover Classic (same as Disco - the only difference between D1 and D2 is the shape of the base, so that it fits in the D2.) I like the yoke at the top that locates well ender the axle or the radius arms and doesn't slip when lifting.

I think Land Rover bean counters don't drive Land Rovers - why would anon put a wind up jack that lifts the body, on the car with the worlds longest suspension travel!!!? The body teeters at a ridiculous height with the standard jack.

[TimNZ]

I think Land Rover bean counters don't drive Land Rovers - why would anon put a wind up jack that lifts the body, on the car with the worlds longest suspension travel!!!? The body teeters at a ridiculous height with the standard jack.

I don't know if that's LRUK or LRAUST deciding on which jack is supplied. My '08 110 had the "hi-lift" type, the '10 has the 2 stage bottle type.

I believe the local dealer/LR AUST does what ever is cheapest, for example the '10 doesn't have a net pocket on the back door where the '08 did. Price difference is about $15 :(

Cheers,

[VladTepes]

Is the D1 jack the same as a 130 jack ?

If so, I don't rate them at all.

FWIW I use an 8 tonne rated dual stage Armstrong bottle jack and it fits in the spot where the crappy OE bottle jack sat, albeit it's a lot taller.

It almost doesn't fit under the Sals axle tube with a dead flat tyre, but more than lifts high enough to change 255/85's and has more than enough grunt to lift a fully loaded 130.

No the D1 jack is superior in every way and rebuildable - there's a project on it from blknight in the relevant forum somewhere.

I have a D1 bottle jack which I used without drama, and have a steel plate to put under it to avoid situations where the jack would sink into the ground... as everyone should have.

Do NOT use an airbag jack whatever the hell you do <-- learn from others' stupidity.

The Armstrong jacks are very good, but probably more expensive than a 2nd hand D1 jack !

[Reads90]

Personally I use a hi lift

Yeah dangerous in the hands of idiots but I find then good for changing tyres. But only for changing tyres. You need your head read if you get under the car while on the hi lift. And the defender adapter is a must.

But they are quick and easy and store really nicely under the rear seats in the Defender. So out if the way until you need it.

I use hi lift because if you are in the mud or difficult terrain a bottle jack just won't do it for you.

At home I use a trolley jack which can't be beat but far to big to take with you every where.

[harro]

I think Land Rover bean counters don't drive Land Rovers - why would anon put a wind up jack that lifts the body, on the car with the worlds longest suspension travel!!!? The body teeters at a ridiculous height with the standard jack.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree, haven't carried the factory body jack for years.
In fact I think they can be quite dangerous, certainly when using off-road.

I have a bottle jack from an earlier Defender with a 2 inch thick hardwood sole plate which is very handy in sand or any soft ground for that matter.

Cheers,
paul.

[the_preacher1973]

I looked into this some time ago before
The jacks readily available in places like Supercheap and Repco don't have the required stroke.

I eventually found a range of South African made jacks on the internet and bought a Larzep AB30421 4 tonne two stage jack with a stroke of 190mm and a 65mm screw. Larzep Hydraulics > Hydraulic Bottle Jacks Technical Specifications (http://www.larzep.com.au/prod_specs/a_ab_ac.html).

Not sure why you can't find anything suitable from Supercheap?

I bought this SCA Bottle Jack - Hydraulic, 4000KG - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/SCA-Bottle-Jack-Hydraulic-4000KG.aspx?pid=222697#Description) from there about 2 months ago. 4 tonne limit. 216mm stroke. I used it when I was fitting new BFG km2 255/85's without a problem in the world. Effort was less than using my 4 tonne trolley jack.

They also had these:

Masada Bottle Jack - Hydraulic, 7000kg - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Masada-Bottle-Jack-Hydraulic-7000kg.aspx?pid=135811#Description)

7 tonne limit, 190mm stroke but I considered it overkill for a light footed County V8.

[Mellow Yellow]

Not sure why you can't find anything suitable from Supercheap?


Because I wanted a more compact jack for (a) storage reasons and (b) to be able to change a dead flat tyre - hence a two stage jack.

[the_preacher1973]

Because I wanted a more compact jack for (a) storage reasons and (b) to be able to change a dead flat tyre - hence a two stage jack.

Sorry thought you said they didn't have the required stroke. Must have misread it.

Those are very nice specs for the jack you bought though. 140mm compressed is very nice and compact.

You've also got me worried about the compressed length of mine as I was swapping over tyres with air in them, not flats, so I better check that at 216mm I can get it under the car!

[Mellow Yellow]

Sorry thought you said they didn't have the required stroke. Must have misread it.


I was referring to two stage jacks only.

[rick130]

No the D1 jack is superior in every way and rebuildable - there's a project on it from blknight in the relevant forum somewhere.

I have a D1 bottle jack which I used without drama, and have a steel plate to put under it to avoid situations where the jack would sink into the ground... as everyone should have.

Do NOT use an airbag jack whatever the hell you do <-- learn from others' stupidity.

The Armstrong jacks are very good, but probably more expensive than a 2nd hand D1 jack !


:Rolling:

Surely you jest.

I know which one is more heavily made, lifts more and has survived far longer without needing a rebuild.

Let me put it this way, I had the Armstrong ten years before I bought the 130 and the 130 jack died not long after I bought the car.
Replaced the fluid, still cactus and it's not half the jack the big old Armstrong is.
It's long gone.

[greenhornet]

Hi
I bought a Toyota Landcruiser bottle jack.
Small but strong enough to easily lift the Defender.
Look on ebay for TOYOTA LANDCRUISER BOTTLE JACK SUIT LC 40,60,75,80.
Should pick one up for about $50?

[SVX37]

if you're carrying a high-lift anyway, why not take an axle stand for extra safety instead of another jack? (Just a suggestion; that'll take-up less room than a trolly jack)


I am not carrying a highlift and do not want one either.:angel:

[SVX37]

I looked into this some time ago before buying a new jack for Peril.

I think a "garage style" jack is impractical and researched two stage bottle jacks with at least two tonnes capacity and at least 180mm stroke (plus screw).

The jacks readily available in places like Supercheap and Repco don't have the required stroke.

I eventually found a range of South African made jacks on the internet and bought a Larzep AB30421 4 tonne two stage jack with a stroke of 190mm and a 65mm screw. Larzep Hydraulics > Hydraulic Bottle Jacks Technical Specifications (http://www.larzep.com.au/prod_specs/a_ab_ac.html)

The downside was that it wasn't cheap and I had to buy it through a hydraulics place out Liverpool way. The upside was that it's perfect for the Defender.

If I was to go about the exercise again I would go to the guys at Truckline as they stock a good range of jacks and generally are well priced in what they sell.

I just received a quote from a local supplier. The Larzep looks nice and compact but at $355.84 + GST you would be wanting to get a lot of flats to use it! I'll keep looking. Thanks anyway and all replies will help me.

[SVX37]

Hi
I bought a Toyota Landcruiser bottle jack.
Small but strong enough to easily lift the Defender.
Look on ebay for TOYOTA LANDCRUISER BOTTLE JACK SUIT LC 40,60,75,80.
Should pick one up for about $50?


Thanks for your idea but nothing on ebay came up...

[greenhornet]

Thanks for your idea but nothing on ebay came up...

Nothing at the moment, but hey come up regularly as they are sought after. I suggest setting up a search with an alert....or wreckers.
Cheers

[Greyfox]

Not sure why you can't find anything suitable from Supercheap?

I bought this SCA Bottle Jack - Hydraulic, 4000KG - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/SCA-Bottle-Jack-Hydraulic-4000KG.aspx?pid=222697#Description) from there about 2 months ago. 4 tonne limit. 216mm stroke. I used it when I was fitting new BFG km2 255/85's without a problem in the world. Effort was less than using my 4 tonne trolley jack.

They also had these:

Masada Bottle Jack - Hydraulic, 7000kg - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Masada-Bottle-Jack-Hydraulic-7000kg.aspx?pid=135811#Description)

7 tonne limit, 190mm stroke but I considered it overkill for a light footed County V8.

I just bought a SCA jack from Supercheap as described for $39.99 Thanks for the info I was looking to replace the standard Defender jack:)

[DunRovin]

Hi all, have been following the thread, what is the minimum and maximum ( ie minimum height required to get a new fully inflated tyre under the jack ) jack required for a landrover 110 perentie. Jacks size on most threads is given as fully retracted ( minimum height ) and fully extended ( maximum height) but this is only useful if you know what is required. ? Cheers