Are these winches any good? [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

Sharkee

18th December 2012, 05:21 PM

sheerluck

18th December 2012, 06:38 PM

Sharkee

18th December 2012, 08:52 PM

Thanks Dave thats what I was thinking. Might look at them after chrissy.

Cheers mate
Steve

Tank

18th December 2012, 09:39 PM

Couple of things that I noticed, 1. there is no thimble in the hook eye of the cable which will lead to premature wear and 2. the Safe Working Load (SWL or Working Load Limit (WLL) is around 1100kgs. If it is good quality wire, the 5 and a half thousand kgs advertised is the Guaranteed Breaking Strain (GBS) of the wire and they are stretching it at that. 9.5mm wire is for toys, at least 11mm for heavy duty use, as in winching a bogged 2 tonne LR. Remember a winch is no stronger than the SWL/WLL of the wire cable on the drum, 256:1 ratio is good but cable looks like crap, Regards Frank.

THE BOOGER

18th December 2012, 10:20 PM

I have a trex which look identical mine is the 17000kg version I replaced the control box with a tigerz11 with the thompson soleniod and its done plenty of work no problems yet mine has the dyneema rope:)

Sharkee

20th December 2012, 08:30 PM

Thanks Guys yeah if you reckon the cable is too light then maybe not worth getting as I dont want to replace on top of cost of it.

Cheers
Steve

Tank

21st December 2012, 07:31 AM

The cost of a decent wire rope or even Dyneema shouldn't be a huge cost, seeing as the winch itself is so cheap. Find a rigging supplies shop and they will make a decent 11mm IWRC winch cable, or see if you can get a Tirfor cable, can usually buy one already made up. If you get one made, let them know it is for a winch, winch cable (in this instance) has 7 strands, instead of the usual 6, Regards Frank.

Tank

21st December 2012, 07:04 PM

There are some good points as well the 256:1 gear ratio and the 6 H.P. motor is good, for the price of a decent cable you could have a good winch, Regards Frank.

sheerluck

21st December 2012, 07:31 PM

Frank's the man when it comes to knowing rigging.

If you do get one, replace the cable with something stronger (I had a quote the other day for 30m of Dyneema with all fittings for my winch for $125) and repack the grease (tutorial here: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/105107-aldi-winch-replacing-grease.html) you should be ahead still.

Do a search on here for Aldi winches, and you'll find mostly positive reviews of them.

wally~e28

22nd December 2012, 12:58 PM

(nb. Thanks from a winch beginner like myself, for the positive comments from all contributors on this thread re: rope/cable sizing/replacement/grease cables etc.)

I note that on the sellers store there is a dyneema rope version for a buy-now price of $80 more than the 9.5 cable version. The rope versions starting reserve price is $50 more on the auction/bid version.

cheers :)

Sharkee

24th December 2012, 09:24 PM

Thanks to all for info. I will look into it in the new year with the rope option providing its still on there.
Cheers
Steve

nat p

7th January 2013, 08:17 PM

Did you end up getting it? Any good????

1976_michelle

8th January 2013, 10:25 AM

i could haul granite pieces on to a trailer using something like this and still come out of it cheaper than paying for pieces or hiring ute equipped with mini crane thing, even if the cable wouldnt be much chop by the time i was done with it for th epurposes of actual vehicle recovery

Sharkee

16th January 2013, 06:36 PM

No somebody bought it and they have'nt relisted another yet. I keep watching for it though.

THE BOOGER

17th January 2013, 04:45 AM

click on sellers other items they have more listed

or you could look at one of these I have one on my s111 only changed the control box for a better one 500 amps, the ones that come with them have what appeares to be 2 100 amp soleniods.

12V 17000lbs Electric Winch ATV 4WD Boat Wireless Truck | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-17000lbs-Electric-Winch-ATV-4WD-Boat-Wireless-Truck-/130834994462?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e765f951e)

you probably dont need the 17000lbs one i went for overkill:D

Sharkee

17th January 2013, 03:44 PM

Thanks Booger never thought of looking at other items :no2:, must of had one of those moments I think mate. I like the one on your link but not sure would fit in my winch cradle though. What size battery would you need to run that mate?

Steve

THE BOOGER

17th January 2013, 04:52 PM

More over kill 880cca starter and 2 x 100 amp/hr deep cyles in the back they also run my fridge and inverter:D

It is a bit big for most winch bars butwith 315:1 ratio it is slow but doesnt stop

Sharkee

18th January 2013, 08:58 PM

Not overkill mate can never have too much power I reckon

oztrax

9th October 2013, 12:33 AM

I have a 12k trex style ningbo manufactured winch

after pulling apart for grease and realign,
i observed these winches are quite simple construction.

so what does the xtra $1500 for a warn offer ?
same hp,apparently same motor, same gear ratio,
better solid state solenoid on warn (maybe $100 to $200 more)

cable crappy but synthetic can be bought or $100 or so...

mind you if this was usa the $ difference would be more like $200.......

so tuff call here but is there any factual evidence expensive winches are better ?
or just emotion and bias .......

OZ:oops2::oops2::oops2::firedevil::firedevil:

THE BOOGER

9th October 2013, 07:55 AM

The big thing is quality control and warranty other wise probably not that much difference our Trex winches have been good value 1 warranty claim which they honoured but did take 3 months to ship parts from OS:)

Didge

9th October 2013, 09:05 PM

My supercheap winch has been used in anger a number of times and never missed a beat. Even the expensive Warns will leak when submerged, so unless you've got a couple of grand to spend on one of those for the very odd occasion you might use it, why not go for a cheap one and just maintain and check it works periodically?

Leroy_Riding

10th October 2013, 11:20 AM

As Didge above said, Ive had two Ridge Ryders from Super cheap, the 9000lb with cable and a 12000lb with rope not once have I had any issues.
my tigerz11 9500lb 2 speed motor self destructed, my mates Warn XD9000 was gutless (assume worn brushes?) and the warn solenoids crap. ridge ryder never failed me once.

ive now taken the motor and drum from my 12000lb ridge ryder and mated it to my Tigerz11 2 speed box, thing pulls a heavy load in 'low speed' with no signs of struggle (talking a bogged troopy that a 9000lb couldn't budge) and a light load (loss of traction not really stuck) in 'high' speed like lightning fast. . best of both worlds in my opinion. I don't know why there aren't more 2 speed winches around.

(i believe ridge ryder as the same build as the Aldi winch which is the same as 90% of those ebay ones)

Leroy

Kevin B

10th October 2013, 01:06 PM

Hi I know you get what you pay for but I'm curious, has anyone bought/used one of these? are they any good?

â˜…12V 12000lbs/5443kgsâ˜… Wireless Electric Winch 4WD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-12000lbs-5443kgs-Wireless-Electric-Winch-4WD-/251199588582?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a7ca988e6)

I have one of these I-Max Winches, 12,00lb with Dyneema Rope, i have not mounted it as yet, its Still under the bed in a Box (yes i know No good there) it was bought for me as a present, i have opened the box uop and had a good look and it appears very well constucted, it stacks up against German Supermarket and the Large Wild Cat Brand Visually, havn't pulled it appart yet but i will, info on these on the net is very limited, however when i recived it there was a number on the sticker which i googled and came up with this

Ningbo Chima winch co.,ltd. (http://www.chimawinch.com/products_info.php?id=133)

i believe this is the 12,000Lb I-Max winch, as its almost identical to mine and this company is one of the many chinese winch companies that sullpy all over the world thay just get branded when they hit the retailer.

only time is going to tell whether its anygood or not at this stage im not going to put 100% faith in it till ive fitted it and given it a good workout then pulled it appart for a look

hope this helps

Kevin

Didge

10th October 2013, 10:50 PM

Other threads on here have suggested (and I haven't read all the comments in this thread so someone may have already suggested this) that you remove the cheap grease and replace with good quality stuff and then keep an eye on it. If you think its gonna struggle, use a snatch block; only takes a minute or two longer - big deal - gives people time to get their cameras together :)

oztrax

15th October 2013, 02:13 PM

my chinese 12000 LB fitted but not used in anger yet.
My research shows it is a very close copy of the Warn XD 9000,
down to HP (4.6) and gear ratio (200:1). Brake is different , its a 2 way brake not a friction auto like the warn.

The chinese version has a 9.5 mm cable, but looking at HP and ratios the same i think its labeled for the max pull rather than the nominal pull of the WArn.
i ALSO REGREASED MINE,very little grease in planeteray gears, gearbox can be swivelled easily to fit bullbars.
The XD Warn is a great winch to copy as it is completley waterproof.
I've attached a winch comparison test for you guys to peruse.
Few surprises here particularly temps of motor, and the smaller 8000 warn was down low on the list, and overheated severely.

So make your own conclusions, remember a 8000 LB Warn is only $600
in the USA, the extra $1200 is just import charges, check on ebay thats why a Warn has a $1200 freight charge to Australia !!!!!

regards
OZ

Didge

15th October 2013, 06:56 PM

Yeah, isn't our govt a wonderful bunch of people. Tax the hell out of us, then send some of that money overseas to people who want to bomb us! Sorry - rant off track :(
I wonder what the import charges are on the cheap chinese jobs :)
Mind you, I have an inherent dislike that those Chinese b$%^&*ds are ripping off other people's designs and making a profit from them. It's ok if they do the design themselves and then sell them cheaper but just imagine yourself if it was you losing sales cos they were selling what is essentially your product, cheaper than you could

VladTepes

16th October 2013, 07:21 PM

What would people recommend for genera / utility use (and recovery obviously) - wire rope or dyneema ?

Didge

16th October 2013, 09:02 PM

Personal choice - I've read numerous threads here with opinions for and against both, being steel kinks, is heavy, breaks and cuts your fingers and dyneema is easy to abrade against rocks, not uv stable, melts on the drum if it gets too hot, can get caught up and bound on itself if not wound no the drum properly (as does steel), etc. I'm keeping the original steel on my winch until its damaged to the point where it needs replacing. I have 45m of dyneema I keep as a winch extension strap - light and easy to store.

Disco Muppet

16th October 2013, 09:33 PM

What would people recommend for genera / utility use (and recovery obviously) - wire rope or dyneema ?

Depends.
I hardly ever use my winch, and for that the steel is good.
Dyneema is much more prone to damage from rocks, etc as well as UV degrading, but if I was doing semi-regular winch work I'd take dyneema over steel any day of the week. Safer, much more user friendly, etc.
Depends what you want to do of course.

Didge

16th October 2013, 09:45 PM

I knew I forgot something - yeah safety! Thanks DM :)

THE BOOGER

17th October 2013, 10:08 AM

Most people who have had a steel rope then used synthetic don't go back, I have 4 winches here 3 dyneema and 1 steel cable the steel one is sitting under the awning not being used:)

VladTepes

17th October 2013, 10:17 AM

Kevin B

17th October 2013, 01:51 PM

Most people who have had a steel rope then used synthetic don't go back, I have 4 winches here 3 dyneema and 1 steel cable the steel one is sitting under the awning not being used:)

Well if you need someone to come and move that big heavy lump of a thing and put it to use, let me know :D

THE BOOGER

17th October 2013, 07:19 PM

Its spoken for at he moment:(

Kevin B

17th October 2013, 07:44 PM

:Thump:

Ovadahill

19th October 2013, 10:57 AM

I thought that only specific winch types could use dyneema, with some types overheating (from the brake) melting or at least compromising the integrity of dyneema rope?

Is there any significant difference between the Aldi and Super cheap winches (as seem to be suggested as perffectly OK in this thread) ? Cost ? Warranty ?
Obviously Aldi only sell theirs from 'time to time' - is that the case with super cheap also ?

Aldi are pretty good on the "if it fails take it back for a refund" thing. Is Super cheap as good?

Anyone have any idea when Aldi might next be doing their 4WD sale (winches) ?

I have recently bought the super cheap winch not fitted it yet though. It comes with 12 month warranty and I have found s c to be reasonable on warranty claims before. I have purchased other recovery gear from them as well and used it and it performs just as well as more popular brands so going with reviews on their winch is why I decided to purchase it. If you keep an eye out they quite often advertise them at half price :D

Bush65

19th October 2013, 02:47 PM

For those who don't understand the issue with heat damage of synthetic winch rope, it is an avoidable occurrence in most cases.

It occurs with some, but not all, low mount winches, those that have the brake inside the rope drum, e.g. Warn.

With these if the drum is powered to strip off slack rope, the drum rotates against the brake, and the brake friction creates the heat.

This is avoided, when the drum is disengaged from the drive, i.e. shift the lever into the free spool position, and the rope pulled out manually.

steane

19th October 2013, 03:48 PM

Super cheap winch is same as one of the tigerz11, either the hercules or the grsnde. Control boxes are probably different though. I've visited the factory that makes them in ningbo. Not a bad winch but there are better being made in the same region, also a lot worse.

Amp draw vs line speed is worth checking. Contactor is better than solenoids as well IMO.

blindin

19th October 2013, 10:02 PM

Hi Guys, just jumping in here with something different.
I have just purchased a 11000lbs winch, its made by runva.
I don't know much about winches, or the brands.
While I was looking, the chinesse brands all appeared to be the same, regardless of the names, and depending where you bought it, it would be very limited warranty. ORS winch, was one company I came across which gave a 3 year warranty. The prices all similar, the better the warranty, the more you paid. Dyeenema rope seemed to be approx $100 more than cable.
I came across the runva winches, I paid $650 for 11000lb, it is smaller, bigger motor, more amp load the downside.
While comparing with very limited knowledge, this seemed to be quite a good deal, and when you start looking at the warranty, it looks even better.
Looking into the dyeneema rope, it is supposed to be a lot safer, limited whip if it was to break, and for me, the maintenence, well lack of it required.
I have mounted my winch on a cradle, and it fits into the tow bar, also my recovery point at the front is a modified towbar, hidden behind the number plate, so front and rear winch for the price of one.
So for, I tested it by pulling my self up the drive way, about 20 meters, which is pretty steep, and for real today while stuck in sand, pretty well stuck too.
right now, very happy with it, well worth a look if you are considering one.

redrovertdi

19th October 2013, 10:49 PM

Just my 2c, a mate received a super cheap winch for fathers day 2 years ago, on its first outing it pulled me through sticky mud in glasshouse with out drama[he wanted to test his new winch], later that day he[110] was stuck in a swampy hole and the winch went bang underload and that was it, motor working fine but gears broken, he was then pulled out with my 2nd hand $500 warn xd9000, the supercheap winch was returned for a full refund and a 2nd hand warn is now in its place. Befor everybody bashs me having a warn i will admit it has left me stranded twice-both times caused by earthing issues to the chassis which i am yet to properly fix with an earth lead to the battery[110 seat box], i will also add that i run a $57 single chinese solinoid mounted behind the top of my grill operated with a $13 wireless remote, this works extremely well for me[it does get used alot]