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[Jonesy1972]

Hi all,

I am new to this so please excuse any mistakes.

I recently purchased a 1950 Series 1 80" from Cliff (thanks Cliff) and I have been doing the usual tracing of chassis, gearbox, engine and axle numbers. Through my research I have discovered the chassis (06109135), gearbox (06109362) and rear axle (06114951) are from 1950 but I am confused with the engine. The engine appears from first looks to be the 1600 because the rocker cover doesn't have the breather but the engine number (111808209) says it is a 1958 2lt.

Does anyone know if the 1600 rocker cover and head will fit on the 2lt block?

Thanks Jonesy1972

[JayBoRover]

G'day Jonesy,
I also have a 1950 S1 (mine with a '49 sideplate engine though). Coincidentally I also have a brother living in Stoneville. I'll have to call around next time I'm over your way visiting and have a look at what you've got.

According to the Faulls Motors records, your 06109135 was originally despatched with engine 06109359 on "29/5/50 to Thopson Bros. Carnarvon?"

Off-hand I can't help you much with the question regarding the early rocker cover and later engine, but there are several other ways to pick an engine. There are differences in the sumps, rocker covers (obviously you are aware of this one) and a few other giveaways.

I'm sure a few experts will be along shortly. Make yourself known in the WA section too, as we're always looking out for each other. Welcome along.
Cheers
John B

[Jonesy1972]

Hi John B,

Thanks for the quick reply. You are more than welcome to come around and have a look. Besides the 80" I also have two 1958 series 1 109", one is completely original and only had one owner and the other is complete but has a holden red motor.

Thanks for finding out the details for the 80". How do you find out who the vehicles were sold to and when? Do you have the Faulls Motor records or is there a website to check? I would like to find the details for the other 2 series 1's and the spare chassis I have.

Can you also find out details with only the engine number? I also have a 2lt engine which I found at the Newman tip.

My Dad collected the series 1, 109" and passed them onto me to restore but I have held out for an 80". Now I have one it is time to start, so if anyone has any advice or tips don't be shy.

Regards Jonesy

[Cliffy]

Andy, you 80" fiend, when will you chime in!!!!

Jonesy, cheers for bring the trailer back and I will be pulling all the crap I got out of the 86" and will put your diff and any other bits I find aside.

[Jonesy1972]

Hi Cliff,
Let me know he best day and time after new year to pick up the diff. You might want to check out Gumtree Ad ID 1011363483. The bloke is wanting photos and info on long range Patrol army landies.
Regards Jonesy

[andy_d110]

Hi John B,

Thanks for the quick reply. You are more than welcome to come around and have a look. Besides the 80" I also have two 1958 series 1 109", one is completely original and only had one owner and the other is complete but has a holden red motor.

Thanks for finding out the details for the 80". How do you find out who the vehicles were sold to and when? Do you have the Faulls Motor records or is there a website to check? I would like to find the details for the other 2 series 1's and the spare chassis I have.

Can you also find out details with only the engine number? I also have a 2lt engine which I found at the Newman tip.

My Dad collected the series 1, 109" and passed them onto me to restore but I have held out for an 80". Now I have one it is time to start, so if anyone has any advice or tips don't be shy.

Regards Jonesy

Hi Jonesy, welcome to the world of Little Landys. Sounds like you have a good project there.

If you haven't already you should check out the Land Rover Series one club site. www.lrsoc.com (http://www.lrsoc.com)

Here is a Link to a summary of the differences between 1600 sideplate & 1600 coreplug blocks, also 2 litre siamese & spreadbore blocks. Its by a chap called Bulletproof who frequents the forum.

Login (http://www.lrsoc.com/forum/index.php'topic=13660.msg102980#msg102980)

There are also links to Faulls sales records but they only cover the early vehicles.

Happy Rovering,

Andy.

[Cliffy]

Yeah.
He's a mate. You've spoken to him *wink*
Up at 6 tomo to get into those Landies before the heat!

[JDNSW]

I am pretty certain that the cylinder spacing is the same overall on the two litre and 1600 engines, so I can see no reason why the rocker covers should not be interchangeable.

John

[123rover50]

Hi all,

I am new to this so please excuse any mistakes.

I recently purchased a 1950 Series 1 80" from Cliff (thanks Cliff) and I have been doing the usual tracing of chassis, gearbox, engine and axle numbers. Through my research I have discovered the chassis (06109135), gearbox (06109362) and rear axle (06114951) are from 1950 but I am confused with the engine. The engine appears from first looks to be the 1600 because the rocker cover doesn't have the breather but the engine number (111808209) says it is a 1958 2lt.

Does anyone know if the 1600 rocker cover and head will fit on the 2lt block?


Thanks Jonesy1972

There are minor differences but the rocker cover and head are interchangable between the 1600 and 2 litre.

Keith

[Jonesy1972]

Yeah.
He's a mate. You've spoken to him *wink*
Up at 6 tomo to get into those Landies before the heat!

Hi Cliff,

I would love to get into the Landy but I have the same problem you have, I need to clear some space first.

Regards Jonesy

[Cliffy]

Just did that.
Green 86" gone to a new home.
Cleaned all the leaves outa tha chassis/body 86" .
No finds, just doors and an oil bath a/f (not sure it's Landy at the mo).
Tomorrow if I get time after work I'll strip I'd down more!

[Jonesy1972]

G'day Jonesy,
I also have a 1950 S1 (mine with a '49 sideplate engine though). Coincidentally I also have a brother living in Stoneville. I'll have to call around next time I'm over your way visiting and have a look at what you've got.

According to the Faulls Motors records, your 06109135 was originally despatched with engine 06109359 on "29/5/50 to Thopson Bros. Carnarvon?"

Off-hand I can't help you much with the question regarding the early rocker cover and later engine, but there are several other ways to pick an engine. There are differences in the sumps, rocker covers (obviously you are aware of this one) and a few other giveaways.

I'm sure a few experts will be along shortly. Make yourself known in the WA section too, as we're always looking out for each other. Welcome along.
Cheers
John B

Hi John,

I am trying to chase down any info on the Thopson Bros. Carnarvon. Can you please recheck if it is Thopson OR Thompson. I can find the Thompson Bros from Yardie Creek Pastoral Co. Carnarvon.

Regards
Jonesy1972

[andy_d110]

Hi John,

I am trying to chase down any info on the Thopson Bros. Carnarvon. Can you please recheck if it is Thopson OR Thompson. I can find the Thompson Bros from Yardie Creek Pastoral Co. Carnarvon.

Regards
Jonesy1972


1950 MY Vehicles sold in Carnarvon Area, 15 in total;

06100977 – Dempster & Sons 02/11/49

06101411 – Biddalya Past Co 28/11/49

06102330 – Ulawarra Past Co 14/12/49

06103031 – Mc Donald 22/12/49

06103035 – Tamala Past Co 21/12/49

06103534 – Minnie Creek 15/02/50

06103535 – Linden Past Co 14/02/50

06104301 – Gooch & Gooch 17/02/50

06108383 – L. FB?????? 18/05/50

06109135– Thompson Bros. 29/05/50

06109137 – Williambury Ltd 30/05/50

06113321 – G.W. Hutton 19/09/50

06114301– Thompson Bros. 08/11/50

06115059 – Mardathana Past Co 07/11/50

06115218 – Elliot Creek 16/11/50

These are the only two entries on the 48/49/50/51 Records that List the Thompson Bros. They were more than likely a grazing or pastoral company. I am still trying to cross reference the sales records to find early distributors outside of Faulls.

Andy.

[123rover50]

May I do a little hijack here?
Can anyone access Faulls records?
47160049 was shipped there on 22/10/53 and I wanted to see what happened to it from there.

Keith

[Jonesy1972]

1950 MY Vehicles sold in Carnarvon Area, 15 in total;

06100977 – Dempster & Sons 02/11/49

06101411 – Biddalya Past Co 28/11/49

06102330 – Ulawarra Past Co 14/12/49

06103031 – Mc Donald 22/12/49

06103035 – Tamala Past Co 21/12/49

06103534 – Minnie Creek 15/02/50

06103535 – Linden Past Co 14/02/50

06104301 – Gooch & Gooch 17/02/50

06108383 – L. FB?????? 18/05/50

06109135– Thompson Bros. 29/05/50

06109137 – Williambury Ltd 30/05/50

06113321 – G.W. Hutton 19/09/50

06114301– Thompson Bros. 08/11/50

06115059 – Mardathana Past Co 07/11/50

06115218 – Elliot Creek 16/11/50

These are the only two entries on the 48/49/50/51 Records that List the Thompson Bros. They were more than likely a grazing or pastoral company. I am still trying to cross reference the sales records to find early distributors outside of Faulls.

Andy.

Thanks Andy. I found an article (1944) from the state library on wool appraisals which mentioned the Thompson Bros from Carnarvon. I thought ther were from Yardie Creek Station but I read it wrong. I will give the shire or historical society a call to find more details.

Regards
Jonesy

[Jonesy1972]

Spent a couple of hours on the phone chasing the history of the Carnarvon Series 1's. Spoke to an 85 year old bloke, Bruce Teede, who used to be part owner of Ellis and Teede Engineering in Carnarvon and a roo shooter. He knows a lot about who owns which station and who bought which Landy (by the way he is not a Landy fan even though he has a soft spot for them and owned a few). I ran through the list of S1's sold to the carnarvon area (thanks Andy) and he knew of all but 2. Bruce has some photos of his S1 and is going to email them to me.

The history of 06109135 so far, it was dispatched to the Thompson Bros who owned Moogooree Station which was joined to Merlinleigh Station. The Thompson bros also bought Woodleigh Station. Moogooree Station was later managed by Ted Waters (or Walters).
The owner of Williambury Station bought Moogooree And Merlinleigh Station. The original owner of Williambury Station was Dick Mead and is now run by John Percy. I tried to phone John but it rang out.

As you can imagine, talking to an 85 year old about the past was about disjointed but he kept lots of information coming, so below are points and details made;
1) vehicle 06102330 sold to Ulawarra Past Co. on the 14/12/49 burnt to the ground on Minnie Station due to a build up of spinifex on the car. Bruce was there and watched it burn.
2) Bruce believes there is a 101 on the Williambury Station tip. (I will chase this up when I contact John Percy)
3) Bruce knows a Faulls mechanic, Jim Davies, who now works for "All Wheel Drive" in Jolimont. He said, "what Jim doesn't know about Landrovers is not worth knowing". If you run into Jim, say Hi from Bruce Teede.
4) Landor Station ordered 12 series 1's but requested they have the Series 2 engine or the 6 cylinder engines.
5) The Thompson Bros also bought another 80" in 1950 but they changed the engine to a 3 cylinder Perkins diesel. Bruce actual went to have a look to buy this vehicle from them but was turned away by the slow revving diesel and the low ratio gearbox. He said it was great for checking windmills on bumpy roads but too slow to drive on the road.

If anyone else has a S1 from the Gascoyne area and is chasing the history, message me and I will give you Bruce's number.

I'll keep you informed.

Regards
Jonesy

[andy_d110]

Spent a couple of hours on the phone chasing the history of the Carnarvon Series 1's. Spoke to an 85 year old bloke, Bruce Teede, who used to be part owner of Ellis and Teede Engineering in Carnarvon and a roo shooter. He knows a lot about who owns which station and who bought which Landy (by the way he is not a Landy fan even though he has a soft spot for them and owned a few). I ran through the list of S1's sold to the carnarvon area (thanks Andy) and he knew of all but 2. Bruce has some photos of his S1 and is going to email them to me.

The history of 06109135 so far, it was dispatched to the Thompson Bros who owned Moogooree Station which was joined to Merlinleigh Station. The Thompson bros also bought Woodleigh Station. Moogooree Station was later managed by Ted Waters (or Walters).
The owner of Williambury Station bought Moogooree And Merlinleigh Station. The original owner of Williambury Station was Dick Mead and is now run by John Percy. I tried to phone John but it rang out.

As you can imagine, talking to an 85 year old about the past was about disjointed but he kept lots of information coming, so below are points and details made;
1) vehicle 06102330 sold to Ulawarra Past Co. on the 14/12/49 burnt to the ground on Minnie Station due to a build up of spinifex on the car. Bruce was there and watched it burn.
2) Bruce believes there is a 101 on the Williambury Station tip. (I will chase this up when I contact John Percy)
3) Bruce knows a Faulls mechanic, Jim Davies, who now works for "All Wheel Drive" in Jolimont. He said, "what Jim doesn't know about Landrovers is not worth knowing". If you run into Jim, say Hi from Bruce Teede.
4) Landor Station ordered 12 series 1's but requested they have the Series 2 engine or the 6 cylinder engines.

If anyone else has a S1 from the Gascoyne area and is chasing the history, message me and I will give you Bruce's number.

I'll keep you informed.

Regards
Jonesy

Great work,

I have been trying to get to the station where my 48 was found but the new station owner is a bit strange... I even got a signed letter from Land Rover Australia asking for his help to find missing parts on his station but he doesn't want a bar of it.

Good luck with your search!

[jas171]

In response to your post Jonesy1972 re the batch of Carnarvon Series 1s that were owned by Moorgoorie and Merlinleigh Stations - my grandfather happened to be the Ted Waters you mentioned. He lived on and ran both of those stations in the the 1950s and 60s. From the photos I have and the stories told, they had a pretty rough existence. I believe one of these ended up in Bridgetown - will have to confirm.

[russellrovers]

There are minor differences but the rocker cover and head are interchangable between the 1600 and 2 litre.

Keithhi kieth i have 3 1950 moters close to your numbers jim

[TJWA]

Spent a couple of hours on the phone chasing the history of the Carnarvon Series 1's. Spoke to an 85 year old bloke, Bruce Teede, who used to be part owner of Ellis and Teede Engineering in Carnarvon and a roo shooter. He knows a lot about who owns which station and who bought which Landy (by the way he is not a Landy fan even though he has a soft spot for them and owned a few). I ran through the list of S1's sold to the carnarvon area (thanks Andy) and he knew of all but 2. Bruce has some photos of his S1 and is going to email them to me.

The history of 06109135 so far, it was dispatched to the Thompson Bros who owned Moogooree Station which was joined to Merlinleigh Station. The Thompson bros also bought Woodleigh Station. Moogooree Station was later managed by Ted Waters (or Walters).
The owner of Williambury Station bought Moogooree And Merlinleigh Station. The original owner of Williambury Station was Dick Mead and is now run by John Percy. I tried to phone John but it rang out.

As you can imagine, talking to an 85 year old about the past was about disjointed but he kept lots of information coming, so below are points and details made;
1) vehicle 06102330 sold to Ulawarra Past Co. on the 14/12/49 burnt to the ground on Minnie Station due to a build up of spinifex on the car. Bruce was there and watched it burn.
2) Bruce believes there is a 101 on the Williambury Station tip. (I will chase this up when I contact John Percy)
3) Bruce knows a Faulls mechanic, Jim Davies, who now works for "All Wheel Drive" in Jolimont. He said, "what Jim doesn't know about Landrovers is not worth knowing". If you run into Jim, say Hi from Bruce Teede.
4) Landor Station ordered 12 series 1's but requested they have the Series 2 engine or the 6 cylinder engines.
5) The Thompson Bros also bought another 80" in 1950 but they changed the engine to a 3 cylinder Perkins diesel. Bruce actual went to have a look to buy this vehicle from them but was turned away by the slow revving diesel and the low ratio gearbox. He said it was great for checking windmills on bumpy roads but too slow to drive on the road.

If anyone else has a S1 from the Gascoyne area and is chasing the history, message me and I will give you Bruce's number.

I'll keep you informed.

Regards
Jonesy

Hello, one of the Thomson (spelt correctly) brothers who owned Woodleigh Station was my Wife's Grandfather. The Thomson's sold the Station in 1983, the current owner is doing a great job of researching it's history and preserving it, but unfortunately it has already been stripped of many of it's relics by previous owners. We've just come back from there and there is no evidence anywhere on the Station of a Series 1.