Hypothetical "Would it fit"

[Gibs]

G'Day All
I have been wondering as to whether a TDV6 or maybe even the TDV8 would fit into the engine bay of a Defender (2000 and on shall we say). I know that the wiring loom would have to be a hybrid of the old an the new to get either motor to work, and that's not a big issue, what is the issue is "Is there enough room to do so with out chopping the hell out of the firewall, wings, floor ect ect and would you get enough air flow to keep the V's cool?"

Its just that my 2001 130 TD5 will die one day as all old engines do, so I sometime ponder what I would replace it with if ever I had to do so.

[sheerluck]

G'Day All
I have been wondering as to whether a TDV6 or maybe even the TDV8 would fit into the engine bay of a Defender (2000 and on shall we say). I know that the wiring loom would have to be a hybrid of the old an the new to get either motor to work, and that's not a big issue, what is the issue is "Is there enough room to do so with out chopping the hell out of the firewall, wings, floor ect ect and would you get enough air flow to keep the V's cool?"

Its just that my 2001 130 TD5 will die one day as all old engines do, so I sometime ponder what I would replace it with if ever I had to do so.

I know the TDV6 has been made to fit the D1 and the P38 - there's a couple of them running about in the UK, and a company that specialises in selling conversion parts and ECUs. (http://www.bodylogicuk.com/90265/info.php?p=11)

Given that a few on here have had V8s in their Defender engine bay without too much issue, it would seem logical that it should.

[mools]

One of the uk outfits (may have been Bell) put a tdv6 in a defender there is some footage of it on YouTube. Don't know what was involved in getting it in though.

I often muse on what else would go in there when the time comes. One guy on AULRO put an LS2 in a defender and I think most of the build is in a thread on here I think he was called CAL, from the Newcastle area.

Ian

[sheerluck]

One of the uk outfits (may have been Bell) put a tdv6 in a defender there is some footage of it on YouTube. Don't know what was involved in getting it in though.

I often muse on what else would go in there when the time comes. One guy inherent put an LS2 in a defender and I think most of the build is in a thread on here I think he was called CAL, from the Newcastle area.

Ian

A quick hunt confirms that - Defender TDV6 - News - Land Rover Owner International magazine (http://www.lro.com/news.php'sid=676)

[uninformed]

as the others have said the V6 has been put in...the stand alone harness is big $$$ somewhere around 3500 pounds!

Now the Ford teritory has the 2.7v6 similar to the older Disco/jag engine....

the other option is the Ford/mazda 3.2Tdci and the 6 speed from the defender but HD option

[mools]

Well there you go then, looks like things have come on a pace if there is a kit available for them now.

How much for a low km TDV6 and gear box to suit?

In the UK I reckon not too much as 2nd hand discos and ranges have quite a low value, here it's a different story and possibly need a written of vehicle to plunder.

Ian.

[dullbird]

I can confirm Bell auto did it because he gave us the keys at billing and said go start it up....it sounded SWEET!!!

[Gibs]

Well I have been on Bells site a few times, an I went back again tonight for another look see. Couldn't find any reference to a TD5-TDV6 swap kit/loom/ECU or even a TDV6 motor for that matter, that one could buy. I would have thought that given the amount of Discos that could be donors for this in the UK it be a standard item on the sales list! Pity.

[the_preacher1973]

Well I have been on Bells site a few times, an I went back again tonight for another look see. Couldn't find any reference to a TD5-TDV6 swap kit/loom/ECU or even a TDV6 motor for that matter, that one could buy. I would have thought that given the amount of Discos that could be donors for this in the UK it be a standard item on the sales list! Pity.

They are partnered with Simtek Body Logic. The kit for the TDV6 is 2950 GBP and is listed here:

Diesel ECU Packages (http://www.bodylogicuk.com/90265/info.php?p=10&cat=327154)

[Gibs]

Thanks for all the input guys, definitely something to think about. May have to start a new penny saving fund so I can change up when the ol TD5 finally does let go.

[jimr1]

Hi i've seen pics in LRO mag , of disco 3 v6 in a defender , its a shoehorn job. Not the way i'd go .Now the ford/mazda TD5 thats what Land Rover should be useing now, instead of the Ford Transit 2.2 ..It's only amater of time before kits come out , if they havent already ...Brings back memorys of Holden red motors ...:):)

[uninformed]

it would be great to have a 2.7/3.0v6 or the 3.2 Ford engine but at $5000 just for the ECU harness that is just BS! :mad:

[the_preacher1973]

it would be great to have a 2.7/3.0v6 or the 3.2 Ford engine but at $5000 just for the ECU harness that is just BS! :mad:

It may not make it economic but for a custom ECU it's not that outrageous. I assume they have to use a highly programmable unit as due to the low volumes it probably doesn't pay to develop a discrete chip.

The Autronic SM4 I use in my 911 Turbo cost $4000 just for the unit without any programming.

Even the cheapies like the Stinger 8860 are $2000.

Still, I see where you're coming from. Dropping a TDV6 into an old TD5 is likely to cost more than a second hand Puma.

[pannawonica]

Bell/ Neve Overland Puma 3.2 Puma conversion @$30K dollars with heavy duty Transit/ Ashcroft gearbox conversion. However it does look factory apart from the extra cylinder, probably what they should have offered factory! I do not honestly think I could spend that amout on a $40K vehicle but there are now a few running around. Maybe over here there are other $:D effective solutions.

[tangus89]

these guys do one Saluki | JE Engineering (http://www.jeengineering.co.uk/saluki.html), would love the blown v8 (zulu)

[uninformed]

It may not make it economic but for a custom ECU it's not that outrageous. I assume they have to use a highly programmable unit as due to the low volumes it probably doesn't pay to develop a discrete chip.

The Autronic SM4 I use in my 911 Turbo cost $4000 just for the unit without any programming.

Even the cheapies like the Stinger 8860 are $2000.

Still, I see where you're coming from. Dropping a TDV6 into an old TD5 is likely to cost more than a second hand Puma.

yes i get that, but I bet your 911turbo is worth more than my aging defender......then add engine/tranny and conversion costs....shame because maybe just maybe the 2.7 teritory or 3.2 fordmazda engines may become econimicly viable....the ecu etc probably not...

[frantic]

I think in the u.k they must fit new rather than 2nd hand engines so that pushes up the cost. Also its a complete package of new td new transfer and an ashcroft box along with a flashy dash/ glove box installed. So instead of a new 2.2 they could buy an old county or tdi burnt out td5 put in a new gal chassis , rebuild diffs with ashcroft axles and buy a second hand interior from a wrecked puma or exmoor for new and get the 3.2 td5 for around the same. What would you do? ;)

[sheerluck]

I did look semi-seriously at doing this conversion for my D1. I'd found somewhere in the UK selling a 2.7TDV6 for 500pounds, and had priced up all the other parts. Then the realisation kicks in that you would only be the owner of an overpriced curiosity, and it would be better just to buy something that had that engine in it as standard.

If it's something that you will keep and run into the ground, then perhaps it is worth it, but you sure as hell wouldn't get your money back:o

[frantic]

I did look semi-seriously at doing this conversion for my D1. I'd found somewhere in the UK selling a 2.7TDV6 for 500pounds, and had priced up all the other parts. Then the realisation kicks in that you would only be the owner of an overpriced curiosity, and it would be better just to buy something that had that engine in it as standard.

If it's something that you will keep and run into the ground, then perhaps it is worth it, but you sure as hell wouldn't get your money back:o

Thats the same with almost ANY modification you do. A suspension upgrade and some bigger tyres+ wheels will cost you $*000 but you will be lucky if you increase the value of your 4bie by 20% of that cost as most buyers think you will have driven it harder or depending on the scale of the mods you reduce the number of people who want a car modified that way. The only thing spoken about here that would come close to holding a majority of its cost is the auto tranny in a defender as the number of people who cannot drive a manual increases yearly.
To most defender owners they are lifers so as I said before if they have the $$$ for a new or near new puma the complete rebuild of a older def that may cost 10-20% but be exactly what they want for another 20+ years is a serious consideration.:D

[Gibs]

Thats the same with almost ANY modification you do. A suspension upgrade and some bigger tyres+ wheels will cost you $*000 but you will be lucky if you increase the value of your 4bie by 20% of that cost as most buyers think you will have driven it harder or depending on the scale of the mods you reduce the number of people who want a car modified that way. The only thing spoken about here that would come close to holding a majority of its cost is the auto tranny in a defender as the number of people who cannot drive a manual increases yearly.
To most defender owners they are lifers so as I said before if they have the $$$ for a new or near new puma the complete rebuild of a older def that may cost 10-20% but be exactly what they want for another 20+ years is a serious consideration.:D

Bingo!!
I have no intention of ever getting rid of my Defender 130. Ok its a 2001 model..so what. I can upgrade it with bits an bobs as I go and get MY defer the way I want it to be. That's the beauty of defers, bits just bolt in an out to suit the owner of the day. Its one of the reason most of us brought them in the first place. BUT in order to keep the beloved beasty, one must have alternatives to replace the bits that break. So finding out how an what will fit an work is not just idle chit chat.