Holden red motor and conversion plate

[Jonesy1972]

I have a 1958 S1 107" with a holden red motor. Sorry I don't know what size the red motor is. It is still in the Landy and is going cheap (swap for 80" parts) minus the radiator and the other original Landy parts, and yes the conversion plate goes with the engine.

The only hitch is you need to remove it from the car with no damage to the Landy.

If you have any 80" parts to swap send me a message.

Regards
Jonesy1972

[Landy Smurf]

if you look on the side of the block it will have a number that will say what motor it is most likely a 186 or a 202

[Jonesy1972]

if you look on the side of the block it will have a number that will say what motor it is most likely a 186 or a 202

I had a look but couldn't see a number. What side should it be on?

Regards
Jonesy

[Landy Smurf]

it was on the passengers side I think. what colour is the engine.
I am not sure if I have asked you this before but what 80' parts are you after?

[dandlandyman]

It should be a large cast 3-digit number behind the alternator/generator. If there is no number there, it's a 149 (low compression, iirc). The engine number in this case should have a single letter prefix (M or Q I think, but don't quote me on it), as these usually came out of EHs. Later engines have the engine size as a prefix. The engine number is on a flat boss near the distributor.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4 (still in disguise), 68 2B FC pet6 (still resting quietly), plus 13 other project/parts cars (1xS2, 5xS2As, 7xS3s).

[Jonesy1972]

it was on the passengers side I think. what colour is the engine.
I am not sure if I have asked you this before but what 80' parts are you after?

It's a red motor. I had a good look at the engine and I can't find any ID except for a "1". The engine is a recond, from the sticker on the rocker cover.
As for S1 parts, I am looking for a front grill (full grill for lights behind), "D" lights for the rear, a tail gate, hoops.

Regards
Jonesy1972

[Landy Smurf]

you can still buy the d lights, keep your eyes out for a grill i saw one not long ago on ebay but not very often they come up. getting a good tailgate is near impossible I reccommend getting a new one made up when the time comes. hoops you may need to look for a wreck as they would be a pretty sort after part it is one of the few left I have to get but I have a lot more to do before that

[Landy Smurf]

if you want to know more about the holden engine try holden wikipedia website so much good info on there it should help you identify it, but to be honest if it is seized it is probably worth more as scrap as there is quite a few holden motors around

[Jonesy1972]

It should be a large cast 3-digit number behind the alternator/generator. If there is no number there, it's a 149 (low compression, iirc). The engine number in this case should have a single letter prefix (M or Q I think, but don't quote me on it), as these usually came out of EHs. Later engines have the engine size as a prefix. The engine number is on a flat boss near the distributor.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4 (still in disguise), 68 2B FC pet6 (still resting quietly), plus 13 other project/parts cars (1xS2, 5xS2As, 7xS3s).

Can't find the three digit number, only what appears to be the number "1" on the block near the alternator.
The number on the flat boss behind the Dizzy is 149D........, so I guess it is a 149. It was reconditioned by Dianella Auto Engineering in Bayswater by the sticker on the rocker cover.

[Landy Smurf]

do you have a few photos of the engine that you could post up

[Landy Smurf]

how many welsh plugs does it have?

[Jonesy1972]

Here are some photos. The dip stick still has oil on it. I will try to rotate the crankshaft today, I tried turning the fan but the fan belt is too loose.

[Jonesy1972]

you can still buy the d lights, keep your eyes out for a grill i saw one not long ago on ebay but not very often they come up. getting a good tailgate is near impossible I reccommend getting a new one made up when the time comes. hoops you may need to look for a wreck as they would be a pretty sort after part it is one of the few left I have to get but I have a lot more to do before that

Just a quick query about the tail gate, is the tail gate frame and skin made from steel?

Regards
Jonesy

[Chris72]

The engine number is on the drivers side, there is a milled area front in front of the distributor, also there should be large numbers on the passenger side just below the manifold near the alternator and above the sump, this will also tell you what size the motor is e.g. 149, 161, 179, 173, 186, 202 these are all known as red motors. just to note the engine number will tell you what model Holden the motor came from originally as some people restoring a car to concourse condition may be worth more to them. Try here for info on you motor
Main Page - Holdenpaedia (http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/Main_Page)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

how many welsh plugs does it have?I didn't think Holden engines have welsh plugs? Welsh plugs are a particular type of core plug, which look like a domed round disk. When fitted they come up against a shoulder in the block, then you hit them with a hammer to expand the diameter and seal the block.

They were used in WWII International truck engines and various other makes but rarely used after the 1950's.

Holden engines use the standard cup shaped core plugs.

[Landy Smurf]

I just saw it from holdenpedia maybe they said core plugs but I though he said welsh

[Landy Smurf]

AFAIK the outer fram is steel the rest is alluminium. I got quoted $250 for a new one out of steel or $350 for a new one as original.
personally if I was going to get a steel one I would probably have a go myself

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I just saw it from holdenpedia maybe they said core plugs but I though he said wel****'s one of those common misconceptions. Many people think they ARE called welsh plugs until they try to buy some.

In fact it is actually pretty hard to find welsh plugs these days. We had to replace some in a WWII M3 half track last year and it took about a month to find someone who had them in the correct size.

[Chris72]

I've always thought of them as being called welsh plugs, but yeah core plugs works , any way just took a couple of snaps of the 149 motor that's going in my landie you can see 3 core plugs left hand side of block and 1 at the rear of block.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/RCK-914/DSCF3339_zps95560a70.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/RCK-914/DSCF3340_zpsc12e3076.jpg

[Landy Smurf]

3=149, 5=179,186,202 I think I read

[Jonesy1972]

It's one of those common misconceptions. Many people think they ARE called welsh plugs until they try to buy some.

In fact it is actually pretty hard to find welsh plugs these days. We had to replace some in a WWII M3 half track last year and it took about a month to find someone who had them in the correct size.

Doyou have a picture of a welch plug? I tried to find one on google but it kept coming up with standard core plugs. I'm curious as one of my mates does the variety club bash and has some old yank tank and asked me if I knew about removing welch plugs.

Regards
Jonesy

[Landy Smurf]

land rover welsh plugs - Google Search

[Jonesy1972]

Thanks Landy Smurf. What is the difference between a core plug and a welch plug? I thought they were the same thing but Lotz-A-Landies says they are different. I have changed a few core plugs in my time (teaching mechanical workshop to kids) and I am interested so I don't teach the wrong terminology.

Regards
Jonesy

[Landy Smurf]

I have never changed either one. But lotz-a-landies would know.
Are you teaching high school?

[bee utey]

Thanks Landy Smurf. What is the difference between a core plug and a welch plug? I thought they were the same thing but Lotz-A-Landies says they are different. I have changed a few core plugs in my time (teaching mechanical workshop to kids) and I am interested so I don't teach the wrong terminology.

Regards
Jonesy

A bit of reading here:

Welch Plug Installation, Expansion Plug Installation, Hubbard Plug Installation, Cupped Plug Installation, Freeze Plug Installation. (http://www.hubbardspring.com/install_reco.php?cid=45)

[russellrovers]

Thanks Landy Smurf. What is the difference between a core plug and a welch plug? I thought they were the same thing but Lotz-A-Landies says they are different. I have changed a few core plugs in my time (teaching mechanical workshop to kids) and I am interested so I don't teach the wrong terminology.

Regards
Jonesy
hi have full set of 80 inch bows used going on ebay if needed jim ring 0428732001

[Landy Smurf]

where are the bows located at and are they on ebay yet?

[Jonesy1972]

I have never changed either one. But lotz-a-landies would know.
Are you teaching high school?

I teach at a high school in Perth. I used to change the core plugs as an exercise with the kids because it was easy to do on an engine stand, cheap and easy to test.
Regards
Jonesy

[Jonesy1972]

A bit of reading here:

Welch Plug Installation, Expansion Plug Installation, Hubbard Plug Installation, Cupped Plug Installation, Freeze Plug Installation. (http://www.hubbardspring.com/install_reco.php?cid=45)

Thanks bee utey, great link. I've been teaching the wrong terminology.
Regards Jonesy

[Landy Smurf]

Automotive and metal were my fav subjects. we pulled apart a mower or wippersnipper motor both 2 and 4 stroke to see the difference and then put them back again. I remember my teacher had a really great book which he got mini booklets from that explained things it was great, so great that I kept hem all