Yes, another spare wheel carrier question

[Robsrod 58]

Hi all,
Has anybody attempted to modify there standard rear bar to incorperate a spare wheel carrier. I'm desperately trying to find a solution to the spare wheel dillema and I really don't want to put two on the roof, and I'm trying to avoid the hitch receiver gizmo:(

Thank in advance,
Rob

[Keithy P38]

I too am wondering if it would be possible to weld a stub axle to the chassis and cut out a section of the rear bumper to make this possible. It's easy enough to remove the bumper, wonder how hard it would be to do... Shame I suck at welding...

Cheers
Keithy

[Robsrod 58]

Yeh Keithy, That sounds like someway towards an idea.

What about a bracket setup either welded or bolted to the chassis that supports the stub axle ( to get it out toward the corner of the car ) and as you say cut out the bumper. Would there be enough strength in that I wonder?

There's a guy in Gelong who provides a basic kit that forms the basis of the whole carrier. "Rijidij" is the name, and the guy's name is Murray, he seems very helpful.

Rob

[Hoges]

:angel:
I too am wondering if it would be possible to weld a stub axle to the chassis and cut out a section of the rear bumper to make this possible. It's easy enough to remove the bumper, wonder how hard it would be to do... Shame I suck at welding...

Cheers
Keithy

If I understand what you are getting at, there's a practical problem: the chassis rail (both sides) is located about a hand span inside the outer extremity of the lower tailgate:(:wasntme: Which is why the commercial versions have the stub axle at the very end of the rear bumper....

EDIT: on further thought, the Moment exerted on the single chassis rail by a bracket supporting the weight of the entire frame plus spare wheel, would cause it to deform. You need to both chassis rails and a solid bumper I would have thought to support the weights involved. It's not just the static weight of the carrier and wheel but rather the significantly increased forces applying when travelling "in harm's way" :angel::twisted:

[Robsrod 58]

Would the chassis rail support such a bracket that far away from the fulcrum, what ,about 200 mm I guess?

How do other vehicles cope with this I wonder?

So that why the D3 and D4 bracket bolts through the bumper!

[Robsrod 58]

:angel:

If I understand what you are getting at, there's a practical problem: the chassis rail (both sides) is located about a hand span inside the outer extremity of the lower tailgate:(:wasntme: Which is why the commercial versions have the stub axle at the very end of the rear bumper....

EDIT: on further thought, the Moment exerted on the single chassis rail by a bracket supporting the weight of the entire frame plus spare wheel, would cause it to deform. You need to both chassis rails and a solid bumper I would have thought to support the weights involved. It's not just the static weight of the carrier and wheel but rather the significantly increased forces applying when travelling "in harm's way" :angel::twisted:
Way to quick with your edit Hoges:D

[DT-P38]

I have one (a through bumper stub axle type swing arm) that I am pretty sure was made by Hardy Neale (original HardRange owner). It came to me a few years ago via Willem (a fellow AULRO member) down near Geelong.

I even saw photos of it fitted up on a P38 (perhaps Paul's hardrangie, pre HardRange sill stickers?) on RR.net too from memory...

Anyway, I am pretty certain the setup is still somewhere under my house, will dig it all out and post photos tomorrow.

[Keithy P38]

I like the sound of that Dave. The seed has been planted.

So to make a brace that crosses both chassis rails and extend the stub out of the lower tailgate's way seems to be the best way both structurally and practically (of course). Not forgetting the need to place a set of lights on the bumper as well - perhaps LED strips?

Overtime is taking my R&R at the moment but when I do next get a decent bit of time off ill rip off my bumper and assess under-bumper clearances.

Cheers
Keithy

[mtb_gary]

This sounds like a plan! I like the idea. If someone has one of the pics it would be great to have it posted.
Gary

[Scouse]

There was a car at the recent NSW Expo with a set up like this. I'll load some photos tomorrow but I didn't take any undercar shots.

[Keithy P38]

I believe the 100 series cruiser has the bumper cut wheel carrier as an option... Have seen a few with standard bumpers and wheel carriers attached... Could be the 100 series option when LPG is fitted?

[rijidij]

I'm not familiar with the chassis layout under the rear plastic bumper on a P38, but it might be possible to make a wheel carrier that fits up similar to a D3/4 where a steel bracket fits around and bolts to the chassis. This is the main support for the stub axle which pokes through the plastic bumper. It obviously depends on how strong the chassis is. It's a good idea to share the weight of the carrier, wheel etc between the stub axle and a load baring locator at the latch end.
Here are some pictures of a D3/4 wheel carrier which might give you some ideas.
If the P38 chassis doesn't extend to the end of the bumper, it might just be a case of making a more robust bracket.
If someone can take pics of the rear chassis with the bumper removed I would be interested to see it.

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1287.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1288.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1289.jpg

[PaulP38a]

I have one (a through bumper stub axle type swing arm) that I am pretty sure was made by Hardy Neale (original HardRange owner). It came to me a few years ago via Willem (a fellow AULRO member) down near Geelong.

I even saw photos of it fitted up on a P38 (perhaps Paul's hardrangie, pre HardRange sill stickers?) on RR.net too from memory...

Anyway, I am pretty certain the setup is still somewhere under my house, will dig it all out and post photos tomorrow.

That kit has done the rounds... First with Hardy, then to me, then to Willem and now with Dave :)

yes it was originally fitted to my P38 and Hardy removed it before selling the car to me but gave me the bits. As I recall, he didn't like or trust it much but it did prove that it could be done, and with better bracing across the chassis rails could be a winner.
I should have a couple of photos in Hard Range archive if/when I can find them.

[Hoges]

That kit has done the rounds... First with Hardy, then to me, then to Willem and now with Dave :)

yes it was originally fitted to my P38 and Hardy removed it before selling the car to me but gave me the bits. As I recall, he didn't like or trust it much but it did prove that it could be done, and with better bracing across the chassis rails could be a winner.
I should have a couple of photos in Hard Range archive if/when I can find them.


That kit has done the rounds... First with Hardy, then to me, then to Willem and now with Dave :)

yes it was originally fitted to my P38 and Hardy removed it before selling the car to me but gave me the bits. As I recall, he didn't like or trust it much but it did prove that it could be done, and with better bracing across the chassis rails could be a winner.
I should have a couple of photos in Hard Range archive if/when I can find them.

Right on the money Paul! A properly designed layout needs to include both chassis rails...
The installation in the photo of the D3 is really neat:BigThumb:

The metal form of the rear bumper under the plastic shell on the P38 attaches to the chassis rails with just two bolts (one into each rail) from underneath.. needs further bracing to accept additional weight.

wondering if the bracing might fit inside the bumper ...or as Keithy suggests cutting metal part of the bumper but retaining the outer plastic cover so that it hides the upper surface of a brace which attaches to both chassis rails:eek:

Or build a new structure to acommodate the wheel carrier and fit the plastic skin of the existing bumper around it so it becomes a "faux" 'original' bumper....

[DT-P38]

That kit has done the rounds... First with Hardy, then to me, then to Willem and now with Dave :)

yes it was originally fitted to my P38 and Hardy removed it before selling the car to me but gave me the bits. As I recall, he didn't like or trust it much but it did prove that it could be done, and with better bracing across the chassis rails could be a winner.
I should have a couple of photos in Hard Range archive if/when I can find them.

I checked and what I have is incomplete. I only have the swing arm and none of the "interesting" behind the bumper bits. Sorry.

[mtb_gary]

Bugger :(

[Keithy P38]

I emailed my mate at Toyota. He says that Outback 4wd Accessories make one for the 100 series that they use. He couldn't get me a part number and from what I see their website is incomplete...

[PaulP38a]

I checked and what I have is incomplete. I only have the swing arm and none of the "interesting" behind the bumper bits. Sorry.

hmm, there was a complete one and a partial one that I gave Willem a few years ago. I guess he must have the complete one and you have the other bits.

[Scouse]

Here's the Expo RR:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=56401&d=1360107845

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=56402&d=1360107920

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=56403&d=1360108011

[Keithy P38]

EXACTLY how I planned on doing it - except I'd lift the tyre up a bit.

Anyone got friends in the RTA?

[PaulP38a]

not this one Dave?... Hardy labelled this photo as "Crap Carrier" ;)
Apparently it was pretty useless and needed a lot of stiffening.

[DT-P38]

Yes that looks like it. Very light weight and pretty much looks like its for smooth on road use.

Any bumps and lumps would see it stress and perhaps bend and break.

[benji]

Yikes!! That's looks a tad scarry. There are better carriers of this style getting around. I'm trying to chase one down her in Bendigo who's got one.