Rated recovery points?

[noogie]

Hi all

I have been trying to track down a solid chasis mounted recovery hitch/point specifically designed for a deefer with no luck.

Has anyone got any contacts or know of a place to buy one?

Cheers
Mick

:D

[n plus one]

Search out Jate rings, also someone does ones that attach to the standard front bumper - I'll post again if I can find a link.

[agrojnr]

Paddock spares in the UK or mm4x4 will sell you the bits and mm will quote u on shipping before buying where as paddocks won't

Adam

[Matplat]

paddocks will quote for shipping if you ask them... they got me 3 prices when I had my cylinder head shipped...

alternatively, have a look for mounting points on the chassis rail, then take measurments and sketch your own recovery point, send me your drawing and I will turn it into a .dxf file then take the dxf file to your local laser or plasma cutter and get them to cut it from 8mm mild steel. Paint it, bolt it up, job done.

[Samblers]

My thread with similar question:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/168942-novice-recovery-point-rigging-question.html

I fitted jate rings. I got genuine LR ones, just because. These were the widened ones so they fitted round the ARB bullbar attachment plate which also uses the same attachment location.

I also concluded that "rated" recovery points means nothing. Rated by who? If you fit them yourself then its up to you to decide if they are suitable for the intended purpose... no one else will guarantee it.

Some people argue that attaching recovery points to a bumper or bullbar is/isnt acceptable, but reality is that everybody has different set-ups and (in my case) ARB would not guarantee that my bullbar would be up to it.

I decided to remove all doubt and fit the recovery points directly to the chassis.

Just my own conclusions, hope that helps

Sam

[78RRman]

I'm going down the terrafirma path for the puma, I don't have a bulbar yet so I found these and they look the the goods the part numbers are TFBRP for the front recovery point and TFWSRP for the rear should be on the terrafirma website ritters in Melbourne stock them not big items I'm sure postage wouldn't be an issue hope this helps

[noogie]

The product that mm & paddocks sell, do they bolt to the chassis? I have 2 large eye bolts attached to bulbar, but i really want a recovery point fitted to the chassis as this is the correct location to fit one.
Thanks for info.
I'll chase these leads out.
Cheers
Mick

[noogie]

I'm going down the terrafirma path for the puma, I don't have a bulbar yet so I found these and they look the the goods the part numbers are TFBRP for the front recovery point and TFWSRP for the rear should be on the terrafirma website ritters in Melbourne stock them not big items I'm sure postage wouldn't be an issue hope this helps

I looked that part number up. Does it fit to the chassis?

[Samblers]

The product that mm & paddocks sell, do they bolt to the chassis? I have 2 large eye bolts attached to bulbar, but i really want a recovery point fitted to the chassis as this is the correct location to fit one.
Thanks for info.
I'll chase these leads out.
Cheers
Mick

If its a U-shaped thingo, yes it fits to the chassis.

I bought the forged type, not the welded or cast types, after a bit of reading.

Attach using Grade 8.8 bolts

[ProjectDirector]

If you don't have steering guard try this one which comes with recovery points where you can attach your shackles
http://www.aptfabrications.com.au/defender/product/6-defender-steering-guard-af1020

[Loubrey]

First time on APT's website...

They've got some very nice gear!!!

Cheers,

Lou

[ProjectDirector]

First time on APT's website...

They've got some very nice gear!!!

Cheers,

Lou

I will be getting the steering guard from there for my 110 given that I will use the LR winch bar

[78RRman]

Yeah Noogie the front ones are a pair and they go around the bumper and bolt up to the chassis. from what I've read they need to be used as a pair when there is load on them. The rear one bolts up to the rear cross member in the centre.

[noogie]

Thanks for that.
:D

[noogie]

If you don't have steering guard try this one which comes with recovery points where you can attach your shackles
APT Fabrication for Land Rover parts - Defender steering guard (AF1020) (http://www.aptfabrications.com.au/defender/product/6-defender-steering-guard-af1020)

Now that looks like a really nice bit of kit
Thanks mate

[noyakfat]

I also concluded that "rated" recovery points means nothing. Rated by who? If you fit them yourself then its up to you to decide if they are suitable for the intended purpose... no one else will guarantee it.

Sam

I believe "rated" means that they have been tested to confirm stress tolerances, breaking strains etc etc. This is the case with rated shackles and the like. In the case of shackles, if it is "rated" it will be stamped with the suggested safe load limit e.g. "WWL 3 1/4 T" meaning that, based on testing, it is 'rated' to a max of three and one quarter tonnes.

Cheers,
Nige

[KarlB]

I believe "rated" means that they have been tested to confirm stress tolerances, breaking strains etc etc. This is the case with rated shackles and the like. In the case of shackles, if it is "rated" it will be stamped with the suggested safe load limit e.g. "WWL 3 1/4 T" meaning that, based on testing, it is 'rated' to a max of three and one quarter tonnes.

Cheers,
Nige

You're correct Nige. However, the place on the vehicle to which the hook or eye is attached is not rated, nor is the actual attachment. A rated 'hook' could be attached to a baked bean can that has been super-glued to the headlight! In many respects the 'rating' may amount to very little. Be mindful that the chassis of a Defender is made of fairly thin mild steel. Its strength is in its 'box section', and its re-enforcement at locations that are subject to greater stress.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Brad110]

Mick I have a similar plate without the tow points.

It's a good piece of kit but check it will fit with your current bar and winch.

See ya soon

[noyakfat]

the place on the vehicle to which the hook or eye is attached is not rated, nor is the actual attachment.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

OK, now I see what you guys are getting at :) I just thought there was confusion over the actual term.

I agree whole-heartedly about fitting recovery points to chassis strong points. Thanks Karl for the clarification.

Cheers,
Nige

[Tikka7mm08]

Hi - does the Terrafirma (and Britpart do similar http://www.britpart.com/Accessory.aspx?AccessoryRef=1847) rear recovery swivel (TFWSRP) bolt to the existing holes on rear bar (above the tow ball)??

[Loubrey]

Hi Tikka,

No it doesn't with a very specific reason. You'll see that it has a threaded backing plate acting as one single nut. That is meant to be attached to a flat surface strong enough to carry the load by itself.

The rear cross member requires longitudinal bracing as on the tow bars to actually be able to carry the rated towing capacity. The Puma fuel tank negates any ability to strengthen the rear cross member other than the tow bar braces.

The existing threaded holes are a left over from the ability to attach a NATO hitch to the rear cross member (up to and including 300Tdi), but the Land Rover fitting kit included a set of braces that formed part of the military strengthening of the chassis. You can therefore still bolt the NATO hitch to a Puma, but it is near enough useless for its designed application.

The only viable option for a recovery point on the rear of a Puma would be the Hayman Reece based tow hitches with the 50mm shank inserts (hope they're available in NZ!). Should you not be able to do that, you might look at a pair of those swivels (to use with a bridle) exactly on the points the cross member meets the chassis and to manufacture crush prevention tubes to try and bolt it to the cross member. That does however sound like way too much effort and the strength would remain dubious...

Cheers,

Lou

[Tikka7mm08]

Thanks Lou it sounds like a drama alright. Hayman Reese isn't cheap but the idea is good. A friend uses Jate shackles and a bridle, but of course they can be under the truck when needed most. Bloody difficult isn't it! Starting a web search for the H-R kit I would need.

[Lagerfan]

The only viable option for a recovery point on the rear of a Puma would be the Hayman Reece based tow hitches with the 50mm shank inserts ...

Hi Lou, is this the sort of thing you are referring to here?

[Loubrey]

Hi Lagerfan,

Yes that's the item. I'll steer well clear of calling anything "rated" (serious discussions about that in the Recovery section), but that's honestly the best option on a Puma. The tank sits so tight between the chassis members that there is little option for anything stronger.

Having said all that, I still avoid kinetic (snatch) recoveries where possible. Just a normal tow strap with the slack gently taken up and a pull in as straight a line as possible.

Cheers,

Lou

[Tikka7mm08]

Yep I ordered a Smittybuilt one from Amazon to go on the back of my new Terrafirma 50mmx50mm box hitch. I'll avoid snatch recovery as well.

[modman]

^^^^^^^ think I just saw those on special at supercheap for $29??
Was in there latest dogalogue
IIRC the pin from a HR style receiver handles about 10 ton with a strap in its double sheer position
I've had to remove bent ones, thank god for recip saws!!!
David