Rear wheel carrier

[Pinelli]

Anyone know if the D1 and D2 real wheel carriers are the same?


Local tyre shop left it to the apprentice to put the spare wheel back on - with a air gun I'm assuming, crossing some threads in the meantime. I couldn't get it off , and it took them an impact air gun to get it off, leaving two bolts and nuts buggered, they're going to replace it, and I'd be happy with a second hand one if available. Will a D1 or D2a fit interchangeably?

59757

[Disco Muppet]

Why would you airgun on the spare.......
Wheels maybe, but the spare?
If they're going to replace it, just get a D2 one.
Get it inverted while you're at it so you can put a larger tyre on the rear ;)

EDIT:
Here's a link to a D2 and then a D1 carrier.
Looks pretty much identical to me, perhaps there are subtle differences.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-2-REAR-DOOR-SPARE-WHEEL-CARRIER-/370422567880?pt=UK_Car_Interior_Accessories&hash=item563ee7d3c8&_uhb=1

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-1-REAR-DOOR-SPARE-WHEEL-CARRIER-/370469061445?pt=UK_Car_Interior_Accessories&hash=item5641ad4345&_uhb=1

[sheerluck]

They have separate part numbers, presumably because the bolt spacing is quite different on the D2 compared to the D1.

Looks like the rest of the metalwork is quite similar, though. However, I'd make them pay for a proper new one.

[twr7cx]

Looks like the rest of the metalwork is quite similar, though. However, I'd make them pay for a proper new one.

There's no reason it needs to be new, the one that they broke wasn't new.

It sounds like the tyre shop made a mistake and have owned up to it and are doing the right thing. There is no point in pushing it further than it needs to be, if they're replacing a broken used one with a good condition second hand one, that seems perfectly reasonable. Forcing them to supply a new one, may just mean that this time you get a brand new one, but next time (and it might be someone else completely), they'll be ****** and deny that it happened at their shop because of how much it cost them last time. If they're being pleasant and helpful about it and have agreed to resolve it in an acceptable mean, why push it, there's many other shops that would just be ****** about it.

But the above is just my opinion.

[Disco Muppet]

Think about it though.
Spares may have to be freighted from the other side of the country, might be private seller, and you have no idea on its condition and lets face it. A spare wheel and tyre isn't a light item by any stretch of the imagination, the item might be stuffed.
As opposed to going to the local landy dealership or parts place, which will be a registered business (which makes things easier, I've had to deal with replacing items damaged at a tyre store, and they said it's much easier to have a formal receipt from a business, or for them to ring up and say how much). You've also got a much better chance of being able to claim warranty in the event that it's a dud.
I'd be going for a new one.

[slug_burner]

Anyone know if the D1 and D2 real wheel carriers are the same?


Local tyre shop left it to the apprentice to put the spare wheel back on - with a air gun I'm assuming, crossing some threads in the meantime. I couldn't get it off , and it took them an impact air gun to get it off, leaving two bolts and nuts buggered, they're going to replace it, and I'd be happy with a second hand one if available. Will a D1 or D2a fit interchangeably?

59757

No they will be different given that the diameter of the circle the bolt holes are on the wheels is different. I think even the thread size of the studs is different. Easiest fix is probably a replacement of the studs, I have not looked to see how the studs are attached but it had to be assembled some how.

[oxley2903]

Hi there,

I just bought my D2 and it didn't have nuts for the spare wheel carrier. A friend of mine who has about 5 D1s in his own private graveyard had some so thinking they would fit I grabbed them. Unfortunately they are much larger on the D1 than on the D2.

Haven't been able to source any nuts for my D2 yet but once I do I can let you know also.

Tony

[Disco Muppet]

Haven't been able to source any nuts for my D2 yet

Have you put the CDL back in? :Rolling:

[sheerluck]

There's no reason it needs to be new, the one that they broke wasn't new........

In my post I didn't actually mean a brand spanking new item, I think fingers got ahead of brain a little.:p

The impression I got from the OP's post was that the company concerned were looking to cobble something together, rather than just replace the carrier.

My thought (which my fingers didn't necessarily manage to convey properly) was that just getting to go to a breaker, who often give a limited warranty on their parts, and get the right part, and bolt it on.

That to me would seem pretty fair.

[slug_burner]

Hi there,

I just bought my D2 and it didn't have nuts for the spare wheel carrier. A friend of mine who has about 5 D1s in his own private graveyard had some so thinking they would fit I grabbed them. Unfortunately they are much larger on the D1 than on the D2.

Haven't been able to source any nuts for my D2 yet but once I do I can let you know also.

Tony

M14 X 1.5, I think you will find the later commodores use the same stud/wheel nut thread size as the D2. However if your spare is an alloy you will also have to match the hole size in the wheel which for D2s is quite large.

[Pinelli]

Company was good about it. I showed them the problem, manager got the apprentice to remove the wheel he put on so well :p and when damage was evident, they offered straight away to replace it with a second hand one, no dramas, which I thought was fair. The car is 13 years old, after all. I would have been happy if they welded in new bolts, but they wanted to replace the whole lot. Limited options locally, so they;re going to try and source one in Townsville or Mackay, both of which I'll be in over the next few days, and if they find one, I've offered to collect it to save on freight.

Understand, it's a small town, I teach his kid, I taught the apprentice when he was at school (not one of my successes), they give good free advice when I need it, you keep things sweet, and everyone looks after everyone else:D.

I just wanted to know if a D1 carrier would fit too to widen the possible source, but I think sheerluck & slug_burner are on the money saying the D1 and D2 had different pitch sizes for the wheels. To be honest, I'm not even too worried about the colour, given it will be mostly hidden by the wheel and tyre most of the time.

Cheers all, I'll let you know how I go.

[d2dave]

Definitely correct about different thread sizes. D1 is larger, same size as Defender. D2 is smaller and the same as later rangies. I have both a D1 and D2

[Tombie]

Note... You must remove interior panel, not just undo bolts..

And you will break trim clips!

[Disco Muppet]

And you will break trim clips!

I disagree ;)
I broke zero of mine, I thought I did but they were already broken.
Just have to be careful about it :)

[Franz]

I disagree ;)
I broke zero of mine, although three were already broken I later found out.
Just have to be careful about it :)
You must be the only person to have achieved this without breaking any clips!

[Disco Muppet]

You must be the only person to have achieved this without breaking any clips!

What colour are the original clips?
It could have been mine were already replaced.
But I like to think I'm special :D

[sheerluck]

.........But I like to think I'm special :D

Oh, we know that, Muppet. That was because your mother was a Chinchilla, and your father smelt of lemon peel, and you call a citrus fruit home.

[Disco Muppet]

Oh, we know that, Muppet. That was because your mother was a Chinchilla, and your father smelt of lemon peel, and you call a citrus fruit home.

Have I touched a nerve or something Dave? :p
And it stands to reason that my father would smell of lemon if I live in a citrus fruit :lol2:

[schuy1]

My MY, How quickly a thread gets skewed! Trim clips t0 citrus peel and chinchillas in 1 foul swoop!! Think we know who the fruit is........... :D :D :D :D

[sheerluck]

My MY, How quickly a thread gets skewed! Trim clips t0 citrus peel and chinchillas in 1 foul swoop!! Think we know who the fruit is........... :D :D :D :D

Fear not. It is a play on a Monty Python line from the Holy Grail, which Muppet kindly reminded me of in recent posts. And I can blame the drugs. They're good!:D

[OffTrack]

And I can blame the drugs.

That would explain the D1 V8. You must have some lucid moments or you wouldn't own a D3 :D

[sheerluck]

That would explain the D1 V8. You must have some lucid moments or you wouldn't own a D3 :D

Well, the price I got the D3 for, I'd have had to have been on drugs to not buy it!

[Franz]

What colour are the original clips?
It could have been mine were already replaced.
But I like to think I'm special :D
Red, and you probably had a decent clip removal tool.

[Pinelli]

That went somewhere different.

As did I this afternoon. While in Townsville, I dropped in to Land Rover Only, run by Tim, in north Townsville. Now that's an impressive yard full of Land Rovers.

[Disco Muppet]

Red, and you probably had a decent clip removal tool.

Flat bladed screwdriver and a pair of scissors ;)

[MR LR]

D1's and D2's have different stud patterns, they are NOT THE SAME

[schuy1]

Flat bladed screwdriver and a pair of scissors ;)
Blimming hell! some people are born lucky! :o or is that "ignorance is bliss"? or maybe "Fools rush in"? :p

[Disco Muppet]

Easy. Use a large flat bladed screw driver, while using the rave diagram, to pull the start of the trim panel back. Then with the scissor blades slightly open (so they sit on either side of the clip) lever the clip out using the scissor blades gently, one ridge at a time.
All this from me, and I'm heavy handed at the best of times :D
I had three broken clips in a row above the exterior door handle, which I found when I first started so I thought I'd broken them.

[Pinelli]

Okay, so 2/10 on my part for Thinking Skills, I didn't ask the tyre shop to check whether the wheel nuts on the road wheels were put on with the impact wrench.

Went to replace the front brake pads, as per recommendation by my mate, and can only get 3 of the wheel nuts to shift on the front right wheel. That includes standing on the brace, and standing on the end of the brace plus short extension. All that did was bend the bloody brace. And destroy the stainless steel cap on one of the wheel nuts, now showing a buggered wheel nut underneath. I can't even get enough of a grip on that to move it with a breaker bar.

:censored:

And :censored: again

Haven't tried any other wheels, but I suspect I'm going to be a not-very-happy shouty customer come Monday morning.

[twr7cx]

Regardless of what they used, they shouldn't be that tight!

[Franz]

Regardless of what they used, they shouldn't be that tight!
Try telling that to any amount of tyre shops!

It's amazing how many of us have had this experience - happened to me twice with two seperate tyre companies - naturally, they replaced all my wheel nuts at their expense and fixed a broken stud on my tyre carrier.

Good help is hard to find.................

[Pinelli]

Well, I reckon a 90% win on my part, I already had the brake pads and new rotors, which I was going to fit myself, and they not only fixed the tight wheel nuts, but fitted the pads and rotors at no charge, and put the repaired wheel carrier back on for me.

I'm out a bent tyre lever and the wheel nut I buggered up trying to loosen, but on the other hand didn't spend hours on the weekend doing the brake work myself.

They did try to blame the factory tyre lever as too short (which has never been a problem for me in the past), but given that they didn't even try to charge me for what must have been several hours of labour, I decided to not push the point, thanked them for sorting it out the same day I brought the car in, and left.

In two minds as to whether I will go back again or not. Usually service there is pretty good.

[MR LR]

Tell them to set the factory torque on the wheel nuts next time and you won't have a problem.

[Judo]

They did try to blame the factory tyre lever as too short

The factory tyre lever length should be perfect so that the strength of the average person leaning on the lever will torque the nut to the correct setting. The flip side of that is, that if the tyre lever was too short, then using it to tighten a wheel nut would guarantee the nut was not done up tight enough when you changed your tyre.

So as I'm sure everyone agrees..... tyre lever being too short is almost certainly untrue.

[Judo]

The factory tyre lever length should be perfect so that the strength of the average person leaning on the lever will torque the nut to the correct setting. The flip side of that is, that if the tyre lever was too short, then using it to tighten a wheel nut would guarantee the nut was not done up tight enough when you changed your tyre.

So as I'm sure everyone agrees..... tyre lever being too short is almost certainly untrue.
OK, so this made me curious...

I just measured my D1 tyre lever. Assuming the centre of my force on the lever is about 2cm in from the end of the handle, my tyre lever is about 25cm long. If I put my full weight of 65kg on that I will torque the nut to 159Nm. D1 spec says 126Nm. I'm not exactly fat at 65kg and I can easily over torque my wheel nuts with a 25cm factory tyre lever.

To apply 126Nm of torque/force to the nut on my tyre lever, I need to apply just over 51kg of weight.

I remember when I first bought my Disco, I was jumping up and down on that lever and couldn't get a nut to budge. Clearly WAY over 126Nm.

[Pinelli]

Thanks Judo, confirms my gut feeling on that comment.

[Pinelli]

Final post here, I bought an aftermarket extendable tyre lever from autopro - when shortened, its pretty much the same length as the LandRover original, and extended gives me just that extra bit of leverage, so I'm guessing I can extend it to remove wheels if need be, and shorten it to put them back on.

I went around and loosed the wheel nuts, and despite being reassured that this time they torqued them correctly, some of the buggers were still very tight. Got out the torque wrench myself and tightened them to 140Nm, as per the Hayes. Checked, and yep, can be removed by the short tyre level with some effort, but no jumping up and down required.

Of course, irony really kicked in when I noticed they'd helpfully placed a sticker on the inside of the windscreen stating that the wheel nuts needed to be retightened after 50km :p

Cheers all

[bell1975]

Of course, irony really kicked in when I noticed they'd helpfully placed a sticker on the inside of the windscreen stating that the wheel nuts needed to be retightened after 50km :p

Cheers all

I love a happy ending. I'm in a small town too. Pop'n only a few thousand and I've tried to source parts and get jobs done on my vehicles over the past few years but sometimes the 'keep-it-local' premium is just too much. Eg, 1 x 50 amp Anderson connector $22.95. I almost suggested that they change suppliers to some ebay merchant and they could cut their price in half and still be in front, but a polite "Thanks, I'll see if I can find the ones I've got at home that are lost in the shed somewhere..." sufficed (and I did find the little buggers too in the end).

Good on them for getting you sorted though. I'm guessing you'll have need to utilise their services again in the future and they'll remember you! And there might be someone double-checking the work being done this time around.

It reminds me of the windscreen I had replaced by my local windscreen/panel beating workshop (only one in town). The did such a superb job that I actually ended up with three new windscreens and a new headliner. (Amazing what a well worded letter to the owner of the business can do...) (And I'm 99% positive that they put a different rear vision mirror back on when they did the job too but it works just as well).