The 110 is gone, so what now?

[gitney]

Due to an unfortunate accident our 110 and the corolla that hit it have both been declared total losses. The good thing is that no one was hurt. The bad thing is that now I'm defender less and considering my options. ...
The 110 was the best vehicle I've ever had by far buuuut in the almost three years I've had it and 75000 ks I've had three rear diffs, new clutch, three egr valves, vacuum pump, two sets of swivel hub seals, numerous pinion seals and transfer box rear and front seals and numerous other small niggly problems.
I confess that yesterday I took a 76 series wagon for a spin and although its expensive, boring, emotionless and less capable off road than the defender it felt strong and solid. Have I fallen under the Toyota reliability marketing spin and is a 76 wagon going to have as many warranty items on the list as mentioned above or am I right in having reluctance in going in for round two with another 110??

[Drover]

Go find a Toymota forum, sniff about there for a while, you soon pick up the clues.

Then go get a new D'fer

[chook73]

Due to an unfortunate accident our 110 and the corolla that hit it have both been declared total losses. The good thing is that no one was hurt. The bad thing is that now I'm defender less and considering my options. ...
The 110 was the best vehicle I've ever had by far buuuut in the almost three years I've had it and 75000 ks I've had three rear diffs, new clutch, three egr valves, vacuum pump, two sets of swivel hub seals, numerous pinion seals and transfer box rear and front seals and numerous other small niggly problems.
I confess that yesterday I took a 76 series wagon for a spin and although its expensive, boring, emotionless and less capable off road than the defender it felt strong and solid. Have I fallen under the Toyota reliability marketing spin and is a 76 wagon going to have as many warranty items on the list as mentioned above or am I right in having reluctance in going in for round two with another 110??

Sorry to hear about your loss. But isn't it great you had all the faults all replaced by the manufacturer under warranty probably with no questions asked. As driver said good luck getting a fault with a Toyota or Nissan fixed so easily but I assure you the faults are just as many.

[newlandyowner]

Workmates 79s wagon is less economical than his maloo ute! He is wishing he got a late model D3 or early D4.

[gitney]

Sorry to hear about your loss. But isn't it great you had all the faults all replaced by the manufacturer under warranty probably with no questions asked. As driver said good luck getting a fault with a Toyota or Nissan fixed so easily but I assure you the faults are just as many.

Yeah you're right, The dealer has been great. I couldn't fault the service they've given me. And a plus is that I have driven almost the entire land rover range and all it's engine variants while I waited for mine to come back from the shop numerous times. I just find it strange that its acceptable that I'm on a first name basis with my service manager.

[Sue]

Yeah you're right, The dealer has been great. I couldn't fault the service they've given me. And a plus is that I have driven almost the entire land rover range and all it's engine variants while I waited for mine to come back from the shop numerous times. I just find it strange that its acceptable that I'm on a first name basis with my service manager.

Better than being ignored... like my father who bought a new Toyota LC and has nothing but grief trying to get the multiple problems fixed under warranty..

[Chops]

Yeah you're right, The dealer has been great. I couldn't fault the service they've given me. And a plus is that I have driven almost the entire land rover range and all it's engine variants while I waited for mine to come back from the shop numerous times. I just find it strange that its acceptable that I'm on a first name basis with my service manager.

I think by the sounds of it, unfortunately you've had a "lemon".
My late 2011 Puma has had few problems, and I'm sure the newer ones are probably even better.
I cant really comment on the new Toyo's etc, but I would think LR is still the benchmark for everything else.
When I bought my new Toyo a few years ago, within 5 months the diff went. On first inspection by the dealer, he laughed hard as he said I was going to be up for a few quid to fix it,,, :mad: the tables turned very quickly when I told him how old it was :D Me being me, was not afraid to use a new car for its intended purpose/build, thus he was looking at one very dirty car, and just figured it was out of warranty,, haha, didn't he have to suck eggs :twisted:

[manic]

Tough blow, hopefully the insurance company doesn't give you any grief.

This is a land rover forum... so yes get another 110! :D

Photo :rulez:... what does a 110 that's been written off by a corolla look like?

[weeds]

A mber I know on here has just over to Toyota.....from a TD5, happy as Larry

[goingbush]

After starting with Landrovers I had a 15 year stint of Toyotas, FJ45 BJ40 HDJ80R HZJ105R then back into my current Td5 110 .

the only Toyota that came close to being as economical as the Landy was the BJ50 but it was totally gutless, the 80 series had almost as much grunt as the 110 but used 2x the fuel.

none were close to the Landy in 4WD ability. , (but were reliable until the big bang)

That said if I lost the Landy I would not be looking to buy a new one, but would find another Td5 Wagon.

[chook73]

Photo :rulez:... what does a 110 that's been written off by a corolla look like?

More the point what's the corolla look like??????

[29dinosaur]

Due to an unfortunate accident our 110 and the corolla that hit it have both been declared total losses. The good thing is that no one was hurt. The bad thing is that now I'm defender less and considering my options. ...
The 110 was the best vehicle I've ever had by far buuuut in the almost three years I've had it and 75000 ks I've had three rear diffs, new clutch, three egr valves, vacuum pump, two sets of swivel hub seals, numerous pinion seals and transfer box rear and front seals and numerous other small niggly problems.
I confess that yesterday I took a 76 series wagon for a spin and although its expensive, boring, emotionless and less capable off road than the defender it felt strong and solid. Have I fallen under the Toyota reliability marketing spin and is a 76 wagon going to have as many warranty items on the list as mentioned above or am I right in having reluctance in going in for round two with another 110??

1. So what happened to write your truck off?
2. Yes reading your earlier posts I'd be reluctant to go down the same path again, but deep down you know you want to, just because you'd miss the forum...
3. At the end of the day it's your drive and no-one elses so be happy and keep waving at Defender drivers from your Toy(m)ota
(4. We'll see you when you have your new avatar).

[Didge]

Hang out till 2015, you buy the "all new Defender", test it and give the rest of us a report on whether its as good as they say it'll be. :D

[Nomad9]

Hi Gitney,
Depends if you want to be in the leading group or the following group............If you come onto a forum you usually find people with problems hence some people can get the wrong ideas about certain brands of vehicles.
Yeap my involvement with the Land Rover has had its trials and tribulations, so far I've never not come away with a way forward to resolve a problem, in some cases ways to stop it happening again, or in fact sometimes pointing me a to place to find a problem I never thought of looking.
The Corolla owner won't be going through the same "emotion" you are going through, more than likely already moved on and bought another "something else", and just happy to get away with their life. Imagine going onto a Tojo site and telling someone that you had lost your Corolla..............huh!!!

Get another one and remain part of everything that goes on here, if it goes out of warranty, get a workshop manual, some spanners and a big bank account, always works.............:)

[frantic]

In wagons you have the patrol tdi hand grenade, the toymota tdv8 oil slurper or playdough or you go a leaf sprung cart ,oops ute:D if you want to stay close in price.
I don't know if your dealer would do it but if you broke a diff/ axle would they pay you what they pay for LR supplied but you get them to fit Ashcroft?
They are still going to use the same labour regardless and you may save them doing the same job again.

[Yorkshire_Jon]

I keep going round this hyperthetical (for me) circle... I always come back to either another Defender or a Disco 4.

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[n plus one]

My mate just got his clutch replaced in his 76 LC. Bad gear change issues not resolved - new gearbox is next.

It's got less than 20k on it - just for context...

[Loubrey]

I have twice now this year been fetched by the tilt tray in brand new 2012/ 2013 Prados (mine spec rent-a-car...)

Very good for the temper to be sat next to the road in 40C with no aircon waiting for the tilt tray out of Port Hedland or Newman...:mad:

All brands/ marques has their lemons, but only one brand/ marque in Australia seem willing to repair those under warranty.

To put things into perspective though, every one of the 6 no 2012 Troopies that came off our last significant project had $2500 plus of "non-warranty covered" work to be done to them...

[gitney]

Hi all,

Its been a long time between posts but I this one was never finished.
After all that I made the decision and went and bought a 150 Prado GX manual diesel.
It's now got over 30k on the clock and going strong. As far as reliability is concerned which was my main problem with the 110 the Toyota has so far come to the party. I haven't been to the dealer once for anything. Never even met a service manager (I get it serviced elsewhere to dealer). It feels strong, and drivetrain is bliss after the defender. There are plenty of nightmare stories about the D4d injectors though but I haven't torn one pair of jeans getting out of the Prado so will start going towards paying for the 5k oil changes and new injectors after 100k, but time will tell on that one.. :)

It's no match for a 110 offroad by any means, especially stock.. But it has surprised me with it's capabilities.

So to sum it up, I'm still undecided if the massive ups and downs of owning the Defender outweigh the straight comfortable line the Toyota draws... If a Defender and a Prado are parked next to each other in the carpark, a part of me always wants to walk over to the 110 and get in it and leave the Prado in the carpark.. Is that wrong? Do I need to see someone about that? But if I take the emotion out of it on paper everything points towards the Toyota, and I do love that it gets everywhere we need to go effortlessly.

In a perfect world I wish I had a 110 with the build quality and drive train of the Toyota. But that's never going to happen..

So enjoy driving one of the best 4wd's ever, even if they sometimes decide to leave you stranded for a little while just to make you appreciate them even more the next time they start... If you see a white Prado driver waving at you please give him a wave. He doesn't get any back from the Toyota drivers out there. :)

[Doc130]

Depends what sort of driving u do, if you travel in a group get a Toyota coz there will be someone to pull you out! If you want to get to places by yourself or not have to rely on having a second truck just in case, than get a defender, cannot compare in off-road ability straight out of the box!!

[Nomad9]

Hi Gitney,
You are right on so many levels, since I wrote this post I am now back in a Land Rover. Yes I still have the Land Cruiser 100 series I bought, I have done a major service on it and replaced the timing belt, all so easy to do, not like the open heart surgery I had to perform on the TDV6 engine.
At the time I parted with the Deefer I was using a Holden Crewman to go to work yes it was comfortable and ***** it was quick. However after all it is a Holden Commodore, yes an Australian icon and for the service it gave to me it was great, never missed a beat.
I missed Land Rover so I sold the Crewman (eventually) and bought a P38a, I had pleasant memories of the P38, comfortable, quiet and reliable, my memories and maybe not the same for others. The P38 is now getting quite hard to maintain, parts are harder and yes they all seem to have air suspension problems, saying that I fitted a new valve block and overhauled the compressor and it was fine.
Six months down the track I have now sold the P38 and gone to a D3 4.0 petrol, all the creature comforts of a D3, air suspension and the get up and go of the 4.0 V6.
Steel pan conversion yesterday, transmission is now back to normal. Couple of trim bits replaced and things are now quite neat inside.
I think I'm going to stick with the D3 for a while now, I don't think I'll ever make it into a Prado, I'm glad it has worked out for you. The other bit you mention about the wave, and the camaraderie of the Land Rover marque, I doubt you will ever put a value on that. The car park scenario, like you I would have picked the Deefer.

[isuzurover]

I have done a few thousand km this year in rental 79 series and 100 series. I have posted before that I have been impressed by the motor - apart from the fuel consumption. If the dc ute had rear coils, a wider track, 6th gear, and a proper rear door without a fake wheel arch, I would have bought one.

[Doc130]

Take a stock cruiser to somewhere with decent 4wd tracks such as cruiser park( or similar) than take a stock defender up the same track and you will see in real life the difference, defenders were built for one reason, off-road driving which is why they run coils on all four corners unlike the rough riding leafs of the new toyotas. ( 80 series was toyotas best 4wd, coils on all four corners)

[AndyG]

So far my Defender has been faultless, still on the boat, gets to Oz in 4 days:)

The Company hilux is parked next to the washing machine, which is also white, but has more soul.

[voltron]

I like happy endings:D

[goingbush]

Take a stock cruiser to somewhere with decent 4wd tracks such as cruiser park( or similar) than take a stock defender up the same track and you will see in real life the difference, defenders were built for one reason, off-road driving which is why they run coils on all four corners unlike the rough riding leafs of the new toyotas. ( 80 series was toyotas best 4wd, coils on all four corners)

100 series and 200 series , Prado and FJ Cruiser all have coils on 4 corners.
tho the 80 Series FTE was by far the best cruiser made

Having owned 40 80 and 100 series cruisers, plus numerous Landrovers including a Hybrid double difflocked v8 90 and a Td5 110 Defender I can report that the Td5 Defender was the best off road by far, just a pity they are so dammed unreliable.

....... And I would not be bagging leaf springs either, my new truck has 4 x parabolic leaves , has better articulation than the 110 and exponentially superior to any of the aforementioned vehicles in any off road situation (unless there are low hanging branches)

[Doc130]

Should have been more specific in regard to " coils on all four corner", 80/100 series run a solid front end, however pretty sure prado and new 200series and fj cruiser are ifs front, which in my opinion are nowhere near as strong when put into extreme conditions compared to a solid front end setup.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Should have been more specific in regard to " coils on all four corner", 80/100 series run a solid front end, however pretty sure prado and new 200series and fj cruiser are ifs front, which in my opinion are nowhere near as strong when put into extreme conditions compared to a solid front end setup.

The new Prados are definitely IFS up front.

See: Toyota Prado specifications Kakadu Turbo Diesel (http://www.toyota.com.au/prado/specifications/kakadu-turbo-diesel)

As for the rear - does "adaptive rear pneumatic cylinders with three selectable suspension heights, three ride comfort levels" mean airbags and not coils, like a Discovery 4 has?

[Doc130]

To be honest a mate had a prado with pretty much everything done to it, I know it's an ifs setup up front due to how many times its broken (cv's mainly...)whilst we have been away, he just bought a new 110 defender, and couldn't be happier!!

[goingbush]

the poverty pack 100 series (actually designated 105) still had a live axle front end, it was basically an 80 series with a 100 body on it. That was the last live axle front (apart from the current 76 series wagon and troopies , which are live axles but as mentioned only coils on front)

Unlike the Disco4 The 200 series still has live axle rear suspension

but the 200 series fans argue that it has better off road capability than a Double difflocked live axle Landcruiser , the same as the LR4 owners will brag superior 4WD ability over a Defender

fairly compelling argument here, 200 series driver does not appear to know what he is doing but vehicle appears to perform better than double diff locked live axle 76 series, ........ anyway they are just whitegoods !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1_U5bCBHkY

Either way, whatever brand I'd hate to be such a dumbass that I needed a vehicle that did all the work for me, I'd rather be in control than some damn computer !

[Doc130]

The lifting of wheels as seen in that vid is why I say coils all round and live axles is better in tough conditions, that's why that 76 cruiser need diff locks coz they have no flex in the rear, while the 200 series can flex in the rear but still has ifs front, which in my opinion is their main downfall in regard to serious off-road work. So when talking about new 4wds, the defender is one of the last standing with coils and live axles, and not for much longer either!

[Doc130]

And I reckon disco owners know and respect what the defender is!!