Bolt and screws for SII

[SII Josh]

Hi all,

Does any one know if there is a list of bolt/screw sizes used on the SII?

If not, would it be a good idea to start a list where everyone can add bolt/screws sizes and where they go as a reference?

as i am starting to rebuild mine i could make a start on such a list, also i have a question about a certain bolt size :)

I have just ordered a Mixture Warning Light Switch from Four Wheel drives (Land Rover Parts and Accessories (http://www.landrovers.com.au)) part #PL144 on page 51 out of there catalogue #32,

Does any one know what size bolts go in the three holes (mine have become lost in transit between moving houses) ?

cheers for your time and help everyone

[SII Josh]

i have just found out the switch is also called an Otter switch as this is the name on it :)

[SII Josh]

or if you type - choke warning light switch series 2 land rover - in to google it comes up with a picture of it ( the triangle one)

cheers again and sorry if i am being a complete noob

[Ozdunc]

Can you post a picture of what you're talking about - the link just goes to a "New website coming" page

I think the problem with having a nuts and bolts list is that so many different sizes and standards were used over the years

Mine a 69 late 2a - and generally has UNF, with BA on the instruments and some of the finer bolts, but there's some Whitworth kicking around on the drivechain. Theres quite a bit of metric as bolts have been changed over the years as well.

I bought a bucket of UNF bolts from - Nuts and Bolts - Industrial Size Assortment Packs of Hi-Tensile Nuts & Bolts (http://www.bolts.com.au) which has covered most things I've needed, but some things I've just taken in to the local bolt factors and got them to match the threads

[Ozdunc]

Like this?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/1284.jpg

if so I'd suspect BA threading - but I'm not sure of the size, sorry.
I'll guess at 0, 1 or 2

[SII Josh]

That's the ones Ozdunc,

I thought that would be a problem to about having different bolts as times changed at the factory, I was more thinking a rough list that might say shock absorbers then their length and what thread they are. Nothing to technical just maybe something for people to get a good start at where to look.

Sorry about link, wasn't actually meant to be a link more to let you know where I had ordered the part

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Classic Fasteners in Welland South Oz CONTACT US (http://www.classicfasteners.com.au/contact-us/) is a good place to start for imperial bolts and nuts (Including BA). Important for the SII and S1 because most fasteners are either BA or BSF.

[B.S.F.]

They are 2 B.A. x 3/8". The same thread size as the ones used to fix the speedo cable at the gearbox end, however those are only 1/4" long. .W.

[gromit]

Probably best to buy a thread pitch gauge, that way you can check the threads and determine whether UNF or BSF (or W or UNC etc.)
https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/Q610

Most important where they thread into something (engine, axle etc.) if its a just bolt & nut then UNF is easily sourced (might upset the purists though.....).
Most bolt places will source BSF but they may want you to buy in bulk, they might struggle with HT bolts.

Thread pitches are here British Tools & Fasteners - BSF Thread Profile (http://www.britishfasteners.com/threads/bsf.html)

Not sure about the freight costs but I used to buy from these guys when I lived in the UK Namrick - The Nut & Bolt Store (http://www.namrick.co.uk/)


Colin

[SII Josh]

Just tried the speedo cable bolt like you said B.S.F Nut and its a perfect fit, just a little short but now i know the bolt size, also noticed i am missing a bolt where the speedo connects to the gear box so it was a good find.

[Bigbjorn]

Probably best to buy a thread pitch gauge, that way you can check the threads and determine whether UNF or BSF (or W or UNC etc.)
https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/Q610

Most important where they thread into something (engine, axle etc.) if its a just bolt & nut then UNF is easily sourced (might upset the purists though.....).
Most bolt places will source BSF but they may want you to buy in bulk, they might struggle with HT bolts.

Thread pitches are here British Tools & Fasteners - BSF Thread Profile (http://www.britishfasteners.com/threads/bsf.html)

Not sure about the freight costs but I used to buy from these guys when I lived in the UK Namrick - The Nut & Bolt Store (http://www.namrick.co.uk/)


Colin

Most people who work in bolt shops were not born when BSF & BSC (cycle thread) were last in common use. Often they will look at you blankly when asked. Bruce Gardner, B.S.F. Bolts, 0408 056 255, is the best source in Australia for BSW, BSF, BSC, BA nuts and bolts as well as currently used systems. He is also the best for BA taps and dies including the very rare left hand ones. (Better and cheaper than that un-named South Australian lot).

It has become very difficult, if not near impossible to source high grade hardware ( equivalent SAE grades 5 & 8) in British threads in recent years. You can nearly guarantee that anyone with stocks of these has very old stock. BSW socket head cap screws disappeared from the Unbrako catalogue at least 10 years ago.

My business, Brian's Retirement Sale, does not handle nuts and bolts, but my speciality is rare, obsolete, hard to find, and "no longer available" taps and dies. I have BSW, BSF, BSC, CEI Coarse, BSP, NP, UNC, UNF, UNEF, UNS, UN 24 pitch, Metric. My stock is intended for machine shop use so all taps and dies are in high speed steel, not cheap tools in carbon or chrome tungsten steels. I stock screw pitch gauges in BS, UN, Metric. If you wish, send me your e-mail address and I will send you thread charts.

[SII Josh]

Hi Brian,

I believe i fit into that category of not being born. I even have a blank face when looking at the bolts i pull out, hence why i am getting the details of the bolts/screws i pull out so i can learn.

e-mail is sujos1098@hotmail.com

just beware it may result in more questions :)

[Bigbjorn]

Hi Brian,

I believe i fit into that category of not being born. I even have a blank face when looking at the bolts i pull out, hence why i am getting the details of the bolts/screws i pull out so i can learn.

e-mail is sujos1098@hotmail.com

just beware it may result in more questions :)

Just tried to send the stuff. Either Yahoo doesn't like Hotmail or HM doesn't like Yahoo. Message rejected- part of the requested network is on our block list. Contact your ISP.

Got another e-mail address?

Brian

Edit- yahoo have replied. I will try again. B

[SII Josh]

Hi Brian,

I just checked and it came through. Cheers now to start reading up. I will PM you any questions or requests

[Bigbjorn]

Hi Brian,

I just checked and it came through. Cheers now to start reading up. I will PM you any questions or requests

Anyone else wants thread charts, send me your e-mail address.

Brian

[landrover dave]

Series 2's used mainly UNF on the body, BSF on the shackles and BSW on mechanicals! Be very careful of buying parts off Four Wheel Drives as their quality is very suspect. I would be giving Sean at RoverParts a call, OEM quality parts only.

[gromit]

Be very careful of buying parts off Four Wheel Drives as their quality is very suspect. I would be giving Sean at RoverParts a call, OEM quality parts only.

'OEM quality parts' doesn't really mean much.

I buy most of my parts from 4 Wheel drives and haven't had any issues.
They still have a lot of ex army parts from auctions years ago and a good stock of secondhand parts.
They supply Bearmach & *itpart like most other Land Rover suppliers so identical products (they even supply parts to other LR suppliers). Some rubber items don't last but you can buy exactly the same parts from others.

I do have the luxury of being able to visit so I can check the quality before purchase.
My only connection with them is as a satisfied customer.



Colin

[gromit]

Most people who work in bolt shops were not born when BSF & BSC (cycle thread) were last in common use. Often they will look at you blankly when asked. Bruce Gardner, B.S.F. Bolts, 0408 056 255, is the best source in Australia for BSW, BSF, BSC, BA nuts and bolts as well as currently used systems. He is also the best for BA taps and dies including the very rare left hand ones. (Better and cheaper than that un-named South Australian lot).


A young fella at my local bolt shop gave me a list of BSF bolts and also cap heads, as mentioned the only problem was they didn't want to hold stock so you needed to buy the boxed quantity.
Namrick carry BSCy nuts but the cost of shipping nuts & bolts may be prohibitive.
These guys used to carry a good range of taps & dies including BSCy, BA (no LH) TAPS AND DIES (http://www.tracytools.com/taps-and-dies)

Getting harder to get this sort of stuff, one of my next projects is to set up a zinc plating bath to renovate bolts & nuts. A colleague has done it at minimal cost and is getting excellent results.


Colin

[Bigbjorn]

A young fella at my local bolt shop gave me a list of BSF bolts and also cap heads, as mentioned the only problem was they didn't want to hold stock so you needed to buy the boxed quantity.
Namrick carry BSCy nuts but the cost of shipping nuts & bolts may be prohibitive.
These guys used to carry a good range of taps & dies including BSCy, BA (no LH) TAPS AND DIES (http://www.tracytools.com/taps-and-dies)

Getting harder to get this sort of stuff, one of my next projects is to set up a zinc plating bath to renovate bolts & nuts. A colleague has done it at minimal cost and is getting excellent results.


Colin

Box lots of 100-500 from an industrial supplier are often cheaper than a bubble pack of 6 or 10 from a retail shop. You can sell the surplus at swap meets or welfare cheat (flea) markets.

[chazza]

Series 2's used mainly ... BSW on mechanicals!
BSW on the female threads in the castings but BSF on the fasteners; such as nuts and the exposed ends of studs,

Cheers Charlie

[Cobber]

Most important where they thread into something (engine, axle etc.) if its a just bolt & nut then UNF is easily sourced (might upset the purists though.....).Correct, I've found it difficult to get the originals for the 2a, but I figured early on that if I get the UNF equivalent (or very close) for everything, at least if they need replacing later it shouldn't be too difficult. :BigThumb: You would have to be a true Landy die-hard to notice the difference in most cases ;)
Purists, relax, I've retained the originals! :p


Most bolt places will source BSF but they may want you to buy in bulk, they might struggle with HT bolts.I found the same thing ... if I'm willing to buy a box of 500/1000 - depending on what it is - it's all good. I just don't need that many! I must say, the local bolt supply shop has been excellent at supplying UNF equivalents though. Some need trimming down (length-wise) but so far it's all worked out well :BigThumb:

[Bigbjorn]

Some advice for those unfamiliar with thread systems and fasteners. Do not mix fasteners with differing thread angles. People will tell you that Whitworth and UNC are "the same". They are not. Whitworth form threads have a 55 degree angle whilst Unified form is 60 degree. Whilst BSW and UNC will screw together with the exception of 1/2", this is not good practice. Mismatched thread angles cause crushing of the crests of the threads and have self-loosening characteristics. Nor will they maintain set torque.
Angles are:- BS series 55 degrees
UN series 60 degrees
Metric (all sorts) 60 degrees
BA 47.5 degrees

[dick180641]

Attn Brian at "Brians Retirement Sale"
Brian, can you supply a 'Starting Tap' and a 'Bottoming Tap 14mm x 1.75p
I have stripped a thread on the VM head (holds rocker gear), I have a "Helicoil" of the correct dimensions but URGENTLY need the tap(s) to put it in.
I'm Dick Randolph, P.O. Box 515, Cooktown, Qld 4895, I've met you at your place a couple of times (mainly getting BCT taps).
Can you please contact me by email "elswhere@darucreek.com"

[Bigbjorn]

Attn Brian at "Brians Retirement Sale"
Brian, can you supply a 'Starting Tap' and a 'Bottoming Tap 14mm x 1.75p
I have stripped a thread on the VM head (holds rocker gear), I have a "Helicoil" of the correct dimensions but URGENTLY need the tap(s) to put it in.
I'm Dick Randolph, P.O. Box 515, Cooktown, Qld 4895, I've met you at your place a couple of times (mainly getting BCT taps).
Can you please contact me by email "elswhere@darucreek.com"

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