How Good is the 2.7 V6 Diesel?

[geodon]

Mother has decreed that she MUST have a bigger car. I'm stuffed if I know why as we are Empty Nesters.

I can't afford a new Disco (without selling some of the Motoring Crown Jewels) and we don't need 4WD anyway so like a true blue Geelong lad, I'm looking at a Ford Territory 2WD. The cheapest ones have the bullet-proof 4.0 Falcon motor but which on this model is a notorious fuel guzzler. I think it's about 5-6km per litre at best. LPG conversion to a non-backfiring injection system is $4,200 but the spare wheel then goes in the luggage compartment.That's a big maternal no-no, however. Pity! Most LPG Falcon taxis clock up about a million km without much drama.

Soooooooo, I looked at the diesel option & got very excited when I saw it's the same as what's powering Land Rovers!

It's been doing that since 2005, I think, and that should be enough time to expose any weaknesses.

OK! Hit me with your songs of praise or tales of anguish.

If it's HALF as good as the 4 cylinder ones have been, That may be good enough.

[jonesy63]

My brother has a RWD Titanium model Territory with the 2.7L TDV6. I drove it from Sydney down to Lakes Entrance (Victoria) and back last year. The Ford being heaps lighter, it goes really well. Excellent fuel economy too - about 7L/100km if I recall. The six speed in them is a variant of the ZF gearbox from the D3 as well.

I've had a D3 2.7 and now 2.7 D4... nothing wrong with the motors. There were injection problems on the D3, but that was a teething problem with the first Euro IV motors, which has been sorted.

If only Ford Australia bought that motor to the market earlier... :angel:

[AnD3rew]

You won't be unhappy, it is a lovely motor, lots of torque, lots of get up and go, quite economical and pretty quiet.

[theresanothersteve]

Love the motor. In a D3 its not embarrassed in traffic, sings on the open road with enough left to overtake smartly. If they had put it in the Falcon (if it fits a Territory it must fit the 'coon) I probably would've bought one...

[rb30gtr]

Love the motor. In a D3 its not embarrassed in traffic, sings on the open road with enough left to overtake smartly. If they had put it in the Falcon (if it fits a Territory it must fit the 'coon) I probably would've bought one...

Couldn't agree more, if the 2.7tdv6 was in the FG I would have bought one myself.

That or a powerstroke version...

I almost bought a Territory with the 2.7 tdv6, and ended up getting an 07 D3 HSE for 20 grand less.

[DoubleChevron]

That's the PSA(Citroen/poogoe)/Ford diesel. The version used in the territory is the ancient single turbo lowest powered one. It's been used for years in the Citroen C6/C5, Jaguars, Land Rover and poogoes. I'm not aware of any issues with it (not that a lot were sold in Australia fitted too Citroens... that I'm more familiar with than fords).

My parents purchased new a AWD deisel territory... AWD 'cos two wheel drive is useless as tits on a bull for towing (they previously had a 2wd 3litre turbo diesel twin cab ute thing..... Damn useless bloody thing constantly got bogged, even on a wet bit of grass. I had to tow it back to my driveway using my poor old Citroen CX several times 'cos even with a slippery diff under it ... a bit of wet grass would bog it... the Citroen CX being a decent FWD car doesn't get bogged like the RWD junk... Even without a limited slip diff it'll drag a uselessly bogged 3ton 2wd and itself back onto the drive without slipping a wheel). Anyway they reckon the territory is great. I doubt you'll notice the lack of power compared to the petrol engine. The only "oddity" they have found is the trannie will start mostly in 2nd gear. So if you punch it hard off the line ... .there's a delay (seems big when your in a hurry to pull out). This is the transmission changing back to 1st as it senses your in a hurry before it moves off. This can be avoided by putting the transmission into power mode. Especially useful for when your towing.

Modern diesels are nothing like the old clunkers from years back. My wife has a poogoe 407 with a weeny little 2litre diesel in it, dragging a car that weighs in at over 1.7tons ( :eek: ). Other than being quite laggy, the bloody thing goes extremelly well (combined with a 6spd manual gearbox) while sipping 6.xxL/100km

EDIT: Wow .... Do you really have a Big 6 ..... drrooooollll..... Is it a "H" ?

seeya,
Shane L.

[geodon]

I've no doubts the thing will perform well.

It's the longevity that concerns me.

I've had 2 diesels to date:

1. a late 80's Pajero that cracked a head every year for 3 years- once in warranty then twice out. Then the turbo crapped itself so I put it down.

2. A Jackaroo (Isuzu) that could NOT be stopped from leaking fuel into the oil via the injectors. On a common rail engine that means a misfire & it started @ 80K and progressively got worse. I lost count of the no. of times Mother staggered into a carpark (usually Maccas) Then I raced out changed the oil & off it went. Until the next time. I got down to oil changes every 2-3000km & decided that was that; it had to go.

With that history, I'm beginning to believe that the Japanese have not mastered the art of making smaller diesels. Big trucks, maybe but cars, no.

Toyota is not immune. Just Google D4 diesel and look at the hundreds of reports of a loud knocking noise from that motor that powers HiLuxes etc.

OTOH, Europeans seem to make diesels that go forever, eg Golfs and those legendary 240D Mercedes.

Is the 2.7 TDV6 inn that category??

[discojools]

geodon,
I think you mean D4D diesel..That's the one in the Hilux..And yes a mate of mine has a Prado that had just reached 200k only for the engine to crap itself. $15000 to fix..
Interesting to see how many 2.7 Discos have passed that amount of ks.

Jools

[Rich84]

Plenty on here with over 200k.

Mine has 191k and feels like a new car. Engine is fantastic, love it, no regrets.

[geodon]

Don't know what's a "H".

It's a '49 with the 3 spoke steering wheel

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[DoubleChevron]

Don't know what's a "H".

It's a '49 with the 2 spoke steering wheel

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Wow !!! That car is fabulous.... My old man has a small body Legere ... We have it's gearbox in bits at the moment though :( I'd kill to own a lovely car like yours. I can't see me ever having the money to buy one though.... don't worry though, I have plenty of old cars too tinker with :D :cool: Maybe when the kids grow up and leave home :twisted:

A Big 6H ... is the first use of the hydraulic suspension. The rear of the car uses hydraulics like the later DS/ID series of cars.

Another traction resto (http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/citro%EBn-forum/87656-another-traction-resto.html)

Here's one here. Sorry I didn't mean to take your thread off topic. I was a bit stunned to see someone had a Big 6. If your ever up ballarat way yell out. I have a fair old junk collection here.

On the road:
'63 ID19s x 2
'85 CX 2500 GTi Turbo
'85 Range Rover classic

My old man has a '75 DS23ie, '52 Traction Avant and 2cv.

My father will be home in a couple of weeks if you want to chat to him about his Territory diesel too. he off towing a big twin axle van over Australia with it at the moment.

seeya,
Shane L.

[JamesH]

Nice thread. I love CX Citroens, beautiful cars.

Why didn't Ford put that diesel into the Territory from day one? I hired a Territory once and drove from Brisbane to Longreach and back. It was a great car but way too thirsty.

[DoubleChevron]

Nice thread. I love CX Citroens, beautiful cars.

Why didn't Ford put that diesel into the Territory from day one? I hired a Territory once and drove from Brisbane to Longreach and back. It was a great car but way too thirsty.

Cost ... Plus it's only in recent times Aussies have finally got over there "it's gotta be a V8 or it's gutless crap" type attitude.

Interestingly there was a caravan magazine that did a write up on towing with the territory diesel when they were released ... and the engine spun a bearing (or something horrible I forget now). I'd say it was a manufacturing flaw in that one engine. Ford must have ***** themselves, no doubt they sent the engine back to the factory to be pulled down and checked, 'cos those things dying was pretty much unheard of. Those motors have been hammered in Land Rovers, Jags and Poogoes/citroens since '05 ( any issues will show up well and trully in 8years!).

I've been driving Citroen CX's since I was 16years old. Yep, the heat stroke cause by driving them must cause brain damage IMO.... How else can I explain having a yard full of them :cool:

I know plenty about CX's.... The only thing I know about Big 6's is I'd never pick a fight with anyone that drives one. They'd have the chest and arm muscles of Arnie in his prime :lol2: :Rolling: :wasntme: (yes I admit it, I'm just jealous). Man that Massive 6 cylinder swinging over the front axle looks heavy in them :)

seeya,
Shane L.

[Tote]

Ford Aus were trying to put the diesel in the Territory for about 4 years before seppo management would let them.
I have 235,000 km on my D3 with no problems whatsoever. The only caution on the diesel is that if you only drive it to the shops on Sunday expect issues with the EGR system. It needs to be doing a few Km in a single stint.

Regards,
Tote

[geodon]

Tote pls pardon my ignorance!

The acronym EGR is foreign to me.

Re heavy steering on Big 6's: Yes! I've bulked up so much I have trouble doing up shoelaces.

[rick130]

EGR= Exhaust Gas Recirculation, part of the emission's system.

A small % of exhaust gas is recirculated back through the intake to reduce NOx levels in the exhaust.

The increased soot loading may give problems with only short trips.

[Graeme]

Interestingly there was a caravan magazine that did a write up on towing with the territory diesel when they were released ... and the engine spun a bearing (or something horrible I forget now). I'd say it was a manufacturing flaw in that one engine. Ford must have ***** themselves, no doubt they sent the engine back to the factory to be pulled down and checked, 'cos those things dying was pretty much unheard of. Those motors have been hammered in Land Rovers, Jags and Poogoes/citroens since '05 ( any issues will show up well and trully in 8years!).The 2.7 spinning bearing shells has fortunately for owners been a low incidence occurance that has also occurred in the 3.0. LR have warned that using wrong oil can lead to this but one wonders if that's really the cause because the shells don't have a tab to stop them from spinning.

[vbrab]

Have a 2007 2.7 with 270k on it, 95% long distance touring at speed, has never towed, still runs and sounds like Swiss watch.
New turbo at 170k, fuel heater on top of motor started leaking at 230k, knowageable/honest repairers can change that without taking body off car. (couple of hours labour against <15 hours
Rear main now showing small leak, so by Christmas will send to workshop to have body lifted off to replace that, torque convertor humming merrily at times, so might have to do that as well same time.
Have heard unhappy comments on D4 3 litre problems and wonder why there are more "pre owned" D4's for sale than D3's.

[Graeme]

Have heard unhappy comments on D4 3 litre problems and wonder why there are more "pre owned" D4's for sale than D3's.D4s have been out for 3+ years so vehicles from owners not wanting a vehicle out of warranty are becoming available. D3s are well out of warranty so those original owners who replace quickly have already done so.

The 3.0 secondary turbo oil problem has taken quite a while to be resolved. Indeed I have just ordered the updated oil drain parts to fit myself to my 3yo+ vehicle that's out of warranty. It was not fixed by LR earlier mostly because the fix only became standard around the end of mine's warranty and its cheaper for me to buy and fit than travel to the dealer even if LR agreed to fix it now.

[hibees1972]

The 2.7 spinning bearing shells has fortunately for owners been a low incidence occurance that has also occurred in the 3.0. LR have warned that using wrong oil can lead to this but one wonders if that's really the cause because the shells don't have a tab to stop them from spinning.

Yep. Just had engine replaced by Landrover (goodwill warranty claim) resulting from big end bearing failure. RRS 3.0L with 39k on the clock and just over 3 years old. No questions asked just replaced engine....I was expecting some sort of push back...car had been serviced by Landrover dealers from new and at correct intervals, so I guess there wasn't much they could push back on.

Dealer was fantastic and had car back on road within a few days of new engine arriving.

Cheers,
Mike