Discovery 5

[MrLandy]

You're all missing my point. I'm not saying Land Rover shouldn't build new, safer, more efficient vehicles. I'm saying that their market focus has changed entirely.

In another thread I've also said they should have redesigned Defender a decade ago, for the reasons you all give above! But that they should keep the same shape and practical focus as its reason for being. However I'm even more disheartened now to see D5 watered down. As s barometer for Land Rovers priorities, I would have thought it was letting you guys down too. ...I now hold no hope for a genuine new (safe and practical) Defender design.

...looking forward to the first D5 threads about tyre sizes and how all the roads up north are too corrugated!

[SBD4]

You're all missing my point. I'm not saying Land Rover shouldn't build new, safer, more efficient vehicles. I'm saying that their market focus has changed entirely.

In another thread I've also said they should have redesigned Defender a decade ago, for the reasons you all give above! But that they should keep the same shape and practical focus as its reason for being. However I'm even more disheartened now to see D5 watered down. As s barometer for Land Rovers priorities, I would have thought it was letting you guys down too. ...I now hold no hope for a genuine new (safe and practical) Defender design.

...looking forward to the first D5 threads about tyre sizes and how all the roads up north are too corrugated!

So why are you constantly rubbishing the Discovery vehicles and endlessly attaching negative connotations to the imminent D5? We get your view, do we ever, that the direction Land Rover seems to be taking is not to your liking but your incessant snipes here are being made to the wrong people, go and sign up to Twitter or facebook and make your views clear to Land Rover themselves. In the meantime have some patience, wait and see what they do with the next defender. I think you will find it to be worthy of the Defender name. Land Rover are very aware of their heritage, why do you think all these "soccer mum SUVs" are so capable?

[DI5CO]

I think (hope!) the new Defender will be great. After the back lash they received for the horrible DC100, they will build a great 4x4. I think this is why we haven't seen it yet due to them going back to the drawing board[emoji122]
No use presuming what they will build before it's built.
As they said, Rangie family for luxury, Disco family for families, Defender for true 4x4ing. (Not that you can't do that anyway in the others[emoji14])

[Babs]

MrLandy, I don't think Land Rover have changed their direction, on the contrary I think they have known where they are going all along.

And you're assuming that the Discovery 5 is watered down based on what it looks like, don't you know you should never judge a book by its cover ❓

People said that about the D3/4 and it has turned out to be the most capable SUV in the world.

Just because they changed the shape doesn't reflect its capabilities or its practicality.

I like the new shape it will be better once we get past all the Camo and see them for what they are.

You on the other hand could also be right with your comments but they are way too premature and too frequent. It becomes tired after a while and it's not just an opinion anymore when you go on without the facts.

Ultimately these vehicles are designed for practicality D3,4,5 they are designed to do everything well, the Defender only does one thing well and that's off road, so unless your Alby Mangles, Les Hidden, Mike or Mal then they're really not all that practical are they.

The more I drive my Discovery it makes me think if I go ahead and build my Defender that I want to get and go the LS3 conversion, will I ever drive it enough? I don't think so. It will just be a money pit toy. So if I do buy one I think it will be just a collectors type vehicle when I'm bored I'll go up to the local shops and buy a meat pie in it, that's it.

I often have these wonderful thoughts of having a knitted out Defender taking my boys and go drive Cape York etc. having a real adventure, you know the iconic Defender etc.

But then reality hits, if I have a Discovery and a Defender in the driveway for this iconic trip I think the Defender will loose. Many variables bring me to that conclusion and I probably speak for others, if I was single I probably would have just stuck with the Defender and not known any better and even would probably chuff at those disco drivers but that ship has sailed for me and many others.

Our decision on what we want in a off road vehicle is not based on what we want but what we want for our families, our business, our lifestyles.

So you see MrLandy this is why Land Rover make the decision they make, there is no more Bush Tucker man, Mike and Mal or Alby these days it's Bear Grills and all those Yankee YouTube survivalist.

What's better an old iconic Mustang or the new Mustang ha ha ha you can stick the dinosaur up ya you know what, I'll take the one with more power more safety and better handling. Same goes with what we are talking about. Yes the old Mustang is iconic and it was a legend in its days but those days are gone.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[carlschmid2002]

MrLandy, I don't think Land Rover have changed their direction, on the contrary I think they have known where they are going all along.

And you're assuming that the Discovery 5 is watered down based on what it looks like, don't you know you should never judge a book by its cover ❓

People said that about the D3/4 and it has turned out to be the most capable SUV in the world.

Just because they changed the shape doesn't reflect its capabilities or its practicality.

I like the new shape it will be better once we get past all the Camo and see them for what they are.

You on the other hand could also be right with your comments but they are way too premature and too frequent. It becomes tired after a while and it's not just an opinion anymore when you go on without the facts.

Ultimately these vehicles are designed for practicality D3,4,5 they are designed to do everything well, the Defender only does one thing well and that's off road, so unless your Alby Mangles, Les Hidden, Mike or Mal then they're really not all that practical are they.

The more I drive my Discovery it makes me think if I go ahead and build my Defender that I want to get and go the LS3 conversion, will I ever drive it enough? I don't think so. It will just be a money pit toy. So if I do buy one I think it will be just a collectors type vehicle when I'm bored I'll go up to the local shops and buy a meat pie in it, that's it.

I often have these wonderful thoughts of having a knitted out Defender taking my boys and go drive Cape York etc. having a real adventure, you know the iconic Defender etc.

But then reality hits, if I have a Discovery and a Defender in the driveway for this iconic trip I think the Defender will loose. Many variables bring me to that conclusion and I probably speak for others, if I was single I probably would have just stuck with the Defender and not known any better and even would probably chuff at those disco drivers but that ship has sailed for me and many others.

Our decision on what we want in a off road vehicle is not based on what we want but what we want for our families, our business, our lifestyles.

So you see MrLandy this is why Land Rover make the decision they make, there is no more Bush Tucker man, Mike and Mal or Alby these days it's Bear Grills and all those Yankee YouTube survivalist.

What's better an old iconic Mustang or the new Mustang ha ha ha you can stick the dinosaur up ya you know what, I'll take the one with more power more safety and better handling. Same goes with what we are talking about. Yes the old Mustang is iconic and it was a legend in its days but those days are gone.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

Very well said. Defenders make even less sense when you can buy a good used D4 with all the bells and whistles for less.

[Graeme]

..looking forward to the first D5 threads about tyre sizes and how all the roads up north are too corrugated!I expect it will be shod with 31" tyres just like the current RR & RRS so 275/55R20 will be the popular slightly oversize choice as there are quite a few different brands/treads/load ratings in this size already fitted to L494s.

[Andrew86]

Ultimately these vehicles are designed for practicality D3,4,5 they are designed to do everything well, the Defender only does one thing well and that's off road

Just because you had two failed marriages with Defenders doesn't mean the rest of us aren't enjoying happy, loving relationships with ours ;)

Getting back to Discovery - I'm curious. The D5 has shed the tough Discovery look in favour of the homogenised corporate design and appears to have become more fashionable, comfortable and luxurious. Assuming it's priced similarly or a little higher than the outgoing model, what would the main reasons be for someone buying a D5 over an RRS?

Their dimensions will be very similar, both are immensely capable off-road, they share styling cues, both can carry seven passengers...Why not buy the Rangie? :confused:

[catch-22]

Good point A86, however, I think the question should be asked the other way with the RRS most certainly being the more expensive of the models if the current D4 pricing is anything to go by.

[scarry]

And the new Discovery will definitely be larger than the RRS.

[Babs]

Just because you had two failed marriages with Defenders doesn't mean the rest of us aren't enjoying happy, loving relationships with ours ;)





Their dimensions will be very similar, both are immensely capable off-road, they share styling cues, both can carry seven passengers...Why not buy the Rangie? :confused:

My two failed marriages were because I found out the Grass IS Greener on the other side ;)

And I'm confused now since when does the RR Carry 7 :o is there two extra seats I don't know about ❓

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[MrLandy]

I can't tell the difference between any new land rover model.
...Kind of like there's no real difference between all the generic dualcab utes. ...Bring on the new Defender dualcab ute version of the Disco/Sport/RangeRover/Sport I suppose ...woot!

My opinion is clearly different to many. That's cool. It's nothing personal. I'm not trying to convince you guys of anything. I just think the new Land Rover design direction is boring.

Enjoy the D5 fellas.

[Babs]

I can't tell the difference between any new land rover model. ...Kind of like there's no real difference between all the generic dualcab utes. ...Bring on the new Defender dualcab ute version of the Disco/Sport/RangeRover/Sport I suppose ...woot! My opinion is clearly different to many. That's cool. I'm not trying to convince you guys of anything. I just think the new Land Rover design direction is boring. Enjoy the D5 fellas.

Defender dual cab ute, now you're starting to talk sense MrLandy :D

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[Tombie]

Thou does protest too much...For someone with a claimed lack of interest your voyeurism indicates otherwise... [emoji56]

Perhaps you need to.....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/436.jpg

Many out there can't tell a Defender from a Jeep, Certainly can't identify a S1 from a County.. wouldn't know a S3 from a Puma...

But they can all point out a Range Rover....

[Andrew86]

Good point A86, however, I think the question should be asked the other way with the RRS most certainly being the more expensive of the models if the current D4 pricing is anything to go by.

I doubt anyone will get change from $80k for a base Discovery, so I'm not sure the difference in price would be enough to put the RRS out of the picture completely. I'm just trying to figure out what the differentiating factor is - now that the lines between Disco and RR are blurring.


My two failed marriages were because I found out the Grass IS Greener on the other side ;)

Whatever you need to tell yourself to help you move on. Breakups are tough :p


And I'm confused now since when does the RR Carry 7 :o is there two extra seats I don't know about ❓


Third row seating is optional.

[scarry]

I'm just trying to figure out what the differentiating factor is - now that the lines between Disco and RR are blurring.




Once you see the vehicle all will be revealed.

As I have said,vehicle size to start with,the rest you will have to wait and see.

The Disco always has been,and always will be,quite a bit larger than a RRS.


One thing though,they are saying it won't be for sale here until late first quarter next year.

[Babs]

I doubt anyone will get change from $80k for a base Discovery, so I'm not sure the difference in price would be enough to put the RRS out of the picture completely. I'm just trying to figure out what the differentiating factor is - now that the lines between Disco and RR are blurring. Whatever you need to tell yourself to help you move on. Breakups are tough :p Third row seating is optional.

Ha ha ha :) to the divorce :)

I wasn't aware that third row seating was available, there you go, you learn something new everyday :D.

In saying that, a third row in a RR would not be practical at all, there is barely space without seats in the cargo area :o

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[Andrew86]

As I have said,vehicle size to start with,the rest you will have to wait and see.

The Disco always has been,and always will be,quite a bit larger than a RRS

The RRS is both longer and wider than a D4 (albeit by small margins) and has a longer wheelbase and track as well. The D4 has more space inside due to its additional height and boxy design, but that shape has been abandoned for a sleeker profile as we can clearly see from the images released so far. I can't see it being much different at all from the RRS in terms of practicality and size, hence my question.

If price is the main differentiating factor, maybe we'll see Land Rover adopt a more aggressive strategy to really move units and compete with the likes of the Prado?

All will be revealed, I guess :)

[scarry]

The RRS is both longer and wider than a D4 (albeit by small margins) and has a longer wheelbase and track as well. The D4 has more space inside due to its additional height and boxy design, but that shape has been abandoned for a sleeker profile as we can clearly see from the images released so far. I can't see it being much different at all from the RRS in terms of practicality and size, hence my question.

If price is the main differentiating factor, maybe we'll see Land Rover adopt a more aggressive strategy to really move units and compete with the likes of the Prado?

All will be revealed, I guess :)

Hmm,similar dimensions latest model,model before was slightly smaller.

I should have said internal size,particularly in the rear.

One of the reasons we did not buy a Sport,we looked thoroughly at both vehicles.

The discovery is more a large family touring wagon than the Sport.

The reports are the D5 is larger than the D4.

If you have a good look at the side view,of a D5,you will notice it is more boxy at the rear, than a current model sport.The rear glass is more vertical.

There is a good side view in one of the vids on the JLR Aus site.

[scarry]

Someone sent my this pic today of a soccer mums wagon:angel:

I thought MrLandy may enjoy it:p:D

:wasntme:



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/296.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/15226962)

[Graeme]

I think they should have raised it to help keep mud out of the radiator.:D

[MrLandy]

Someone sent my this pic today of a soccer mums wagon:angel:

I thought MrLandy may enjoy it:p:D

:wasntme:



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/296.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/15226962)

He he, thanks Scarry 😊 ...cane toad in its element! I don't think she'll try that again after having to clean the carpets! 😇

[scarry]

Book them in for a day with Gordon of GOE,Graeme?:D

[Grentarc]

He he, thanks Scarry 😊 ...cane toad in its element! I don't think she'll try that again after having to clean the carpets! 😇
It's a discovery, not a defender - water and mud stay on the outside when you drive through :D

[MrLandy]

It's a discovery, not a defender - water and mud stay on the outside when you drive through :D

What's the point in going there if you don't even get out of the car? 😜

[Tombie]

You do. Once you get through the water. [emoji6]

Are you saying you get stuck in the mud holes? [emoji12]

[MrLandy]

...I can't wait for the Land Rover Discovery video game 😳:wasntme:

[catch-22]

I found this quite informative..

Click_the_link (https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/land-rover-discovery-5-price-specs-and-release-date-0598-2487)

The picture of the concept, actual, and current really makes the current look dated as has already been stated

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm sorry but,,
with a snout like that
no wonder it moves water--

and before you all yell,
compare this D5 (bonnet height) to the old D4 --

dont go back to the D2!!! you will wonder what huge engine is under the new bonnet! :p:D
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/296.jpg

[catch-22]

Three days to go [emoji3]

[Andrew86]

Three days to go [emoji3]

Really looking forward to seeing all the fruit that must be inside :D

[ozscott]

Lots of fruit

[catch-22]

Tick. Tick. Tick...

[SimmAus]

Just hope that some decent information is released....I've also been counting down!!!!

[shamirj]

just returned from trip to LR solihull where the drivers/trainers for the jungle track were saying how sad they were to see the end of the D4, share and express our concerns to LR about going over to softer LR's, they all apparently prefer the D4 when it comes to driving around their jungle track, and the secrecy of the D5 was another joke as the company managers onsite were all driving the latest D5 without camouflage. it does look like the image above. apparently the evoque can drive the jungle track but has restrictions.

[catch-22]

Anyone got a link to a stream of the event?

[SBD4]

Apparently they are streaming it on their youtube channel:

https://twitter.com/LandRover/status/781051634231181312

http://www.youtube.com/user/landrover (https://www.youtube.com/user/landrover)

It will be tomorrow morning for us.

[catch-22]

Ah cheers.

[catch-22]

Watching it live now [emoji3]

[catch-22]

What an absolute waste. Thanks for nothing LR. Lame. Lame. Lame.

First and last time I watch a launch. No decent showing of the car at all and not a single stat or figure.

[catch-22]

https://youtu.be/jp21kO6V6Gw

[catch-22]

https://youtu.be/ThdVKTHgVHg

Doesn't look like a split tailgate. Booooooo

[Andrew86]

More details now live on the Land Rover website.

All-New Discovery Off-Road SUV - Land Rover? Australia (http://www.landrover.com.au/vehicles/all-new-discovery/index.html)

The interior looks plush, but those high gloss piano black horizontal surfaces between the driver and passenger will be a dust, scratch and fingerprint magnet. Other than that though, I like the inside a lot. Storage capacity is down 55 litres with the third row seats folded, but that's only a 5% loss.

Exterior wise, I'm not really a fan. There's something about the back end that doesn't quite look right. The proportions are strange. Anyway, it'll sell like hotcakes regardless.

Interestingly, the pricing on the Canadian Land Rover site has the D5 starting at CA$61,500 (SE 3.0L V6 Supercharged) which is nearly CA$4k less than the cheapest outgoing D4. It's good to see prices heading in the right direction. Hopefully we see similar shifts in Australian RRPs.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Good to see another MUX/explorer/etc etc on the market,,
2018 Land Rover Discovery softens its style, loses some weight - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/28/2018-land-rover-discovery-paris-motor-show-official/)

[Grentarc]

https://youtu.be/ThdVKTHgVHg

Doesn't look like a split tailgate. Booooooo
Not a split tailgate, the panel I noticed earlier is a fold down "floor extension" it seems that hangs over the bumper - I wonder what it's weight rating is?

[scarry]

Fuel tank has shrunk,sure fuel economy will be better,but towing..........

Coiler is back but maybe not for Aus.

Waterproof key,great

19"rims by the look.

Not all models to have Low range

And the split tailgate,seems that is an item many liked on the older model,but some sort of shelf is provided.....

[scarry]

Not a split tailgate, the panel I noticed earlier is a fold down "floor extension" it seems that hangs over the bumper - I wonder what it's weight rating is?

660 lbs or thereabouts

Just wondering how it works with a vehicle loaded with gear?

[Andrew86]

Not a split tailgate, the panel I noticed earlier is a fold down "floor extension" it seems that hangs over the bumper - I wonder what it's weight rating is?

In place is a top-hinged tailgate with an aluminum picnicking/standing/seating plate, which folds out of the floor and can support up to 661 pounds.

As per the article linked :)

[Grentarc]

In place is a top-hinged tailgate with an aluminum picnicking/standing/seating plate, which folds out of the floor and can support up to 661 pounds.

As per the article linked :)
Reading an article is too much effort, speculation is so much easier!

[ozscott]

I like that article Pedro. LR says people won't stand big panel gaps anymore. Well...i do. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and form follows function in the 4wd world... Well it did until now.

Cheers

[catch-22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br7ZJ1xW4SI

[catch-22]

I reckon they're on an absolute winner with this one. Not only does it make the competition look dated, it changes the shape enough for all those who aren't familiar with the brand to seriously consider them.

[Babs]

Well the video said its the most capable Discovery ever❗️that settles that then :D

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[TerryO]

It has some great gizmo's but it's look doesn't make me feel like rushing out and buying one. Discoverys have always stood out from the pack with their own unique identifiable strong look.

This latest version looks like just about any other generic common soft awd on the market today, actually it is almost Kia'ish.

[catch-22]

The back from a dead side view does look awkward. But I'll get over that and squint when I need to.

I do hope the suspension is a little softer than the D4

[Babs]

I like the look. Funny, in one of the vids the D5 passes a D4 and it makes the D4 look like a dinosaur, which I think that's what they were hoping to achieve by doing that.

I'd buy one but for the wife. 9 USB ports, one of the vids show the whole family jumping in the car all the kids and parents with a device each, it really made me think of the world we now live in everyone has a head buried in a bloody device, so much so that they have to market a new vehicle based around these features. :O

Hopefully the new Defender when it arrives will be a more practical tourer and a suitable replacement for D4.

The D5 looks great and probably is as capable but for a tourer probably won't be high on most people's list.

If they keep the D4 platform and change the body shape a little to resemble Defender they'd be on a winner :)

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[PerthDisco]

Personally I can't see the difference to the RRS which is what I hoped they would not do. Where's the point of difference? Why motorise everything - the current seat operation is genius? Too glitzy which is my feeling for the late D4 already.

As Pauline said "I don't like it"

[weeds]

Hopefully the defender takes on a similar shape to the D4......

Don't mind the look of the D5.......but doesn't really stand out in the crowd.

[catch-22]

I wanna know how they look on the back of a tilt tray....ha

For touring in Aus the 200 series is a winner. Dealerships everywhere, cheap servicing, great depreciation, and the new ones aren't that bad on fuel.

[jon3950]

I thought the launch was underwhelming. All I learnt about the vehicle was that it has wi-fi and that McGovern's favourite feature is the seat configuring app. I wonder if he's actually done any off-roading. They seemed to be more excited about the Lego world record.

I'm sure the vehicle itself will be very good and will be far more capable off-road than it looks. Clearly though it's pitched at a different market segment to the previous models. It's competitors are BMW/Audi/Merc rather than LandCruiser - more Eurocentric thinking. What we need now is a new Defender to fill the gap in the market where the original Disco was.

What I did find interesting was the parade of old models. The Camel D1 of course looked very cool but the two standouts were the G4 D2a and the millionth Disco, pre face-lift D4. The styling on these two looked just right and timeless.

Cheers,
Jon

[Andrew86]

Personally I can't see the difference to the RRS which is what I hoped they would not do. Where's the point of difference? Why motorise everything - the current seat operation is genius? Too glitzy which is my feeling for the late D4 already.

That's been my thinking all along. JLR and McGovern have been saying for years that there will be three discrete 'pillars' in the Land Rover range, with 'Discovery' being the lifestyle focused vehicles. The D5 should be the top of the Discovery range, and easily identifiable as such. It should look like the culmination of nearly three decades of heritage. What they seem to have done is released a cut-price Range Rover that shares little with its predecessors.

Case in point, there's a Discovery Sport parked near my home that has replaced the Discovery letters on the front and back with "Range Rover". I guess she wanted an Evoque but couldn't afford one. Is that really what Discovery has become? :o

[Tins]

Suppose I should reserve judgement until I see one in the metal, but so far I'm a little disappointed.Discos have always stood out. This one says RR Sport. Well, to me at least. Love the smartphone app though!

[Tins]

"PHONE CHARGING

The iPhone? Connect and Charge Dock and Wireless Phone Charging Cupholder** utilise the central console cupholder space for visibility of the phone whilst charging. Dock compatible with iPhone 5, iPhone 5S, iPhone 6, iPhone 6S and iPhone 5SE."

Sure. And the phone in the picture? A Samsung! Hope it doesn't explode.

Seriously, does anyone proofread anymore?

[ozscott]

Only the Samsung Note. The iPhone crushing S7 does not tend to flames. Cheers

[chuck]

Did anyone figure out tyre sizes.

Plenty of information about wheel sizes.

If it is similar to the RRS should be able to get a good size 20" tyre i.e. 275 55 20.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The twin sunroofs folding into the centre is cool,,:p:cool:

and I'd like to see a pic of the headlights on---
anyone?

[catch-22]

LED headlights look great. The daytime running lights are the best I've seen

[LandyAndy]

I hope it doesn't look as similar in the flesh as the brochers!!!!!
Ford Australia - MKII Ford Territory - Large Family SUV (http://www.ford.com.au/suv/territory'searchid=ac11_FoA&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Territory%20-%20F%20-%20MB&utm_term=%2Bford%20%2Bterritory&utm_content=Ford%20Territory%20-%20MB)
Andrew

[catch-22]

Wrong link?

[ozscott]

No right link 😈😉😂

[rar110]

I'm slow to get enthusiastic about the LR look. I understand the strategy an think it's a winner. It kind of looks like the L494 with a more practical rear end. But it just doesn't seem to blend. The rear EAS coil combo seems to be a strange way to go. But innovation is a JLR strength.

[LandyAndy]

Wrong link?

Nope,the new email today shows a D5 that looks a lot like a refined Territory:(:(:(:(

I like Territorys,we have the AWD XR6turbo powered version.I wouldn't want a Landy that looks like one.
Andrew

[catch-22]

Rar, any detail as to why they did a coil EAS combo?

[rar110]

Rar, any detail as to why they did a coil EAS combo?



No. But does look like a small coil and small EAS combo. The DS and Evoque is coil only. I suspect the D5 combo suspension will be a differentiating feature compared to the L405 & L494.

I'm betting the new Defender will be different again ie coil front EAS rear.

[SimmAus]

I was really looking forward to seeing this and learning a bit more about the config, then it all got a bit anti climatic...a bit soft, stupid electric seats touted as the "best feature"...lost some of the adventure that disco stands for IMHO.
Time will tell whether the same versatility will exist (adventure, touring and luxury sedan), it will sell like hot cakes with the school mum brigade.

18" wheels available according to the telegraph, but LRA will probably not bring those in...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/land-rover-discovery-2017-unveiled-all-the-details-pictures-and/

I was never going to be queuing up for the first production run, so keeping my D4 for now.....

[rar110]

The interior looks very like a DS. I'm not a big fan at this stage but that might change. I'm sure the off road traction logarithms will have improved even more. However I'm guessing off road supremacy combined with lux will be the Range Rover niche (other than Evoque). Off road supremacy minus lux and so many gizmos will be left to the new defender. The D5 will be in the middle appealing to the masses.

[CSBrisie]

I am waiting for the rumoured SVX and hope it adds what seems to be missing for keen off-roaders / outback adventurers. Correct me if I'm wrong but at launch for D3 and D4 the accessories brochures included factory:

Winch kit
A Bar
Raised air intake
Front sump guard
Rear ladder
Expedition rack

And with D5 - hmm - not much.

Sigh, maybe I will have to wait for the new Defender.

[SBD4]

Shows the fold down ledge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-csA1Ns1T4

[rar110]

Here is the link to the brochure with specs.

http://www.landrover.com.au/Images/L462_17MY_MB_INT_ENG_V8a_tcm296-307857.pdf

Its not a coil EAS combo like I thought, but a choice of one or the other.

Like the L494 the TR2/dual range box is optional as is the EAS. So the base S spec D5 will to some extent be like the DS except bigger.

The SD4 is the same as the L494. It sounds an impressive motor in terms of power and a flat torque range of 1500-2500rpm. Combined with being at least 400kg lighter than the D4 will make it good off road (with EAS) and a good on road driving experience. The load space is a little less than the D4 but a lot more than the RRV or RRS.

The base S spec D5 with its new shape will be a popular urban choice Im betting.

[Graeme]

No mention in the specs of CVDs nor of any changes to the L405/L494 suspension system operation other than the option to auto lower when parked. I note that all engine versions use the same brakes.

[TerryO]

Yes I think you are correct RAR the basic S spec will be a popular choice for urban dwellers. However with coil springs and no low range it will be little better than any other soft roader on the market off road. Plus reducing the carrying capacity makes no sense to me, that was always a major point of difference to a RRS, it carried lots more, now it's little better.

In my opinion they have made a almost look alike poor mans Range Rover, apart from lots of gizmo's which may or may not trickle down to the every day entry level model that most will buy, to me anyway it is not a very inspiring ground breaking vehicle like the D3 was when first released and even the Pommy Journo in the UK Telegraph review is saying he thinks they made a mistake going away from the Disco design.

If it's correct that the D5 has a pedestrian air bag in the front bumper then how on earth do you design a bull bar with one of them included and keep it ADR complied?

***edit

Check out this review, no entry level coiler S for Australia or petrol engine. Our base model will be the SE, however they might be doing what Holden did when they dropped the Berlina name tag and made to versions on the Calais with the base Calais being similar spec to a Berlina but with a higher spec name.

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1609/2017-land-rover-discovery-revealed/

[rar110]

The entry level RRS has same SD4 and coil suspension.
https://www.carsales.com.au/bnc/details/Land-Rover-Range-Rover-Sport-2016/SHRM-AD-448272

[vbrab]

Does anybody know yet if they have to take the body off to change the rear timing belts, or to remove the motor etc?

[TerryO]

From what I have read so far it has a monocoque body / chassis. Meaning there is no separate chassis, it's all in one like modern cars are.

[rar110]

Same build as the RRS.

[catch-22]

I wish car company new model releases were much like Apple. They announce the new model and all it's detail then in the next couple of days they release the product in full. Of course, fanboys will cue up and wait for them to open the doors on the morning of release.

I'm not saying I'd cue up, but I'm not saying I wouldn't. [emoji3]

[jon3950]

I was really looking forward to seeing this and learning a bit more about the config, then it all got a bit anti climatic...a bit soft, stupid electric seats touted as the "best feature"...lost some of the adventure that disco stands for IMHO.
Time will tell whether the same versatility will exist (adventure, touring and luxury sedan), it will sell like hot cakes with the school mum brigade.

18" wheels available according to the telegraph, but LRA will probably not bring those in...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/land-rover-discovery-2017-unveiled-all-the-details-pictures-and/

I was never going to be queuing up for the first production run, so keeping my D4 for now.....

That article neatly sums up my feelings.

Now I've had a look at the website and seen it in some normal colours I think it looks good. That orange just makes it look ugly - what were they thinking! I like it like an RRS though, not like a Discovery.

What I think is a pity is that its losing more of it's practicality for the sake of more luxury and in doing so losing the Discovery dna. That said, from a market point of view it's probably a good move and will sell like hotcakes when we eventually see it. I just have to accept that I am no longer the target market and hopefully Defender will fulfill my requirements.

I think this model needs to be viewed within the context of the entire model range, which is hard to do without Defender. There is a lot riding on the new Defender now. If the new Defender manages to fill the void now left by Discovery, then this Discovery will be a good thing, like the RRS. Without a model that will fill that void, not to mention that of the original Defender, then Land Rover will lose credibility and their whole raison-d'etre.

It will be interesting to see how their rural dealers fare for six months without either Defender or Discovery. Just have to sell more Jags I guess.

Cheers,
Jon

[Bytemrk]

I don't mind the look - not a huge fan, but it may grow on me...

I'm pleased to see the weight drop and will be interested to see GVM figures etc, to see if there is any increase in load carrying capacity (I fear there wont be.)

It's also good to see the wading depth increase too... at least that's a sign it's not totally designed for the city.

I think I'll miss the split tailgate though..... I was standing on mine this morning to help me reach something I was tying down to the roof rack, thinking " this will be blood awkward with the D5 style tailgate..".

If I go there, it looks like tying stuff to the rack, will need to be delegated to 6'3" son :D

[Graeme]

I think I'll miss the split tailgate though..... I was standing on mine this morning to help me reach something I was tying down to the roof rack, thinking " this will be blood awkward with the D5 style tailgate..".
A tail-gate mounted ladder will do the trick.

[scarry]

'Working on 18" rims' in the link on TerryO post looks promising,but surely you would have thought though they would have had it already sorted.

That tailgate thing looks useless for getting up to the roof rack:(

It seems too narrow as well.

Waterproof key is great.

Surely if one model could have had a larger fuel tank,wouldn't it be available for all models?

The uprated 2litre, with reduced weight, should get along nicely,although towing the V6 is probably the go.

i wonder if the new motors have done away with the timing belts,saving on maintenance costs?

Price increases across the range presumably.

It actually appears to be a larger RRS,trying to compete with X5,Q7,and similar.

Discovery seems to be going further away from the family touring wagon it always was.

Anyway,when it gets here,we will find out more,and that won't be until after Christmas sometime.

[GregMilner]

I reckon it's a cracker of a look. If it drives as well or better than my L322, I'd certainly consider it once it's time to move my car on in a year or two.
Curiously, the Australian reports all talk about it having minimum 20" wheels, whereas the Pommy websites talk about 19s.
I'd be hoping LRA will make 19s available here.

[GregMilner]

I am waiting for the rumoured SVX and hope it adds what seems to be missing for keen off-roaders / outback adventurers. Correct me if I'm wrong but at launch for D3 and D4 the accessories brochures included factory:

Winch kit
A Bar
Raised air intake
Front sump guard
Rear ladder
Expedition rack

And with D5 - hmm - not much.

Sigh, maybe I will have to wait for the new Defender.

Like you Chris, I'm keen to have a look at this. According to Toby Hagon's piece on the 4X4 website, "all Australian cars will get air suspension and all but the base model Td4 will get a dual-range transfer case."

And, apparently, an 18inch wheel option, which would be nice.

[BobD]

Good on you Greg. I agree also. How people can say that ALL the practicality of the D4 and room of the D4 has gone is beyond me. Wait until we can touch and feel before criticising everything based on very limited facts.


My observation is that they seem to have managed to maintain the room and practicality in a car that looks like it probably shouldn't have the room and practicality of the boxy D4. However, time will tell.


To answer the criticism of the single piece rear tailgate they introduced the optional inner tailgate, so you get the barrier, folding table and seat function of the old as well as the extra weather protection of the full sized tailgate, so it is a win win situation.

[GregMilner]

Bob I think the car looks sensational. Even better than the FFRR, and certainly more attractive than the RRS. Who says 'real' 4WDs have to be boxy, uncomfortable and rattle like a Salvation Army collection tin?
I would definitely look at a higher-spec one of these as a replacement for my L322.
But...the idea of going back to a single-turbo V6 doesn't thrill me, and neither am I thrilled by 20 inch wheels. Apparently 19s may be available, but there's precious little all terrain tyre choice in that size. I'd dearly love to get one with 18s if possible.

[Bytemrk]

A tail-gate mounted ladder will do the trick.

True, maybe if I buy one I'll need to include that and still delegate that to the boy :D

[catch-22]

LR Aus site only shows a 19 inch wheel option at the moment.

[chuck]

If it has the same size tyres as the current RRS or FFRR then you will hopefully be able to fit 275 55 20's.

[BobD]

If you go through the build your own and start with an SE you can get 19 inch wheels as an option. However, most of the special packs include 20 inch plus wheels so you would probably need to get dealers to fit or after market wheels to get 19 inch. Hopefully 18 inch GOE wheels will still fit but that will remain to be seen.

[Graeme]

18" Compomotive/GOE don't currently fit the RRS.

[Bytemrk]

When the options for wheels on the Aussie Land Rover site are 19", 20", 21" and 22" :eek:

I think we might be being a little hopeful with the 18's :(

[chuck]

Did anyone note the significant change in tow ball down force.

Might still tow 3500 kgs but cannot sustain 10% downforce.

[Grentarc]

Did anyone note the significant change in tow ball down force.

Might still tow 3500 kgs but cannot sustain 10% downforce.
In all other countries the D4 is not allowed 10% ball weight either

[scarry]

Good on you Greg. I agree also. How people can say that ALL the practicality of the D4 and room of the D4 has gone is beyond me. Wait until we can touch and feel before criticising everything based on very limited facts.


My observation is that they seem to have managed to maintain the room and practicality in a car that looks like it probably shouldn't have the room and practicality of the boxy D4. However, time will tell.


To answer the criticism of the single piece rear tailgate they introduced the optional inner tailgate, so you get the barrier, folding table and seat function of the old as well as the extra weather protection of the full sized tailgate, so it is a win win situation.

Still trying to work that out.There is no way the new set up will give good access to a roof rack,it also seems very short,doesn't seem to protrude as far as the rear bumper.
The new rear door also seems to open very high,so using an awning such as a foxing will be impossible.

LR are saying the old set up is prone to corrosion,and sealing around the set up is difficult.Never heard of either of those issues on this forum,and there are many including myself that have done thousands of k's on some of the dustiest roads in the country.

Anyway,as others have said,wait until we see it in the flesh.:D

[Grentarc]

LR are saying the old set up is prone to corrosion,and sealing around the set up is difficult.Never heard of either of those issues on this forum,and there are many including myself that have done thousands of k's on some of the dustiest roads in the country.

Anyway,as others have said,wait until we see it in the flesh.:D

Yes, but that's not salted European roads, they know how to get a car to rust!

[catch-22]

This thread has been tainted by defender lovers [emoji3]

So this ones for you

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a31000/new-land-rover-defender-2018/

Can only be a good thing.

[ozscott]

Yep. It better be good at not getting stuck cause it can't be snatched without bending it.

Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

I highly doubt land rover have forgotten to consider things like that ;)

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[ozscott]

You would hope... Unless the D5 is more what offroad drivers feared and LR is relying on new Defender to keep the brand true.

See this post from BKMal.

Cheers

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/815.jpg

[catch-22]

Given the new defender is based on the new Discovery, one can only assume it will bend just as easily.

[Grentarc]

You would hope... Unless the D5 is more what offroad drivers feared and LR is relying on new Defender to keep the brand true.

See this post from BKMal.

Cheers

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/815.jpg
The D5 has steel subframes unlike the L405/L494 which have aluminium. If the aluminium subframe was bent due to snatching, then the D5's steel one should be much better

[ozscott]

Good God. Unless they brace it up but I fear it's going south (this isn't Chicken Little stuff either just disappointing news). I will obviously reserve judgement but the D3 with 17's and an e locker or D4 with aftermarket 18's is looking more and more like a good buy versus D5. Anyway we will see.

Cheers

[Grentarc]

Good God. Unless they brace it up but I fear it's going south (this isn't Chicken Little stuff either just disappointing news). I will obviously reserve judgement but the D3 with 17's and an e locker or D4 with aftermarket 18's is looking more and more like a good buy versus D5. Anyway we will see.

Cheers
Anyone bent an L322 subframe? A quick Google search didn't show up anything

[scarry]

Good God. Unless they brace it up but I fear it's going south (this isn't Chicken Little stuff either just disappointing news). I will obviously reserve judgement but the D3 with 17's and an e locker or D4 with aftermarket 18's is looking more and more like a good buy versus D5. Anyway we will see.

Cheers

Or a D4 with 17's:angel:

There's a few around..

[ozscott]

Scarry that would be cool. Cheers

[ozscott]

The L322 workshop manual says that "snatch recovery should be avoided". There would be a reason for that. In an effort to get lighter and lighter and satisfy emissions and economy manufacturers make compromises. It is inevitable that Offroad ruggedness gives way to others things on designers wish lists.

Cheers

[TerryO]

I seriously do hope the steel sub frames have fixed any potential chassis issues that the new RRS has, it would be a shame to see the D5 relegated to only being good as a expensive shopping trolley.

[Babs]

I would have thought they'd base the new Defender on the D4 platform. This makes more sense for a serious off-roader.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[scarry]

Yes, but that's not salted European roads, they know how to get a car to rust!

Quick google and scratch around on UK sites,not much on rusty tailgates,remembering some of the D3's are getting towards 12yrs old.

There are quite a few in Aus that have done a fair bit of beach work as well.

There is the occasional mention of corrosion in upper tailgate on older Sports.

As for not sealing,no issues anywhere.

Sounds like LR are grasping at straws,looking for excuses...;)

[scarry]

I would have thought they'd base the new Defender on the D4 platform. This makes more sense for a serious off-roader.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

They probably look at that as going backwards,so it will never happen,just like going to smaller brakes to accomodate smaller rims.

The well documented brake size issue is a bit weird,as other vehicles,similarly powered,such as LC200,and even the Audi TDV8 can be fitted with 18's.LC200 can actually be fitted with 17's,as an option on most if not all models.

[Grentarc]

Quick google and scratch around on UK sites,not much on rusty tailgates,remembering some of the D3's are getting towards 12yrs old.

There are quite a few in Aus that have done a fair bit of beach work as well.

There is the occasional mention of corrosion in upper tailgate on older Sports.

As for not sealing,no issues anywhere.

Sounds like LR are grasping at straws,looking for excuses...;)
Unless they are figuring the L319 will have the same issues as the L322? Easy to find rust and sealing issues with those. They have been around longer, but first gen L322 may not be the same quality later ones and/or L319 are...

[Graeme]

In the UK MY11/12 L322s have rust problems in the same areas as earlier versions.

Hopefully Oz new Disco versions will at least have the infra-red reflecting front windscreen as optional on lower spec models as the release info shows they're only to be fitted to the HSE Lux version. I would want CVDs which don't seem to be an option at this time.

[Babs]

What do we expect, I watched one of the new Land Rover videos and all the engineers have dogs so they designed the tailgate drop down around their dogs. So now car manufacturers are designing vehicles for dogs.

Sounds like all those failed new restaurant businesses where owners serve what they like not their customers :o

So they didn't put any thought just like D4 for tie down points for fridges or any features to make touring more comfortable.

More people in Australia put fridges in their 4x4 than dogs.

Looks like the new Defender might be the touring option if they don't stuff that one up.

Don't get me wrong the D5 looks good but its target market is obviously not us.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

[rar110]

They probably look at that as going backwards,so it will never happen,just like going to smaller brakes to accomodate smaller rims.



The well documented brake size issue is a bit weird,as other vehicles,similarly powered,such as LC200,and even the Audi TDV8 can be fitted with 18's.LC200 can actually be fitted with 17's,as an option on most if not all models.



I suspect the bigger brakes are for better TC/TR/HDC. The other brands don't seem to have traction ability of the modern LR, which is quite impressive.

[scarry]

I suspect the bigger brakes are for better TC/TR/HDC. The other brands don't seem to have traction ability of the modern LR, which is quite impressive.


But do soccer mums need all these fancy traction aids?:p:D:wasntme:

[carlschmid2002]

What do we expect, I watched one of the new Land



Don't get me wrong the D5 looks good but its target market is obviously not us.

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner

I am not so sure about the look. I think they have taken the RRS and tried to make it more practical and ended up with a ginormous backside that doesn't work. It may grow on me. When I had a Patrol I was never really keen on the Discos and now I love the 3 and 4.

[Andrew86]

I suspect the bigger brakes are for better TC/TR/HDC. The other brands don't seem to have traction ability of the modern LR, which is quite impressive.

Bigger brakes is for improved on-road performance, which makes sense given where most D5s will spend their lives.

As for the next Defender, we still know little to nothing about it. Part of me hopes it'll restore some faith in the brand to make a rough 'n' tough off-roader, another part of me doesn't care either way. If the D4/Defender was LR's peak, most of us already have one in the garage :)

[AndyG]

But do soccer mums need all these fancy traction aids?:p:D:wasntme:

School ovals can be quite slippery, and don't forget the polo field :p

[crash]

I do not like the new look. They have gone for a more generic look - more rounded as all other manufactures have gone.
The D2a and Disco 4 in my eyes are the best looking Discos to date.
It needs to be a really good off roader to get my money.

[Grentarc]

I do not like the new look. They have gone for a more generic look - more rounded as all other manufactures have gone.
The D2a and Disco 4 in my eyes are the best looking Discos to date.
It needs to be a really good off roader to get my money.
More rounded at the front gives better pedestrian safety (better safety rating = better sales), better aerodynamics and combined with the rounded sides, has given the D5 a wading depth of 900mm - most cars these days are going for safety ratings and fuel economy, which is why they share similar looks.

[PAT303]

They probably look at that as going backwards,so it will never happen,just like going to smaller brakes to accomodate smaller rims.

The well documented brake size issue is a bit weird,as other vehicles,similarly powered,such as LC200,and even the Audi TDV8 can be fitted with 18's.LC200 can actually be fitted with 17's,as an option on most if not all models.

The 200 series can be fitted with smaller rims because the brakes are small, way too small for it's weight and are good for one heavy stop only, the D4 on the other hand stops without issue regards of the conditions. Pat

[PAT303]

Good God. Unless they brace it up but I fear it's going south (this isn't Chicken Little stuff either just disappointing news). I will obviously reserve judgement but the D3 with 17's and an e locker or D4 with aftermarket 18's is looking more and more like a good buy versus D5. Anyway we will see.

Cheers

And steal chassis 4wd's have never bent or snapped have they ;). Pat

[ozscott]

Not being snatched Pat. Never heard of it. Don't think twice before snatching people heavily bogged with my D2. Can't imagine any Deefer driver's pondering whether the snatch strap shoild go on. Dont think D3 and D4 drivers are furrowing their brows about snatching with both chassis and monocoque vehicles either... Cheers

[scarry]

And steal chassis 4wd's have never bent or snapped have they ;). Pat

Hmm,different reason though;)


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/796.jpg (https://picturepush.com/public/15248145)

[ozscott]

I have seen that photo before and it's the only one I have ever seen of an LR. Seen a few Navaras though. Cheers

[ramblingboy42]

I'm surprised at the negative comments about this new model.

Land Rover have stated and shown that the D5 is as significant step above the D4 as the D2 was above the D1.

I guess the same pragmatists who ****canned the D2 are the ones ****canning the D5.

I am really looking forward to meeting this vehicle in the flesh and driving it.

I have a feeling it will raise my pulse.

[ozscott]

It will raise your seats too if you have the App.

Cheers

[Andrew86]

I'm surprised at the negative comments about this new model.

Land Rover have stated and shown that the D5 is as significant step above the D4 as the D2 was above the D1.

I don't think anyone here is saying the D5 won't be a great car. The way I see it the discussion has been more around where Discovery now sits in the Land Rover family and I think it's fair to say that there has been a repositioning in that regard.

Whether that's a deliberate move to pave the way for the new Defender, or if this is just JLR doing what they do best and making more luxurious off-roaders, who knows? It all makes for good chit chat though.

[ozscott]

I think the D5 will be fantastic but undeniably LR is moving towards highly competent road vehicles that also do very well Offroad (and the flash wading depth does not offset the fact that they are offering 19 inch wheels as standard, lack of low range in some models etc and as such the new Defender cannot come fast enough for the brand.

Cheers

[PAT303]

Maybe LR are making a vehicle to suit the market?.When you look at the facts almost 90% of 4wd's don't 4wd, instead they are used as daily drivers,ego strokers or as towing tugs.It that regard,bull bars,light bars,winches,full length roof racks,16'' tyres,the transfer case are all ballast.What people want in the Discovery segment is blue tooth connection,comfortable seats,automatic gearbox,good A/C,5 star safety rating,stylish exterior/interior,seats for the kids and easy parking.The new D5 ticks all of them. Pat

[ozscott]

Agreed Pat. Cheers

[PAT303]

Don't agree all the time mate,I like discussions where people voice their opinions. Pat

[steane]

The D5 looks fantastic inside and out. My only mild reservation is that it looks a bit long in the butt...regardless, it's instantly dated the old D4 breadbox.

Land Rover engines are back under the bonnet.

Good job Land Rover:D

It's possible the serious off-roader will be catered for better by the new Defender, but I wouldn't sell the D5 short just yet.

Be interesting to see how reliable the Ingenium donks prove to be.

[ozscott]

Haha. Pat I agree with your last post. They have lost me with the D5 but yes it's what most people want. They survey then they design and build. Most off road enthusiasts will draw the line in the sand with earlier models as I noted above. There just comes a point where tech alone just can't beat physics...

Also it's literally but ugly. Looks like the front was designed by Team A and the rear by Mitsubishi.

Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

We're not the intended market.
Part of me thinks we never were.
The discovery to my mind has always been a vehicle that was designed for more on road use, but just happened to be exceptionally good at going off road.
I'm sure the D5 will be the same.
However in order to keep cars on the road, Land Rover have to play within the rules, rules which are getting considerably tighter.
I'm sure Chris, the local salesman, will be more than happy to let me crawl all over them and answer any questions I have, he's saying late second quarter next year based on information he's getting.

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[Tombie]

Personally I've seen very few people perform a kinetic recovery correctly or safely.

Heavily bogged doesn't get Snatched... that's just a risky proposition...

I've also seen average vehicles recovered using 12/15t straps - way worse than using an 8t strap.

[RHS58]

I quite like what I see.

My serious off roading play time is now behind me. Been there done that, in less expensive vehicles.
Mainly I use the D4 to tow my van, and to get to less crowded places.

Looks like D5 has the same tow hitch issues as D3 D4. Mitchell Bros come on down!

With all the standard electrickery and gizmos, I don't think I'll be able to afford D5 when the time comes to changeover.

[WhiteD3]

One of the options is a height adjustable hitch....but given the cost of an LR tow bar ($2400 for my boss's RRS!) I think the MitchHitch will have a good market into the future.


I quite like what I see.

My serious off roading play time is now behind me. Been there done that, in less expensive vehicles.
Mainly I use the D4 to tow my van, and to get to less crowded places.

Looks like D5 has the same tow hitch issues as D3 D4. Mitchell Bros come on down!

With all the standard electrickery and gizmos, I don't think I'll be able to afford D5 when the time comes to changeover.

[DiscoMick]

Do we reaĺly want the Discovery to be like a Defender?
I guess the Discovery will go lifestyle while the Defender will be a durable workhorse. Bit like the difference between a Landcruiser and Hilux.
Good wading depth for the D5 though.

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[shanegtr]

Theres a couple of things I like on the D5 - isofix and child seat anchors in the third row being one, not many cars out there think of child restraints for the back row.

I like the activity key, suprised we havent seen that earier with the advent of keyless entry.
I like the USB charging points, lets face it most of use go away with several electronic devices.
Dont like how everything that moves is electricly powered, have we gotten that lazy that we cant move a seat or tailgate ourselves? Going to be fun if you use the 3rd row regually like me waiting for the seat to move out of position to allow access into the back and then back down again as opposed to simply flipping it up manually like the current model
Not really a fan of the look still and I just cant help the feeling that its trying to be a poor mans Range Rover.
My wife likes it so that was the final straw, Im not a fan :)

[Tombie]

They probably look at that as going backwards,so it will never happen,just like going to smaller brakes to accomodate smaller rims.



The well documented brake size issue is a bit weird,as other vehicles,similarly powered,such as LC200,and even the Audi TDV8 can be fitted with 18's.LC200 can actually be fitted with 17's,as an option on most if not all models.



Ever tried to stop a 200 [emoji6] horribly underbraked.

[Tombie]

I'd say the target audience is family travellers or van pullers...

And it will be perfect for offroad also.

Pumped guards and aerodynamics don't stop capability...

Heck D1 owners complained D2s were too long and too "round"... and steel panels...
D2 owners then complained the D3 was plain and boxy.
D3 owners then complained the D4 was soft edged.

And yet a D4 ****s all over anything before it...
The D5 will surely do the same....

[PAT303]

Personally I've seen very few people perform a kinetic recovery correctly or safely.

Heavily bogged doesn't get Snatched... that's just a risky proposition...

I've also seen average vehicles recovered using 12/15t straps - way worse than using an 8t strap.

I run a winch so I don't have to be snatched,absolutely hate the idea,be it snatcher or snatchee. Pat

[RHS58]

. ....... I just cant help the feeling that its trying to be a poor mans Range Rover....... :)

Unfortunately, I doubt a poor man would get a look in.

[BobD]

Yes, a poor man can't even afford a Discovery Sport!


Anyway, as far as I know the Discovery was always a poor man's Range Rover and the original was really made in the image of the Range Rover classic.

[Graeme]

A Disco is a less pretentious and more practical RR although the comfort of CVDs shouldn't be restricted to the RR.

[shanegtr]

Unfortunately, I doubt a poor man would get a look in.


Yes, a poor man can't even afford a Discovery Sport!


Anyway, as far as I know the Discovery was always a poor man's Range Rover and the original was really made in the image of the Range Rover classic.
You raise a good point, I certainly cant afford a new car of practically any make

[rar110]

The newest LR I could afford is a 2 year old FL2, which seem a very good vehicle. Even $60k for a disco sport is way too much for me.

[carlschmid2002]

A Disco is a less pretentious and more practical RR although the comfort of CVDs shouldn't be restricted to the RR.

It's funny how they end up. Just bought a 2011 D4 V8 which has more standard features than a Range Rover. I looked at a few RRS but the cargo space and the badge put me off. A good TDV6 used RRS is generally cheaper than a D4 from the same year and same kms. Although many RRSs are becoming very affordable I don't know about the houghty toughty badge. Even the D4 V8 has too much external bling. I do love the internal features. Have I mentioned the stereo?

[RHS58]

CVDs would be what exactly?

[Graeme]

Constantly Variable Dampers - shocks that can vary their damping rate.

My RRV has shocks with an internal bypass valve controlled by an ecu to allow fluid to bypass the firm valves by varying degrees. The ecu monitors the range and frequency of wheel travel using height sensors to detect different movement patterns. It's quick enough to react to every bump to soften the ride. Other versions use a fluid that has microscopic metallic fibres that are normally facing in all directions but can be aligned by external magnetic fields to allow the oil to flow faster through the valves to soften the ride.

[ozscott]

Ie what HSV brought into its vehicles what 10 years or more ago? Ie the magnetic version. HSV version was expensive when the shock failed. Don't know if aftermarket mobs are reducing costs a little. Cheers

[jonesfam]

I was just telling SWMBO about the D5 & how, amongst other things, there is phone app to adjust/fold the seats.
Her immediate reaction was:
You forget about the antique vase you left on the seat & crush it.

And, the kids get hold of your phone while you are driving & start folding, unfolding & moving seats forward or back.

She thought the last one would be very funny & something she would do!

Jonesfam

[DiscoMick]

I read there is a sensor in the seat and if it senses anything on the seat it stops the seat from folding down, so the antique vase is safe.

[Tombie]

Also doesn't allow seats to be folded in operation mode.

[BobD]

Did you all notice that the drivers and passenger seats both move forward a bit when the centre row folds? That might be an issue for tall drivers.

[Tombie]

Did you all notice that the drivers and passenger seats both move forward a bit when the centre row folds? That might be an issue for tall drivers.



Current model requires the same.
You can move it back once the middle row is down.

[BobD]

Current model requires the same.
You can move it back once the middle row is down.



Thanks Tombie. I must have mine further forward because I've never noticed it! I know it sometimes touches as it goes down though, so I guess with electronic operation that is not possible. I didn't see the front seats return to their original positions in the videos, however. Did you?

[Celtoid]

Do we reaĺly want the Discovery to be like a Defender?
I guess the Discovery will go lifestyle while the Defender will be a durable workhorse. Bit like the difference between a Landcruiser and Hilux.
Good wading depth for the D5 though.

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That's a good question Mick.

I think LR inadvertently left a lot of want-to-be owners in a quandary.

For me, I loved camping and wanted to get to places a 2WD couldn't. I was also on the cusp of buying a European luxury sedan. I couldn't afford both so I needed something in the middle. Being Ex-Military, I'd driven my fair share of 110s and didn't see that as the fit. LR should have done something to seriously modernise the Defender generations ago (IMHO). Range Rover was in my opinion too far the other way (again ... at the time My Opinion). Other brands just didn't do it for me (That opinion hasn't changed ... LOL).

Disco fitted the bill in most areas but I felt it was leaning towards the RR side too much. Refreshingly, whilst they are definitely a shopping trolley for some, I've seen way more D4s off road than I've ever seen LC200s and possibly other LR products. And that number is increasing noticeably.

Discovery owners I'd say, due to the number I see off-road these days, are relishing that very wide middle ground.....meaning...a D4 is a weapon off and on the road. It's not such a heavy handling beast as it looks on road and it is far more durable and capable off road than most people could imagine.

To your original point though ... and to mine .... had LR kept the Defender contemporary, people like myself would probably be driving them. The Discovery phenomena wouldn't have been discovered (oops ... pun). But I really don't want the Disco 5 to lean any further towards RR ... I'd prefer it leaning towards where the Deefer should be had it been continuously modernised. More solid and forgiving than a D4 but much, much nicer and better in the comfort and driveability stakes than the Deefer.

I think the Disco fits better on the Deefer side of the fence than the RR.

Does that make sense?

Kev.

[LRD414]

.... I'd prefer it leaning towards where the Deefer should be had it been continuously modernised. More solid and forgiving than a D4 but much, much nicer and better in the comfort and driveability stakes than the Deefer....
I suspect that this is the territory that the 2018 Defender will aim to occupy, with the Discovery still straddling between RR luxury (with extra size) and offroad capability.
The delineation between models won't completely make sense until the Defender is out.

The other thing is that so far we've only really seen the D5 focus on the top-end or flagship version, hence the electric seats, etc.
This is a typical marketing strategy for a launch and not the full story.
The lower spec versions will still be there and hopefully they will offer a better balance of features & durability, like the D4.

Cheers,
Scott

[DiscoMick]

Is it true we're not going to get the base S D5? I guess that will leave a bigger gap for the upper range models of the new Defender to fill in its durable role.

[Tombie]

LRA is renown for stripping the Australian market of features or pushing them into expensive add on packs.

I have no doubt it will be the same for the D5.

[Stuart02]

I think the D5 will be fantastic but undeniably LR is moving towards highly competent road vehicles that also do very well Offroad (and the flash wading depth does not offset the fact that they are offering 19 inch wheels as standard, lack of low range in some models etc and as such the new Defender cannot come fast enough for the brand.

Cheers

I'm personally a fan of low range but the fact is there's a heck of a lot you can do without low range with modern gear boxes and traction aids. It'll still have great clearance which is the main thing...

[ozscott]

Mate I tow heavy loads and low range is the go... Unless they build a box with extra low 2 speed reverses then low range reverse would be missed. Cheers

[Stuart02]

Mate I tow heavy loads and low range is the go... Unless they build a box with extra low 2 speed reverses then low range reverse would be missed. Cheers

yeah that's one thing I'm particularly a fan of low range for - and saving the brakes on long descents. But that is far far far from everybody

[Tombie]

Remember to keep up guys..

Low range was only invented because it was the easiest way with the tech at the time.

[Grentarc]

The D5 still has low range if you order it - like the current RRS

[ozscott]

VW Rok uses a couple of very low auto gears in their 8 speed slush box. Works well off road but not in reverse for obvious reasons. I doubt even with an 8 speed and the fluid flywheel gearing things down it would still have the torque and engine braking that low first on a traditional LR has... However I can see that in forward gears at least an 8 speed with 2 ultra low gears And an engine with bucket loads of torque like the LR 3.0 TT could work very well going forward without a transfer box.

Cheers

[Babs]

VW Rok uses a couple of very low auto gears in their 8 speed slush box. Works well off road but not in reverse for obvious reasons. I doubt even with an 8 speed and the fluid flywheel gearing things down it would still have the torque and engine braking that low first on a traditional LR has... However I can see that in forward gears at least an 8 speed with 2 ultra low gears And an engine with bucket loads of torque like the LR 3.0 TT could work very well going forward without a transfer box.

Cheers


The VW Rock is now available with a V6 diesel. :)

[Stuart02]

Remember to keep up guys..

Low range was only invented because it was the easiest way with the tech at the time.

Until the tech solutions can do a better rather than just similar job to low range, the only con I can see to the latter is that it's heavier and more expensive. It's still a far simpler, elegant and mechanically sympathetic method than flogging the torque converter and hammering the brakes.
I love when technology actually makes things better and I'll be happy when I can be convinced low range is truly redundant in the same way I was a die hard manual fan until I drove the D4.
Even if it's a single range box I can't see how it will ever really do the job unless it has something like 12 gears, 4 of which aren't used in normal driving, like new generation mountain bikes.

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[Tombie]

Who said TC and Brakes?

There's 10 and 12 speed transmissions in the wings now with a complete cross over...

Look at your current Dual range box..

1L
2L
3L = 1H
4L = 2H
5L = 3H
6L = 4H
... = 5H
... = 6H
... = 7H
... = 8H

**Roughly

So a new generation 10/12 speed can easily cover the spectrum, with less weight, less frictional losses etc...

[Stuart02]

Who said TC and Brakes?

There's 10 and 12 speed transmissions in the wings now with a complete cross over...

Look at your current Dual range box..

1L
2L
3L = 1H
4L = 2H
5L = 3H
6L = 4H
... = 5H
... = 6H
... = 7H
... = 8H

**Roughly

So a new generation 10/12 speed can easily cover the spectrum, with less weight, less frictional losses etc...

Yeah, aren't you making my point? No car on the market has that. Certainly not the D5

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[Tombie]

Yeah, aren't you making my point? No car on the market has that. Certainly not the D5

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Read back - you actually confirmed my point - when you said 10 or so speed box..

My post prior to that said to not discount the new tech (being the development of the 10/12 speed auto boxes) to which you assumed Torque converters and braking systems [emoji48][emoji6]

[Tombie]

Here's an article

http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2013/04/15/too-many-gears-gm-and-ford-join-to-build-10-speed-transmissions/

And another

http://www.caradvice.com.au/455953/2018-ford-mustang-10-speed-auto-details-surface-online/

ZF already do 10, 12 & 16 speed Automatics for buses - the tech is maturing to suit passenger vehicles..

[PAT303]

Who said TC and Brakes?

There's 10 and 12 speed transmissions in the wings now with a complete cross over...

Look at your current Dual range box..

1L
2L
3L = 1H
4L = 2H
5L = 3H
6L = 4H
... = 5H
... = 6H
... = 7H
... = 8H

**Roughly

So a new generation 10/12 speed can easily cover the spectrum, with less weight, less frictional losses etc...

I'd be all for a straight 12 speed gearbox,8 speed on road with bottom 4 lock-out in the new Defender. Pat

[scarry]

I'd be all for a straight 12 speed gearbox,8 speed on road with bottom 4 lock-out in the new Defender. Pat

That is forward gears,

Low range is pretty handy in reverse at times....

Maybe 2 reverse ratios as well?

[PAT303]

It would need a reverse idler to have reverse,nothing says it couldn't be used in any gear. Pat

[Graeme]

My main tractor has a 16-speed box with reverse restricted to 3-11. 5th is the default starting gear after start-up but only drops to 10th when stopped from a higher gear. No torque converter though, only clutches.

[rar110]

I think JLR half heartedly aimed for this in the DS and Evoque with the 9 speed ZF. 1st gear doesn't get used generally.

[shanegtr]

That is forward gears,

Low range is pretty handy in reverse at times....

Maybe 2 reverse ratios as well?
Whats wrong with having a single reverse gear that would be comparable to our current normal reverse with low? How many times to you need to go fast in reverse that having it super low would be restricitve?

[Stuart02]

Read back - you actually confirmed my point - when you said 10 or so speed box..

My post prior to that said to not discount the new tech (being the development of the 10/12 speed auto boxes) to which you assumed Torque converters and braking systems [emoji48][emoji6]

Lol. Yes I missed the mention of 12 speed boxes under development in your previous post in a discussion about currently available technology, my bad... some day soon we'll be going to Mars for our holidays too, but we aren't yet. When the day comes I'll be on board. But back in the real world, as much as single range boxes need more respect for what they can can do I'd be stumping for the dual range D5...

[Stuart02]

I'd be all for a straight 12 speed gearbox,8 speed on road with bottom 4 lock-out in the new Defender. Pat


Mmm effectively seamless low range on the fly. That'd be awesome :)

[PAT303]

Yep :D, no more burnt clutches. Pat

[DiscoMick]

The latest Land Rover Owner International has a write up on the D5 and I'm impressed. I reckon they are going to sell shedloads of them.

[Stuart02]

This write up http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/land-rover-discovery-2017-unveiled-all-the-details-pictures-and/ says there'll be wheel options from 18 to 22" available. Please tell me that's true about the 18s!!!

[DiscoMick]

This write up http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/land-rover-discovery-2017-unveiled-all-the-details-pictures-and/ says there'll be wheel options from 18 to 22" available. Please tell me that's true about the 18s!!!

LROI says 19s will be the smallest size.

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[scarry]

LROI says 19s will be the smallest size.

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Have a look at this,posted on the other D5 thread;)

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred

We can only hope................

[Celtoid]

Have a look at this,posted on the other D5 thread;)

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred

We can only hope................

Oh the Discovery is finally going to get some "off-Road Cred" so that it can compete against a Prado and Everest .... mmm interesting.

I obviously haven't been reading enough lately .... the 'Worlds Most Awarded' is getting usurped?

[DiscoMick]

Have a look at this,posted on the other D5 thread;)

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred

We can only hope................

That's interesting. So standard is 19s, but there's going to be an SVX with 18s and smaller brakes. Sounds good.

[101RRS]

Has it been mentioned that the D5 looks almost the same as a Ford Explorer from a distance - the D5 body must have been designed when LR was still in Ford ownership.

The great thing about the D4 as a 4wd was its functionality in its body shape - if you didn't need that you could go for a RRS like I did.

The new D5 shape is more RRS and less functional than the D4 for 4wd use.

For me when it comes time to change over my RRS, I will not have to look at a newer RRS but can look at the D5 as I do not the functionality of the D4 for my 4wding.

[Tombie]

Looks nothing like a Ford Territory..
That's like saying if a woman has curves they all look like Miss Monroe!

And what functionality do you speak of?
Besides some new compound curves what is it about the D5 that makes its functionality so different?

[Tombie]

In fact let's take a look..

Current Territory.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/316.jpg

Then the outgoing D4 front end:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/317.jpg

And the curves evolution of that front end in a D5:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/318.jpg

I can see the family blood line D4 - D5..

Not a lot similar to the Territory..

[Stuart02]

That's interesting. So standard is 19s, but there's going to be an SVX with 18s and smaller brakes. Sounds good.

What I never got about the smaller brake package with smaller engine thing, is that the two models will still have the same GVM and rated towing capacity. So why the need for larger brakes?

Incidentally has anyone seen payload figures for the D5?

[101RRS]

Looks nothing like a Ford Territory..


Who said it looked like a Ford Territory?

[Tombie]

Who said it looked like a Ford Territory?



My apology Garry, I read what you wrote and then somehow shuffled it along in my mind as I searched for pics..

It still looks different enough I think..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/310.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/311.jpg

[Andrew86]

It still looks different enough I think..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/310.jpg

To be fair, that's the old Explorer front end. I think he has a point, but the Explorer is a damn fine looking car so that's hardly a bad thing. Half the price, too ;)

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[Babs]

To be fair, that's the old Explorer front end. I think he has a point, but the Explorer is a damn fine looking car so that's hardly a bad thing. Half the price, too ;)

115441



Whoah, that is close and from a distance I think he's right.

[~Rich~]

Interesting:
18" wheels only available on 4 cylinder model.
Mainly due to brake calipers.

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred

[Grentarc]

What I never got about the smaller brake package with smaller engine thing, is that the two models will still have the same GVM and rated towing capacity. So why the need for larger brakes?

Incidentally has anyone seen payload figures for the D5?

Here you go

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/352.jpg

The higher payload number is for 7 seat vehicles, lower for 5 seat.

[Grentarc]

Interesting:
18" wheels only available on 4 cylinder model.
Mainly due to brake calipers.

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred

According to the LR specs I just posted, the 2L 4cyl versions have the same brakes, yet SVO say otherwise?

[scarry]

According to the LR specs I just posted, the 2L 4cyl versions have the same brakes, yet SVO say otherwise?

Somewhere i read smaller 4 piston callipers,so rotors may be the same size.(for SVO)
Definitely different to the tech specs you posted as they all have identical callipers and rotors,as said.

[cripesamighty]

The SVX ingenium version is not listed there so I assume the above table is correct. When SVO release the SVX specs, I am willing to bet there will be a few changes from the standard version, including the brake package. At least, that's what I read into it....

[Grentarc]

Somewhere i read smaller 4 piston callipers,so rotors may be the same size.(for SVO)
Definitely different to the tech specs you posted as they all have identical callipers and rotors,as said.
So if we look at it that way, why not put the (hypothetical) SVX 4 pot calipers on the 3.0 and be done with it? Slim 4 pots instead of bulky 2 pot calipers would be my pick anyway. It's actually something I have be looking into (off and on) for my D4 to get a better choice of wheels.

[Bohica]

The Ingenium has more horse power and torque than a TD5! I'd get one of these in a D5 except that they will not supply my colour combinations, (Firenze red with leather seats) in the SE model. I don't have the spare cash for the HSE. Nor the base model.:D

[Stuart02]

Here you go

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/352.jpg

The higher payload number is for 7 seat vehicles, lower for 5 seat.


Gee looking at those stats I reckon the SD4 will be a very popular practical compromise if ppl can get past the 2.0l capacity - 1015 kg payload if I'm reading it right, along with 500nm and half a tonne less kerb weight than a D4, and the extra range over the 6 cylinder. It'll be impressive.

[Garfield]

Gee looking at those stats I reckon the SD4 will be a very popular practical compromise if ppl can get past the 2.0l capacity - 1015 kg payload if I'm reading it right, along with 500nm and half a tonne less kerb weight than a D4, and the extra range over the 6 cylinder. It'll be impressive.



Agree looks good on figures but really need to wait and see if does stand up to its potential. Still trying to get my head around how a 4cyl can be better than a 6cyl towing around this size 4WD ( even with the reduced TARE ). I'm trying to keep an open mind till I get to test drive one next year.

[Tombie]

Number of cylinders isn't really relevant - big torque 4 cyl are common.

Agree with Tare being only relevant to urban operating.

Once loaded to GVM is where the performance needs to be [emoji6]

[WhiteD3]

The Amorak TDI420 is a 2 litre, 4 cyl with 132 kW, 420nM, weighs 2020 kg and tows 3000kg.

The D5 is a 100kg heavier so even the poverty pack TD4 should be fine. If not, get the SD4 for showing off and the TD6 for (big) towing.

Makes sense to me.

I agree the SD4 seems (on paper) to be the pick. More so if you can option the TD6 bigger tank, although I'm not sure that 8 litres makes a difference in the real world.

[ozscott]

Now if they just (re) made an SD1...

Cheers

[PAT303]

Agree looks good on figures but really need to wait and see if does stand up to its potential. Still trying to get my head around how a 4cyl can be better than a 6cyl towing around this size 4WD ( even with the reduced TARE ). I'm trying to keep an open mind till I get to test drive one next year.

Remember when the D1 came out 26 or so years ago,every Tom Dick and Harry expert claimed the 2.5ltr engine was too small,didn't have enough power and they would never last?,498,634km's later mines still going like a train :cool:.Time's the great revealer,the D5 will prove to be just the same. Pat

[catch-22]

They were right in that the Td5 didn't have enough power [emoji3]

[Tombie]

They were right in that the Td5 didn't have enough power [emoji3]



The TD5 had more than ample power and torque.

The fact people are buying 3.0 SDV6s and still chasing more just shows mankinds insatiable stupidity.

Everyone is so impatient now [emoji6]

[catch-22]

You're dead right about that. I couldn't wait to respond despite that fact I have nothing interesting to say. [emoji3]

[DiscoMick]

Don't some experts claim that 500cc is about the perfect size for a cylinder? So, the Ingenuim would be right on the money.

[PAT303]

Keith Duckworth,the ''worth'' in Cosworth had 375cc as the best size in petrol engines. Pat

[LRD414]

I hadn't seen an image with roof rack until this article:
L.A. Auto Show 2016: Land Rover Discovery - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/laautoshow/la-fi-hy-la-auto-show-land-rover-discovery-20161116-story.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/338.jpg

Cheers,
Scott

[Milton477]

Surfboards are facing the wrong way.

[RHS58]

Or, surfboards correct, D5 wrong way?

[Babs]

Or, surfboards correct, D5 wrong way?



Ha ha ha. lol [emoji12]

[Bohica]

Surfboards are facing the wrong way.
It only looks back to front in Australia, the back to front country. Like with cricket scores and the direction the umpire points for a free kick in AFL. Although the way we've been going in the cricket the scores have looked normal for a while. :D

[gotaflat]

I hadn't seen an image with roof rack until this article:
L.A. Auto Show 2016: Land Rover Discovery - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/laautoshow/la-fi-hy-la-auto-show-land-rover-discovery-20161116-story.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/338.jpg

Cheers,
Scott

Price check in that article.. (in USD of course)

[ozscott]

It's quietly stuck in the sand.

[carlschmid2002]

How did it get there? there are no tyre tracks.

[Tombie]

How did it get there? there are no tyre tracks.



Haven't you heard of tread lightly [emoji48]

[Babs]

This time they dropped the D5 with Bear Grylls inside it from the plane

[Milton477]

How did it get there? there are no tyre tracks.

You can go anywhere with photoshop. Just remember to get the shadows right.

[catch-22]

However it got there, it's a handsome looking machine.

[Bohica]

Works out at $66,666. But here they start at $80,000!!

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[carlschmid2002]

However it got there, it's a handsome looking machine.

It does look good from that angle. From behind I am not so sure. I will have to check it out in the flesh.

[BobD]

How did it get there? there are no tyre tracks.
You can see the tyre tracks behind the front wheel where no one has been walking. The rear tyre tracks have been obliterated by the crowd of people that gathered to look at it and had been walking around it!!

[catch-22]

https://youtu.be/8WyDr1kix9k

Some really good angles in this vid..

[Babs]

Thanks for that, it was a good walk around.

I like it but it doesn't seem that big of an improvement over the current model.

Layout seems nice, electric seats would be handy but not real innovation breaking technology.

It's good to see they built a special forces soldier with Moccasins instead of steel cap boots, Land Rover ya bunch of Fairies nouncy boys.

[MrLandy]

It's good to see they built a special forces soldier with Moccasins instead of steel cap boots, Land Rover ya bunch of Fairies nouncy boys.

He he

[catch-22]

New Land Rover Discovery review: is it still the king on and off road? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/q0NeJkr6ito)

[scarry]

Hope they produce a right hand drive model.....

Even the vehicles on the LR Aus site are all left hand drive....

[catch-22]

2017 Land Rover Discovery First Look review | CarAdvice - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0u6sfd3o89s)

Some good angles in this review. I'm a big fan of the CarAdvice site and this is from their founder. He says that the car app can even start the mighty Disco....

I just can't get used to the industry calling these SUVs....

[catch-22]

2017 Land Rover Discovery Road Trip - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Mn4XuOhWRgI)


The end of the vid has a line up of all past discos. Looks really good...

[weeds]

Just noticed the auto deploying tow ball....would like to see that in the flesh.

[catch-22]

Just noticed the auto deploying tow ball....would like to see that in the flesh.

Not sure we'll get that.

[scarry]

So looks like tyre sizes same as D4,don't know if D4 wheels will fit though,offset could be different as well as stud pattern?

No 18's yet.

Also looks like for Aus market they will be 5 seater with 7 seats as an option.

[Graeme]

UK sites show tyre sizes with 31" diameter, the same diameter as the L405 and L494 eg 255/60R19, 255/55R20. L405 rims fit L322s so the stud pattern is the same but the offsets are slightly less positive.

[RHS58]

Auto deploying tow ball looks like it's flipping its willy out.