Discovery 5

[herrBlick]

I know all the talk is about the new Defender but I can't help feeling that a huge change is coming for us Discovery owners
Thoughts ?

[Marmoset]

From what I've read there's going to be a bit more focus on utility and flexibility, leaving the high spec models to take a back seat and let the range rover do the luxury thing......

[~Rich~]

Plenty of talk on this at Disco3.co.uk
Rumours only at this stage.

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - 2012 ....RIP D4 ...Hello 7 seat RRS (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic49263.html)

DISCO4.COM - View topic - French interpretation of 2015MY (http://www.disco4.com/forum/topic95117.html)

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - Disco 5 2015 links (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic96539.html)

[herrBlick]

I for one would be happy with the utility end of things ....plus bring back back the black plastic wheel arches ....you all know it looks better,6479664797

[~Rich~]

Funny you would show that.
I sprayed my road wheels with PlastiDip.
At least the brake dust wont show as much or eat into the alloys.
Havn't seen em on my D3 yet as I have my LTZ's on for a couple of trips.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/10/295.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/C4091F9C-13DD-4530-8040-C95460B87099-7773-00000478BF0B2FF6_zps4268e552.jpg.html)

Should look like this though:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/154.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/Blackrims_zps97bd1412.jpg.html)

[herrBlick]

Here's mine with Black rims done at wheel solutions, just looks great with the Black plastics
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[jon3950]

....plus bring back back the black plastic wheel arches ....you all know it looks better,

I wanted to fit the black arches to my 4, but after I recovered from getting a price for them decided not to. At the rate I'm going my arches will be black in few more months anyway from all the stone chips.

Cheers,
Jon

[Graeme]

I too looked at the cost of unpainted ones for my D4 because the painted ones would show scratches but decided they weren't cheap enough. My rears however were kindly repainted then covered with clear plastic protection when the lower tailgate was repainted to fix where the paint had been removed due to dust where the top section moves against the lower section.

[phl]

I actually like the body coloured wheel arches, as I feel the black looks like an after thought; but to each their own.

[SimmAus]

Here's mine with Black rims done at wheel solutions, just looks great with the Black plastics


Im liking the all back wheel look....If you don't mind me asking...what was the approx cost for the rims to be sprayed?

[herrBlick]

Im liking the all back wheel look....If you don't mind me asking...what was the approx cost for the rims to be sprayed?

Hello mate
Yes the guys at wheel solutions are great...you drop the car in the morning 8.30 and pick it up at 5 ...and all done including the green oval being perfectly framed in Black....all for the price of $180...... Bloody great value ....satin black is the way

[herrBlick]

I actually like the body coloured wheel arches, as I feel the black looks like an after thought; but to each their own.

Just in relation to the Discovery 5 being more utilitarian and defender like rather than range rover end of things,
The way I see it the disco 3 look gives a big hat tip to the Defender and the later models are getting close to range rovers,

Basically with all the Australian mods being made that's what we are doing, making our discovery's more utilitarian

Surely black plastic fenders are just that ........hard waring and durable,

Every decision that land rover make is not necessarily the correct one, they are good at looking back at designs from their past to gain inspiration but I believe that the defender should be just discontinued and its memory not be sullied by a crass upgrade,
A new type of car should be designed much like when the Discovery 3 came about, a new name and a diverse concept would be very much appreciated, imagine a discovery 3 striped back to the bare essentials with newly designed landrover mods for overland adventure coming in at $60,000, no more to spend (we know that there's always more to spend)
but really this could be done.

A good look at discovery owners mods would be a great place to start and see what the market wants, I know the South Africans have with there expedition ready disco ....I know it was poo poo,d on this forum but I think that it is the correct path to take,

Get rid of the carpet in the rear .....in fact everywhere !
Different variations (cab , cab crew , ute etc)
Spare wheel access
Dual battery fitted as standard
Go analogue for dials and dash
Go digital with the things that have been proven to work over The last 10 years
Over head cabin storage
The list goes on .....oh and BLACK PASTIC FENDERS......

We will always modify but it would be nice to have a base which you don't feel like your raping the craftsmanship of the maker in doing so......,
Example Bullbar ...I just can't do it to my Discovery

thoughts?

[Celtoid]

Just in relation to the Discovery 5 being more utilitarian and defender like rather than range rover end of things,
The way I see it the disco 3 look gives a big hat tip to the Defender and the later models are getting close to range rovers,

Basically with all the Australian mods being made that's what we are doing, making our discovery's more utilitarian

Surely black plastic fenders are just that ........hard waring and durable,

Every decision that land rover make is not necessarily the correct one, they are good at looking back at designs from their past to gain inspiration but I believe that the defender should be just discontinued and its memory not be sullied by a crass upgrade,
A new type of car should be designed much like when the Discovery 3 came about, a new name and a diverse concept would be very much appreciated, imagine a discovery 3 striped back to the bare essentials with newly designed landrover mods for overland adventure coming in at $60,000, no more to spend (we know that there's always more to spend)
but really this could be done.

A good look at discovery owners mods would be a great place to start and see what the market wants, I know the South Africans have with there expedition ready disco ....I know it was poo poo,d on this forum but I think that it is the correct path to take,

Get rid of the carpet in the rear .....in fact everywhere !
Different variations (cab , cab crew , ute etc)
Spare wheel access
Dual battery fitted as standard
Go analogue for dials and dash
Go digital with the things that have been proven to work over The last 10 years
Over head cabin storage
The list goes on .....oh and BLACK PASTIC FENDERS......

We will always modify but it would be nice to have a base which you don't feel like your raping the craftsmanship of the maker in doing so......,
Example Bullbar ...I just can't do it to my Discovery

thoughts?

I think its been discussed before but a chassis that can be 'modulated' would be a great concept.

Not a whole bunch of bits and bobs that can be added and removed when ordering the car.....although that would be great I suspect it might be uneconomical...but rationalised packages that start with the bare basics up to a full body with some decent creature comforts.

So maybe a handful of build-ups to choose from off the shelf.

D3 had a chassis that supported both springs and EAS...but I'm not sure if you could do either Independent Suspension or Live Axle on the same chassis (as an option). If you could you'd have a huge chunk of the market covered with the one platform.

[herrBlick]

Thoughts
http://www.caradvice.com.au/249762/2014-land-rover-discovery-new-v6-new-badge-march/

[scarry]

Don't forget we are a very small portion of the world market for LR.I do agree and have been saying for ages they need a base model disco.A model without all the whistles and bells.And can be fitted with 17'rims.

[Graeme]

...but still has air suspension although with better limp-home logic such as no lowering just because a fault is reported by the brake system.

[chuck]

Scarry

They already manufacture one for South Africa

D4 TDV6 coil sprung.

Trouble is no traction control however I do not follow the logic as the other manufacturers have traction control without air suspension.

[gghaggis]

Scarry

They already manufacture one for South Africa

D4 TDV6 coil sprung.

Trouble is no traction control however I do not follow the logic as the other manufacturers have traction control without air suspension.

It has traction control - it just doesn't have Terrain Response.

Cheers,

Gordon

[AnD3rew]

It's a nice idea n the surface a basic expedition ready Disco. But then I start thinking about what I would ditch as opposed to what I would add, and the first list is pretty short and the second is quite long.

Colored wheel arches yes I can live without
Air suspension - no
Terrain response - no
Electric windows - yes but they come standard in Kias now so why?
Stereo - no
Aircon - no
Leather seats -yes, no,maybe, they are actually pretty practical they don't absorb spills and wipe clean
17" wheels would be good as an option
Rear wheel carrier standard would be great
Aux tank standard like cruisers and Prados would be great

But I can't see it being cheap.

[tempestv8]

Next generation Disco (5?) will follow the footsteps of Range Rover and lose a significant amount of weight, according to recent press releases.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/191503/land-rover-discovery-5-lose-half-tonne/
http://www.carsuk.net/2014-land-rover-dicovery-5-to-lose-more-weight-than-2013-range-rover/

How they will do this is to get rid of the chassis, and so the new vehicle, which will be a clean sheet design, a steel based monocoque construction.

With about 400-500 kgs shaved off the weight of the vehicle, the existing power plants won't need to have a substantial power uplift just to keep up with the rest of the industry.

What I am hoping would happen is that the brakes get a bit smaller, since there is less stopping ability required with that much weight removed. Hopefully we will see a return to 17" wheels for an SDV6 powered Discovery, but that's just me thinking aloud.

[SBD4]

Interesting:

?There is a market for more off-road capability, so of course we're looking at it,? he said. ?In the US there's a wide snowbelt, in the Middle East there's extreme sand and in regions such as Australia and South Africa there is a need to cover very rugged terrain.

?There's a very interesting market for cars with usable capability,? he said. ?The established German luxury competitors are there, but we think there's an opportunity to offer something different and something more. We're well planned to develop and exploit opportunities in that market.?

Hard-core Land Rover Discovery on the way - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015/large-4x4/land-rover/discovery/hard-core-land-rover-discovery-on-the-way-51490)

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015/large-4x4/land-rover/discovery/hard-core-land-rover-discovery-on-the-way-51490

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/187.jpg

[Redback]

Abit of frontal protection and it's all good, although the styling doesn't do it for me, I don't like the Evoque or Disco Sport either, of coarse, there are alot that like this type of styling and a lot that won't add anything else, prefering to keep it stock and that's fine.

It's a start, at least they recognise there is a calling for this type of vehicle, maybe they have been lokking at what owners are doing to the D3 and D4 and previous Discos too.

Baz.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/187.jpg

Whatever ^^^^ is,, its not the next Disco.
its just a tarted up RRS.
and the next Disco wont be that.

I think the shape will be very similar to the 4. maybe a more rounded front, but still with the distinctive Disco headlights, no "eyebrows" here!

[SBD4]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/187.jpg

Whatever ^^^^ is,, its not the next Disco.
its just a tarted up RRS.
and the next Disco wont be that.

I think the shape will be very similar to the 4. maybe a more rounded front, but still with the distinctive Disco headlights, no "eyebrows" here!

Yes, Auto Car has just taken a previously released image and toughened up the look with a snorkel, bigger tyres, winch and some branding - it's just there to give people something to look at. Wheel articulation would certainly negate it as a viable candidate for the real thing. The acknowledgement that a tough, capable vehicle is warranted is what is interesting. That, and the fact that SVO are involved. I'm sure though, that a vehicle produced by SVO will not be cheap so that is an issue. It'll be interesting how they will differentiate it from the "new" defender.

[vbrab]

WA newspaper article the other day saying that LR had extended the production of the Defender for another year (due to increased sales, night have only been the 110).
In the article they showed an image of the likely future Defender replacement, and apart from only showing 2 doors, the image was quite similar to what is here.
Seeing as this image has a snorkel, it might be they are intending it to be more utilitarian and it may be a Defender replacement.

[Disco-tastic]

I think the 5 will take cues from the disco sport. It might not look like the render above but I expect it to be a fair bit different to the current disco.

I just hope they dont round off the tailgate. That utilitarian boxiness has been quite handy since the D1, and is one of the main differences style wise to the (previous model) range rovers.

Cheers

Dan

[rufusking]

My bet is it's a Discovery Sport (Freelander)

[AnD3rew]

If you think about it though, if they do a good job with the new Defender there there isn't really a need in the line up for a a hard core Disco. The main reason to buy a Disco now for someone who off roads is that the defender is so outdated in terms of comfort and safety that if you want a car for driving the family around during the week and the go off-road on the weekend then you have to choose the Disco.

If the new defender is rugged and utilitarian but has reasonably comfortable seats and cabin and 5 star safety, which you would imagine it will, then for the daily driver/ weekend off-roader it now becomes a real option, I reckon it's a reasonable bet you might even get EAS. You wold only go Disco, RRS if you are focussed on luxury with some off road ability out of the box.

I know if the new Defer is good I will buy a base/low model one (depending on what real off-road ability you get with higher models) and mod it to hell.

[jonesy63]

At a recent RR Club meeting, the product manager for JLR said that after the Defender production stops in December this year, there will be a "mourning period" of at least year. They don't want to bring out the new Defender for at least a year. A rugged Discovery might fill the gap - even if it is at a price premium. Although the D5 would probably be out at the same time as the new Defender... who knows! :angel:

[Melbourne Park]

There is also going to be a Jaguar SUV. Perhaps it will be based on the current RR Sport? I have no idea ...

But production of these vehicles is not based on bushability. It's based on profit. And the competitive advantage that the Disco has had over the RRS, is its great room - and its extra row of seats. And also, its cheaper. There are many many more Discos sold for the school run than are used for the bush.

IMO I hope the Defender comes out based on the current Disco platform. I presume the D5 will be 400kg lighter than today's, and that it will lack a chassis. Which IMO, means it will not be as tough. But it will be better for the school run.

Funny that most of the posts here want wheel arches painted ... current utes and SUVs dropped the wheel arches years ago. The 150 series dropped them for the Toyota Prado. Even though its chassis was the same (although the interior was a touch wider). Wheel arches just prove an old design guys - one where the wheels stick out from the body, which should be roomier if it was more modern, and swept out to be in line with the tyres. Land Rover use them for marketing style still though ... but painting them would cost a lot more money. When they were stuck on after the car was painted, they were black or grey because that was the cheapest solution. The cheapest solution is to build the arches as part of the body skin, and paint then all at once in the same colour. Stick out wheel arches are also poor for aerodynamics. They're gone guys. Get used to it.

Just hope the Defender is a real chassis or chassis/combined like the current Disco ... and that its get a descent motor.

I bought probably the last version of the D4, and I'm happy I did, because even if the D5 still has a chassis in it, and is all aluminium clad, and has greater articulation and goes up 12" from access mode (just dreaming there) I would not buy one for a few years anyway - I think first run models always have bugs in them and that happens with Mercedes, VW and Toyota too let alone Land Rover.

[~Rich~]

Spotted in South Africa this week:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/423.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/Land-Rover-Discovery.1-625x406_zpsjmsrt3fr.jpg.html)

The roof still may have the step in it:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/424.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/Land-Rover-Discovery.2-625x406_zpst2tupipd.jpg.html)

You can see the grille pattern and headlight shape in this shot:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/425.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/Land-Rover-Discovery.3-625x406_zpsos6pfiqr.jpg.html)

[LandyAndy]

I dont think I like that colour paint,whats it called broken zebra :confused::confused::confused:
Andrew

[Narangga]

I dont think I like that colour paint,whats it called broken zebra :confused::confused::confused:
Andrew

Broken Hill Zebra :wasntme:

[pop058]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/387.jpg

[scarry]

I dont think I like that colour paint,whats it called broken zebra :confused::confused::confused:
Andrew

It may get attacked by a lion:o:D

As i have said before,it will be a real shame the tailgate is gone.:(

The D3/4 has the best tailgate set up of any vehicle around IMHO :D

[LandyAndy]

It may get attacked by a lion:o:D

As i have said before,it will be a real shame the tailgate is gone.:(

The D3/4 has the best tailgate set up of any vehicle around IMHO :D

You are right.
I hitched up the camper trailer expecting not to be able to open the lower door with it hitched.Was very happy to see it was designed to be opened with a trailer,or is that horsebox :wasntme::wasntme::wasntme::wasntme: on the back:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[jon3950]

It may get attacked by a lion:o:D

As i have said before,it will be a real shame the tailgate is gone.:(

The D3/4 has the best tailgate set up of any vehicle around IMHO :D

I have mixed feelings about that. I agree its good, but I still miss the door on the D2. It would be nice sometimes to not have to reach over the tailgate to get into the back.

Maybe the RRS type that lifts completely up but you can just open the top as well. But yeah, the funny shape is good and adds to the character. I guess nothing's perfect.

Cheers,
Jon

[TerryO]

Good to know Jon that I'm not the only Disco owner on the planet who prefers the D1/2 rear door to the tail gate.

[RHS58]

I dont think I like that colour paint,whats it called broken zebra :confused::confused::confused:
Andrew

Kaleidoscopic Barcode.

[scarry]

I have mixed feelings about that. I agree its good, but I still miss the door on the D2. It would be nice sometimes to not have to reach over the tailgate to get into the back.

Maybe the RRS type that lifts completely up but you can just open the top as well. But yeah, the funny shape is good and adds to the character. I guess nothing's perfect.

Cheers,
Jon

I have always found the rear of a D2(i haven't had a D1),much easier to pack than the D4.The height was good as well,particularly if there was a cargo barrier fitted.

Jon,you will realise how spoilt you have been with the Disco rear door set ups once you get the Deefer.;)

[Disco4SE]

There is quite a bit of info on the Disco 5 when you do a google search.
Here is one 2016 Land Rover Discovery 5 - Cars News 2016 (http://2016carnews.com/2016-land-rover-discovery-5/)


Cheers, Craig

[AnD3rew]

There are upsides and downsides to the split tailgate, upsides are that you can sit on the back and even be a little undercover, you can use it us a kitchen bench or workbench, you can stand on it to access the roof, you can load the back up and just access through the top door without having all your stuff fall out.

The downside, there is really only one but it can be a pain, is that it can be much harder to get to stuff at the front of the load space without having to climb In the back. With the bottom door up you have to get over it and reach to the back, with the bottom door down, you start from a couple of feet further away. I am quite tall so I can imagine it is much worse for people of average and less than average height, although they might find it easier climbing into the back than I do.

[Aaron40]

I have always found the rear of a D2(i haven't had a D1),much easier to pack than the D4.The height was good as well,particularly if there was a cargo barrier fitted.

Jon,you will realise how spoilt you have been with the Disco rear door set ups once you get the Deefer.;)

Yep, it was easier to pack the D2 right up to that point when that bloody door would get caught in the wind with the weight of a 265/65 hanging on it and try to seperate your legs from your body....:mad:

[phl]

I have mixed feelings about that. I agree its good, but I still miss the door on the D2. It would be nice sometimes to not have to reach over the tailgate to get into the back.


I agree loading is a pain, but on the trip last Christmas, it was good to have somewhere dry to sit and have a cuppa out of the rain.

Also no problems with fingers when you are on a slope.

[Narangga]

There are upsides and downsides to the split tailgate, ...

TRUE! VERY TRUE! :D


And I concur with the rest of your post ;)

[TerryO]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/387.jpg


If indeed the D5 has this door configuration then one can only guess at how amazingly rigid and strong the cabin shell must be.

[RobA]

There are upsides and downsides to the split tailgate, upsides are that you can sit on the back and even be a little undercover, you can use it us a kitchen bench or workbench, you can stand on it to access the roof, you can load the back up and just access through the top door without having all your stuff fall out.

The downside, there is really only one but it can be a pain, is that it can be much harder to get to stuff at the front of the load space without having to climb In the back. With the bottom door up you have to get over it and reach to the back, with the bottom door down, you start from a couple of feet further away. I am quite tall so I can imagine it is much worse for people of average and less than average height, although they might find it easier climbing into the back than I do.

Agree this can be a PITA but after 15 years with Prado's we love the fold down and don't forget LC200 still has one

We fixed the access issue by designing and building a full size sliding tray for the rear which rolls out on 285kg slides so we can get at everything in the back as well as in the space where the 3rd row seats were.

Will try and post a pic as attachments as still can't get this to work for me

Rob

[jon3950]

Jon,you will realise how spoilt you have been with the Disco rear door set ups once you get the Deefer.;)

I suspect it won't just be the rear door.... :)

[AnD3rew]

TRUE! VERY TRUE! :D


And I concur with the rest of your post ;)

Hah, wish I could say I had done that deliberately.

[AnD3rew]

Agree this can be a PITA but after 15 years with Prado's we love the fold down and don't forget LC200 still has one

We fixed the access issue by designing and building a full size sliding tray for the rear which rolls out on 285kg slides so we can get at everything in the back as well as in the space where the 3rd row seats were.

Will try and post a pic as attachments as still can't get this to work for me

Rob

That's very cool, wish the pics were a bit bigger.

[RobA]

That's very cool, wish the pics were a bit bigger.

OK not sure what you mean by "bigger" but I have increased the resolution to 600x600

[shanegtr]

that's very cool!!!!

[LandyAndy]

Yes,very well done.With the 3rd row removed it would also give a good storage area.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

OK not sure what you mean by "bigger" but I have increased the resolution to 600x600

Now we can click on them and see them even bigger.
Thanks
Andrew

[RobA]

Shane thanks it is designed to be secured using the bolts that hold the tie-down hooks so is very easy to remove but equally is extremely strong and offers a very flexible platform for our use at least. It is the culmination, like our first D4, of around 20+ years of 4WD travel and experience. Built here in SA it is an easy fit into any D3 or D4 I would suspect.

Tie-down points are M6 nutserts so making the base platform even more flexible as all you need to do is place the nutserts to fit whatever you are carrying and as you can see from ours it is flexible allowing for almost anything to be carried with no real modifications

Rob

[Stuart02]

Shane thanks it is designed to be secured using the bolts that hold the tie-down hooks so is very easy to remove but equally is extremely strong and offers a very flexible platform for our use at least. It is the culmination, like our first D4, of around 20+ years of 4WD travel and experience. Built here in SA it is an easy fit into any D3 or D4 I would suspect.

Tie-down points are M6 nutserts so making the base platform even more flexible as all you need to do is place the nutserts to fit whatever you are carrying and as you can see from ours it is flexible allowing for almost anything to be carried with no real modifications

Rob

Top work. It'd allow for easier access to the spare wheel winder too I imagine?

[Stuart02]

Back to an earlier part of the most meandering thread ever - if companies can produce track versions of sports cars, with different brakes, wheels and tyres, body kits etc, and Jeep produce Trail Hawk versions of most of their offerings with varying degrees of increased bushability, even Ford's stripped down mining-fleet edition Ranger why can't all companies do likewise? I reckon a Camel Trophy RRS with standard rear e-diff lock, respectable all terrains (tickle up the suspension calibration if clearance is an issue) some bash plates and sliders maybe... roof platform... even perhaps a discreet winch, second battery... etc...would have some serious cachet?

[RobA]

Top work. It'd allow for easier access to the spare wheel winder too I imagine?

Stuart with the tray fully extended it is a very simple process of taking off the rubber seal, inserting the winder and lowering the spare. So one less thing to worry about. We spend a lot of time researching this before we firmed up the design and for our needs is perfect and I suspect would suit many other D3 and D4 owners.

As we tow and Ultimate camper we really have no need for a full blown rear storage system and with the 2nd row seats folded flat more than enough storage for an extended, 4 month, trip to the Kimberley and the rest of WA

Rob

[~Rich~]

Whats up with the rear lights going so far down the side?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/304.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/1520ed2e-5019-43bb-a9f3-b96bd8685b3e_zpsqp736xft.jpg.html)

[LRD414]

Similar to the Discovery Sport ... but perhaps a bit further around?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/303.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/304.jpg

Looks pretty cold there. Icicles behind rear wheel.

Scott

[SimmAus]

Whats up with the rear lights going so far down the side? Looks like a strange reflection / photo trickery to me

[irondoc]

That rear picture of the Disco5 doesn't make it look all that bad - still a bit square, ground clearance looks OK.......

[scarry]

Looks like a strange reflection / photo trickery to me

Or they go round the side a long way,similar to the latest RR,but maybe further,which IMHO is fugly.

[WhiteD3]

What about that rear glass though........much smaller and the lower bit is gone :(

[Pedro_The_Swift]

that whole rear glass bit/surround looks,, funny,,
I just hope they dont copy the C pillar from everybody else. Its bad enough the Sport looking like a territory.:mad:

[SBD4]

that whole rear glass bit/surround looks,, funny,,
I just hope they dont copy the C pillar from everybody else. Its bad enough the Sport looking like a territory.:mad:
They've got a shroud on the back window to disguise the rear end shape. It will likely be the same/similar as the D5 Concept:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/273.jpg

[DI5CO]

A little more info, I can see a big price difference now with all the new tech!
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/news/2016/4x4-Offroad/Land-Rover/Discovery/spy-pics-land-rover-discovery-unearthed-101040

[SimmAus]

Anyone else doing the "do I wait / don't I wait" argument in their head (or with SWMBO)...on this?
My D4 lease is almost up, and I'm soooooo tempted to jump into a new one; the D5 is scheduled out late 2016 but here in 2017 IIRC, but I'd personally want to wait a bit to iron out those annoying gremlins.

I know new models generally improve on the old, but I'm also starting to look a little sideways at shape, space, driving position of the D5 spy pics.
I wonder what the new Defender will be like? (!!)

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/land-rover/land-rover-new-2016-discovery-defender-and-more-to-come/

[chuck]

This was one of the reasons I bought last year.

The D5 will be out in Europe in late 16 but they are talking about 3rd quarter 17 here.

Add a year for the wait list to die down & pricing to become realistic i.e. some people are paying close to what I paid for my D4 for a Discovery Sport.

The they are also saying the D5 will be moving up market again similar to the difference between the D3 & D4 - so more expensive.

Then there is the Defender - this will not come out until 18 but they reckon it will be spectacular with many different models & body configurations.
They are saying that there will be existing D4 & future D5 owners that will prefer the new Defender.

So I would wait until there is more news on the Defender or D5 & if you don't like want you here buy a D4 which I am sure by then will have more included value.

[letherm]

, but I'd personally want to wait a bit to iron out those annoying gremlins.



I think you've hit the nail on the head here. New models "always" have problems to sort out. My late father worked at BMC who produced the Morris Mini, 1100, Austin 1800 etc in Australia. He always said to wait at least a year for things to settle down. So, with that in mind, I personally would be jumping now and looking at a D5 when it has been in production a couple of years. Just my 2 cents worth. :)

Martin

[rar110]

The new RRS seems to be ok (except doors opening). However, it's using a similar motor and transmission to the the L320. OK the new ones got more power in the SDV6.

The Discovery Sport is having a few problems but fairly trouble free. LR used a similar motor, transmission, suspension & diff to the Evoque. The motor is moving to the new Ingenium motor.

The D4 didn't have any real dramas when released. However, again LR used a similar motor and transmission to the D3. OK the 3.0 sequential turbo was new. LR also used this strategy on the Evoque when they initially used a similar motor, transmission and diff to the Freelander 2.

I'm tipping the D5 will come out with a similar motor & transmission as the new RRS. The RRS will get the 6 cylinder Ingenium first. The D5 will probably have a cheaper high range version like the new RRS. IMO the D5 is likely to get the hybrid like the RRV & RRS. It's just good marketing.

[AnD3rew]

For me, if the Defender comes out with 5 star crash and air suspension, and I am betting on both then it will be new Defender for me.

[SBD4]

I was in the same quandary in December. I ended up going for the new RRS. While it's a beautiful car and great to drive I do not have the same feeling for it as I did when I got the D4 5 years ago - funnily, I feel like a bit of a fraud driving it. If I am in a position to, I would like to go for the defender when this lease is up in 5 years (if I don't sell it before hand). That will allow plenty of time to pass for gremlins in both new vehicles to be sorted out.

In short, buy the car you want now to see you past the introduction of the D5 or Defender, then take it from there.

PS RAR110, there are no 2WD RRS'. the cheaper ones have no low range that's all which means they don't have rock crawl on their terrain response systems.

[chuck]

I nearly bought a povo pack RRS for very little more than the D4.

I too am eagerly awaiting the new Defender.

Hopefully now they have finished production of the old one they might start drip feeding information on the new one.

[LRD414]

In short, buy the car you want now to see you past the introduction of the D5 or Defender, then take it from there.
This is exactly how I'm thinking. In an ideal world I would have a D4 that's say 5 or 6 years old and well set up that I could look after and hold on to, plus get either a D5 or Defender that is by then a few years through teething issues and that most appeals or offers something different to the D4. I'm thinking that I will find it very difficult to get rid of this D4.

But if I was needing to turn over the D4 shortly, I'd certainly get another one and see what happens. I spose they rely on there being plenty of people who are happy to be early adopters.

Scott

[SimmAus]

My current D4 is by far the best car I have ever owned; whilst she is only 4 years old I can't help but be tempted by a new car ( a massive case of want over need I think).
It's a bit of "no mans land at present"..hold onto the D4 or upgrade at expense for the next 3-4 years to a new D4; whilst the D5 / new Defender sort themselves out...
Glad, in a somewhat perverse way, to hear that others have had the same dilemma ;-)

Cheers

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The 4cyl Ingenium been running around for 6 months now,,
surely the V6 will be used in the D5 from the start.

[rar110]

PS RAR110, there are no 2WD RRS'. the cheaper ones have no low range that's all which means they don't have rock crawl on their terrain response systems. Sorry, yes I knew that. Confused myself with the other brands offerings. Thanks.

[LandyAndy]

If they make me a good offer at the end of my lease,I wouldnt hesitate to upgrade and get a newie.Love this one to bits.
Andrew

[rar110]

I was in the same quandary in December. I ended up going for the new RRS. While it's a beautiful car and great to drive I do not have the same feeling for it as I did when I got the D4 5 years ago - funnily, I feel like a bit of a fraud driving it. If I am in a position to, I would like to go for the defender when this lease is up in 5 years.

Mate, I know what your saying with the Range Rover decal. I felt, it's a bit posh for me, coming from a 1989 110. My soon to be 8 yr old RRV is a great car. I'm enjoying it a lot, on and occasionally off road. I have days where I occasionally get the bird but never a defender wave. Oh well.

Re the new Defender I will be very interested in what they produce. I think they will call it something else, not a defender. They're not in the defence game anymore. The lease is up on the RRV in 2019. I will probably sit back and listen to the feedback. I think the povo pack it will be like a Prado Kakadu. Coils and terrain response. The up spec wagons will have EAS. A bit like the D3 S & SE.

Back to the topic I think the D5 will be very much like a RRS.

[SBD4]

Back to the topic I think the D5 will be very much like a RRS.

I agree which is partly why I am thinking Defender but this sounds promising (and expensive) - if they are planning this for the discovery brand then the defender has to be at least as good:

Hard-core Land Rover Discovery on the way - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/hard-core-land-rover-discovery-on-the-way-51490/)

[DI5CO]

Yeah, and probably over $100k[emoji31][emoji24] lol

[phl]

Hard-core Land Rover Discovery on the way - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/hard-core-land-rover-discovery-on-the-way-51490/)

That would be tempting, but if the non-SVX version is as good as the current D4 off-road, then it may make more sense to modify it yourself, as you'd know better than them what type of off-road you do.

[Meken]

That would be tempting, but if the non-SVX version is as good as the current D4 off-road, then it may make more sense to modify it yourself, as you'd know better than them what type of off-road you do.


But with a "factory" mod you get no issues with warranty.
Adjustments to suspension geometry to increase clearance & rti, so that it can be like a defender [emoji13]

[DI5CO]

But with a "factory" mod you get no issues with warranty.
Adjustments to suspension geometry to increase clearance & rti, so that it can be like a defender [emoji13]


Let's hope the factory mod bullbar won't be like the current D4 factory one. What a joke! Lol
That's the trouble with factory mods is they can be pretty crap!

[phl]

Let's hope the factory mod bullbar won't be like the current D4 factory one. What a joke! Lol
That's the trouble with factory mods is they can be pretty crap!

It must have looked good to someone... Hence my comment on doing my own mods rather than taking something from the factory.

[LRD414]

There's an interesting article in this thread that perhaps indicates the way Land Rover are heading for the D5 transmission.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/232548-dual-clutch-no-transfer-box.html
Direct link to article:
DrivelineNews.com ? Land Rover Gives New Dimensions to DCT (http://www.drivelinenews.com/transmission-insight/land-rover-gives-new-dimensions-to-dct/?utm_soruce=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=February2016)

Or perhaps it would debut on Range Rovers before trickling down to Discovery.

Scott

[scarry]

There's an interesting article in this thread that perhaps indicates the way Land Rover are heading for the D5 transmission.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/232548-dual-clutch-no-transfer-box.html
Direct link to article:
DrivelineNews.com ? Land Rover Gives New Dimensions to DCT (http://www.drivelinenews.com/transmission-insight/land-rover-gives-new-dimensions-to-dct/?utm_soruce=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=February2016)

Or perhaps it would debut on Range Rovers before trickling down to Discovery.

Scott

The article mentions it being in the new Deefer.

Interesting;)

[WhiteD3]

Seeing more "spy" pics online (inflated disco sport) and a late 2016 (mid 2017 here I'll bet) date but not much in the way of fact.

[Disco Muppet]

Local dealer told me that the 2017 release is more like a D4a update, with the newer model coming later.

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[LRD414]

Just noticed this article:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rss-news-feeds/236385-2017-land-rover-discovery-spied-inside-out.html

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/05/168.jpg

Cheers,
Scott

[WhiteD3]

The forward placed cup holder is enough incentive for me. I've always thought the D4 internal ergonomics was a step backwards from the D3.

[catch-22]

With the looks of the Disco and RRS blending, be keen to see how they keep the lines of the product as separate offerings...

[shanegtr]

wonder if the emergency stop button will be a factory option :D

[SimmAus]

wonder if the emergency stop button will be a factory option :D
Yes, for the "bargain" LR price of $1,995.
;-)

[ozscott]

In some ways it looks great...in other ways it looks a bit...Mitsubishi.

Cheers

[LandyAndy]

In some ways it looks great...in other ways it looks a bit...Mitsubishi.

Cheers

Nah,looks very much new RRS,lets hope its a tad bigger.
Andrew

[LRD414]

Nah,looks very much new RRS,lets hope its a tad bigger.

Agree with this. There's a lot of resemblance across the current models and it seems the D5 will continue the family trend closely.

Scott

[ozscott]

Its a Mitsi! Haha. I think when it hits the road it will look slick but it will no longer be quite as unique a shape as D4 that's for sure.

Cheers

[Disco-tastic]

I hope they keep the split rear tailgate and funny shaped window. Makes it instantly recognisable. Doubt it'll happen tho :(

Cheers

Dan

[Pedro_The_Swift]

as long as it doesnt have the Sports god-awfull C pillar

[scarry]

I hope they keep the split rear tailgate and funny shaped window. Makes it instantly recognisable. Doubt it'll happen tho :(

Cheers

Dan

I was hoping the same,but it appears to be gone:(

IMHO,the full lift up door is no where near as handy

[Stuart02]

I was hoping the same,but it appears to be gone:(

IMHO,the full lift up door is no where near as handy

The split tail gate is the one concession the Toyota-loving journalists all without fail give the Disco

[rar110]

I was hoping the same,but it appears to be gone:( IMHO,the full lift up door is no where near as handy

The split tail gate was kept on the L405, but I think it's gone on the D5.

[discojools]

I hope they keep the completely flat rear when the 2nd row back seats are down. In the new RRS and Disco Sport the seat backs do not fold flat. One of the best things about D3/D4.. Also split tailgate.

[DI5CO]

It looks big in this!
http://youtu.be/mWTuee1bcBw

[SBD4]

This follows on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73D41eLN7wA

[Meken]

Is that tow receiver up where a Mitch hitch sits so no more Plough?

[catch-22]

Do they look like 18s? Apart from them being black (most black wheels look crap), I like the look of them.

[phl]

Looks like the hump is still there, but that can't be the V6 unless it's a petrol.

[WhiteD3]

I am underwhelmed but hopeful. If its just an inflated Disco sport or a RR sport with higher roofline I'm not sure I could do it. Having said that the D4 does look dated in comparison.

[jonesy63]

This follows on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73D41eLN7wA

I hope they're testing it offroad! (What a novel idea!) :wasntme::wasntme:

The styling and feature set hasn't won me over. They've taken away so many of the utility features and added more (subjective) "style" and ability to drive fast around the track. That's not what I want in a 4wd!

[LRD414]

I hope they're testing it offroad! ..... ability to drive fast around the track.
Rob, I've seen similar videos of the D3 back in the day going around the ring.
I assume this type of testing is required for compliance, road holding safety, etc.

One of the impressive things about the D3/D4 to me is it's capability both on-road and off-road and I'm hopeful that the D5 will be a continuance of that.
Anyway, video of off-road testing would be much easier to keep under wraps by staying on private land.
Although, how do they test ability to handle harsh desert/corrugations/etc ? If they brought one out here someone would see it, so don't know.

Having said all that, I agree that some styling decisions could lead to reduced load carrying capability or general visibility. And minimum wheel size remains a concern.

Cheers,
Scott

[scarry]

Many manufacturers,even some European now have a 5 yr warranty,some 150k,others 200k,I wonder if they will go there?

Somehow I doubt it,in fact for a bit of trivia they were(LR) one of the last to go to the three year/100 k warranty which is standard today.Actually the first of the D2 model had a 2 yr 60k warranty.

[LandyAndy]

The tyres certainly look like they have some sidewall:cool::cool::cool::cool:
V6???? I thought they were an inginum L6.
Andrew

[Grentarc]

The tyres certainly look like they have some sidewall:cool::cool::cool::cool:
V6???? I thought they were an inginum L6.
Andrew

They are probably a 31" tyre compared the the D4's 30" - so a 245/60R20 will have a 147mm sidewall - 255/55R19 has 140mm sidewall

[ozscott]

Didn't know that about D2. My 01 had a 100k 3 year warranty. I did 120k in that 3 yr period and all they had to do was change the front Springs that had sagged and fix the seat pad where a spring was getting a bit excited and pokey. Cheers

[carlschmid2002]

The tyres certainly look like they have some sidewall:cool::cool::cool::cool:
V6???? I thought they were an inginum L6.
Andrew

I believe LR have gone to the straight 6.

[BMKal]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-land-rover-discovery-tested-n%C3%BCrburgring


According to this article, the diesel engine on release will be an updated version of the current 3.0-litre SDV6 diesel.

"Later in the Discovery's life, engines from the Ingenium family could find their way into the car, either in current four-cylinder form with mild hybrid systems, or in V6 guise, if JLR further develops the new modular engine technology, as is widely expected."

Can't see any mention of a straight 6 diesel. ;)

[LandyAndy]

2017 Land Rover Discovery tested on the N?rburgring | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-land-rover-discovery-tested-n%C3%BCrburgring)


According to this article, the diesel engine on release will be an updated version of the current 3.0-litre SDV6 diesel.

"Later in the Discovery's life, engines from the Ingenium family could find their way into the car, either in current four-cylinder form with mild hybrid systems, or in V6 guise, if JLR further develops the new modular engine technology, as is widely expected."

Can't see any mention of a straight 6 diesel. ;)

All depends who is guessing Brian.I have read links on here saying it will be in there.I guess its keep guessing until the factory spills the beans;););););)
Andrew

[Lindisfarne]

Recent photos with less camouflage.

SCOOP! We've Spotted The New Discovery 5 Barely Disguised | LRO.com UK (http://www.lro.com/news/land-rover/1606/scoop!-weve-spotted-the-new-discovery-5-barely-disguised/)

[Graeme]

There appears to be sky light from under the rear spoiler, hopefully to overcome the dust accumulation problem of the L405 and L494.

[vbrab]

Those low profile tyres look like they will be just what we need outback and off-road.....I think not.
So even with hi-tec terrain controls, likely it is still going be about the urban/sealed road user.
So, still need a Defender replacement.

[hey_burgs]

I was in San Francisco last week, sitting down at Fisherman's Wharf doing the tourist thing and then BAM... a zebra-wrapped Disco 5 rolls on by. Couldn't believe it! A couple of other guys met in town saw it that day also.

[catch-22]

Might have been an actual zebra disguised as a Range Rover sport.

[~Rich~]

Or these shots off DISCO5.co.uk

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/212.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/D3/normal_d5mr2-0_zpstp72f1v8.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/207.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/D3/normal_d5mr1-0_zpsiexycrfg.jpg.html)

[MrLandy]

Oh look, another generic luxury soft roader SUV masquerading as a Land Rover. Seriously?

[Disco Muppet]

So don't buy one :rolleyes:

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[Slunnie]

I was in San Francisco last week, sitting down at Fisherman's Wharf doing the tourist thing and then BAM... a zebra-wrapped Disco 5 rolls on by. Couldn't believe it! A couple of other guys met in town saw it that day also.
How did it look in the flesh?

[scarry]

How did it look in the flesh?

What,didn't you read MrLandys post:p:D

And to me looks like a Disco Sport on steroids.

The whole family seems to look very similar,that is from Disco sport through to FFRR.

Don't know if that is good or bad

[shanegtr]

What,didn't you read MrLandys post:p:D

And to me looks like a Disco Sport on steroids.

The whole family seems to look very similar,that is from Disco sport through to FFRR.

Don't know if that is good or bad
I agree, they all look to similar for my liking. I much prefer them to be completly different to each other.

[Slunnie]

What,didn't you read MrLandys post:p:D

And to me looks like a Disco Sport on steroids.

The whole family seems to look very similar,that is from Disco sport through to FFRR.

Don't know if that is good or bad

In the flesh, not in pictures. :D

[Celtoid]

Or these shots off DISCO5.co.uk

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/212.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/D3/normal_d5mr2-0_zpstp72f1v8.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/207.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/D3/normal_d5mr1-0_zpsiexycrfg.jpg.html)

I recon it might still have a split Tailgate, looking at the lines on that rear shot.

[catch-22]

The more I look the more I'm coming around to the shape. Actually, it's gone a little beyond that.....I'm really looking forward to getting in one.....

[Disco-tastic]

I recon it might still have a split Tailgate, looking at the lines on that rear shot.

Oh yeah!!! I didn't see that! I'll never afford one but I'm super excited that feature remains!

Cheers

Dan

[LRD414]

I recon it might still have a split Tailgate, looking at the lines on that rear shot.
Well I hope so. It does look like a split line in both this photo ....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/207.jpg

.... and faintly in this one ....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/208.jpg

However, looking at the L405 rear end and the outline of its tailgate ....
There's a large gap at the bottom of the lower tailgate for where it rotates to horizontal:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/209.jpg

The gap in the D5 spy pictures is not as large, especially towards each bottom corner.
This could just be the disguise wrap partially covering edges.

So there's hope yet.

Scott

[Celtoid]

Well I hope so. It does look like a split line in both this photo ....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/207.jpg

.... and faintly in this one ....
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/208.jpg

However, looking at the L405 rear end and the outline of its tailgate ....
There's a large gap at the bottom of the lower tailgate for where it rotates to horizontal:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/209.jpg

The gap in the D5 spy pictures is not as large, especially towards each bottom corner.
This could just be the disguise wrap partially covering edges.

So there's hope yet.

Scott

See the way the RR horizontal tailgate lines are straight and the D5 has a drop to a low section under the REGO Plate and then up again? That could be cosmetic disguise or design, but it's similar in lines to the D4 with it's current non-symmetrical lower tailgate section.

Seems like an extravagant design feature .... so yes, fingers crossed.

[LRD414]

See the way the RR horizontal tailgate lines are straight and the D5 has a drop to a low section under the REGO Plate and then up again?
That could be cosmetic disguise or design, but it's similar in lines to the D4 with it's current non-symmetrical lower tailgate section.
Seems like an extravagant design feature .... so yes, fingers crossed.
Agreed, I did notice that .... initially thinking it's a direct reference to the D3/4 tailgate asymmetrical shape.
But it could also be just a cosmetic reference within a one-piece tailgate.

Anyway, that's probably enough on that .... :coplight: .... nerd alert according to my wife.

Scott

[Graeme]

Looks like reversing lights inboard from the other lights on both vehicles and the 2nd picture has a quite jagged tailgate edge adjacent to the bottom of the lights - lots of temporary disguise panels.

[MrLandy]

Seriously? You guys are placing your hopes and dreams in a tailgate split?

Fanboy nerd alert indeed!

The D5 looks just like any number of utterly boring SUV lightweights from many brands, let alone every other Land Rover vehicle. Baby, mini, middie, maxi me. Clearly Land Rover designers have no imagination whatsoever. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Bland is the only word that comes to mind.

[scarry]

I recon it might still have a split Tailgate, looking at the lines on that rear shot.

I noticed that and was hoping as well,or maybe the option of either:)

[Disco Muppet]

Thank you for that positive and meaningful contribution Mr Landy, aulro is all about a sense of community and mutual respect.
I'm sure the Disco5 owners who understand the heritage of Land Rover will look upon your Defender admirably and offer you that same level of respect and courtesy.
:)

Back in Topic.
The rear doesn't do a huge amount for me but I'll reserve my opinion until some aftermarket gear comes out for them :cool:

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[MrLandy]

Thank you for that positive and meaningful contribution Mr Landy, aulro is all about a sense of community and mutual respect.
I'm sure the Disco5 owners who understand the heritage of Land Rover will look upon your Defender admirably and offer you that same level of respect and courtesy.
:)

Back in Topic.
The rear doesn't do a huge amount for me but I'll reserve my opinion until some aftermarket gear comes out for them :cool:

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It was a deliberately negative, yet meaningful comment IMO and entirely on topic. I think Land Rover designers have lost the plot and if a tailgate split is all that's left to celebrate from Disco 4 it's a sad day indeed. And if you need to reserve your opinion on the design of the rear of the vehicle until some aftermarket equipment comes out, I rest my case.

Many people roundly criticise Defender almost everyday on this forum. Their opinions are equally valid. Afterall if everyone just liked everything there wouldn't be much need for discussion. Critique and ribbing each other is an integral part of this forum, just as cameraderie and celebration are too.

Cheers,

[Disco Muppet]

I know, I was being passive aggressive :p
The world changes. It loses a little bit of romance, sure.
While the world keeps changing, those that stand still amongst the sands of time are doomed to be buried.
Sad, yes. True though.

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[MrLandy]

I know, I was being passive aggressive :p
The world changes. It loses a little bit of romance, sure.
While the world keeps changing, those that stand still amongst the sands of time are doomed to be buried.
Sad, yes. True though.

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Indeed.

However, imitation, sameness and repetition are all examples of the world standing still, being swallowed by the sands of time.

(I can't tell if it's a D5, a Holden Captiva, a BMW, a VW Tiguan, or a Volvo from the rear).

And yet, the reed in the river that bends with the flow as the waters rush by, yet stands firm and is true to itself, is very long lived.

Land Rover used to be like the reed in the river. Alas no more.

[Disco Muppet]

Eventually even the strongest reeds break or end up underwater.
Things look the same for as long as that's the look that's 'above the water', so to speak.
With each year comes New rules about pedestrian safety, ADRs, etc etc. The D5 is no different to any other car, it needs to play by the rules if it wants to be on the road, and if it's not allowed on the road it won't sell, and if it won't sell, land rover don't make any money off it.

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[scarry]

Specsaver some may say?

No, you are correct,half the cars on the road are difficult to determine what brand they are,the similarities are ridiculous.

LR are no different,is it a D5,RRS,or RR,difficult to tell,particularly from a distance,and from some angles.

Bigger visual differences would be good,but the designers obviously don't think so.

In fact IMHO,similarities confuse the general public.

Many still associate LR with the defender shape,and nothing else,because it is so different to the latest crop of vehicles.

[Celtoid]

I don't know what all you guys are on about. I just want the split tailgate so that I can stand on the bloody thing to heave myself onto the roof rack when I'm off camping.

Didn't say the front or any other part of the car isn't important ... I just think the split tail is a bloody good idea.

The top hatch also keeps the rain off my Latte, whilst sitting admiring the view .... Or it would if I drank latte ..... LOL!!! ;-)

[carlschmid2002]

I don't know what all you guys are on about. I just want the split tailgate so that I can stand on the bloody thing to heave myself onto the roof rack when I'm off camping.

Didn't say the front or any other part of the car isn't important ... I just think the split tail is a bloody good idea.

The top hatch also keeps the rain off my Latte, whilst sitting admiring the view .... Or it would if I drank latte ..... LOL!!! ;-)

I have had all types of tailgates in different branded 4wds and the Disco 3 is the best. Great place to stand as you said, change nappies, sit and drink coffee, sit and watch country footy matches or have a picnic. I wouldn't like a car without it now. With the D3 you can even select your height.

[scarry]

So if it doesn't have a tailgate,then they haven't listened to those who actually use their vehicles for what they are supposed to be used for again:(

Now if you do want a tailgate there is always the that other brand,now what was it...:(:D

[Nicky]

So if it doesn't have a tailgate,then they haven't listened to those who actually use their vehicles for what they are supposed to be used for again:(

Now if you do want a tailgate there is always the that other brand,now what was it...:(:D

....but no-one has the asymmetrical tailgate (D3 D4, where you can sit in the rain and decide on your next move).
What odds the D5 won't have this asymmetrical practicality.

[Babs]

Cool, me thinks it Looks Great :p

This D5 could be a good thing. I hope it's still a 7 seater.

I hear they're keeping production of D4 and renaming it Defender :p :D

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[ozscott]

No Babs that is only a viscous rumour from Mr LR.

Cheers

[scarry]

That should save them a few $$$ on R&D:D

And they will probably rename it Defender 2

The Defender enthusiasts will be amazed at how much better it is than the last model.:D:D

[chuck]

South African base version of current D4 would not be a bad starting point.

[Babs]

That should save them a few $$$ on R&D:D And they will probably rename it Defender 2 The Defender enthusiasts will be amazed at how much better it is than the last model.:D:D

Ha ha ha :) Defender 2, I love it.

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[Celtoid]

There's a picci of a Special Purpose Vehicle on wiki for Special Forces type people, that is based on the D4 chassis ..... looks the business.


Important factor in the Defender folks mind .... so maybe Defender 2 suits .... LOL!!!

[Babs]

There's a picci of a Special Purpose Vehicle on wiki for Special Forces type people, that is based on the D4 chassis ..... looks the business. Important factor in the Defender folks mind .... so maybe Defender 2 suits .... LOL!!!

Links or pics????????

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[Babs]

Found it........

http://supacat.com/products/lrv400/

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[Disco-tastic]

Looks a little different to a D4!

I want a 6x6!

Cheers

Dan

[Celtoid]

Found it........

LRV 400 - Supacat - High mobility vehicles (http://supacat.com/products/lrv400/)

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Thanks for finding that .... was in a bit of a rush. :-)

[Celtoid]

Looks a little different to a D4!

I want a 6x6!

Cheers

Dan

Yeah, the stage make up and party frock have been removed :-)

There is an illustration on the site that Babs located that indicates a 6 wheeler ... but I imagine that's more on the wish list but probably do'able.

Would be interesting to see if it's more than just a demo and can actually perform .... I imaging it's dropped a shed load of weight from a D4.

[Disco-tastic]

Haha its a pretty comfy frock.

The fact they use the 8spd auto and 3.0L diesel says a bit about the running gear...

I should clarify that i want a 6x6 d4 Dual Cab...

Cheers

Dan

[Celtoid]

Haha its a pretty comfy frock.

The fact they use the 8spd auto and 3.0L diesel says a bit about the running gear...

I should clarify that i want a 6x6 d4 Dual Cab...

Cheers

Dan

That's a Defender 2 option :D:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

this wont be far off finished,,
Future Land Rover spotted testing in west of Ireland (http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/future-land-rover-spotted-testing-in-west-of-ireland-1.2713828)

[Grentarc]

this wont be far off finished,,
Future Land Rover spotted testing in west of Ireland (http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/future-land-rover-spotted-testing-in-west-of-ireland-1.2713828)

Notice the single piece tailgate?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

oh yea,,,:o

[Disco-tastic]

I was thinking it looked more like that range rover coupe they've been talking about...

There's been a few D5 sightings with way less camo. Why would they camo it up so much again?

Or maybe im just clutching at split (tailgate) straws...

Cheers

Dan

[Babs]

I don't think that's the D5, if it is it won't be a seven seater.

Oh I have a funny feeling the D4 platform is the basis for the next Defender, it would make sense especially if this is the way the D5 is going.

Whoa I am really so anxious to see what the new Defender will be :p

They are going to have to have something in the line up that caters for 7 seats, wether it be D5 or Defender.

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[Graeme]

Perhaps just a Sport to add to the guesswork.

[Celtoid]

Notice the single piece tailgate?



Oh yeah ..... that is disappointing :angry:

[Grentarc]

Perhaps just a Sport to add to the guesswork.

I think you are correct - the rear slopes much more than the D5 and I can't see a stepped roof line

[scarry]

Oh yeah ..... that is disappointing :angry:

True,as i have said before.:mad:

Could be the new Defender:D

But don't tell Mr Landy:D

As Graeme said,it could be a sport and probably is.

[Babs]

True,as i have said before.:mad: Could be the new Defender:D But don't tell Mr Landy:D As Graeme said,it could be a sport and probably is.

Ha ha ha :) Scarry. Our secret

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[MrLandy]

:) You do realise don't you, that if you guys are right, you're agreeing with what I've been predicting all along? :cool:

[Babs]

:) You do realise don't you, that if you guys are right, you're agreeing with what I've been predicting all along? :cool:

Really?

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[MrLandy]

Really?

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Really.

[Babs]

Really.


We will have to agree to agree then :D :)

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[scarry]

:) You do realise don't you, that if you guys are right, you're agreeing with what I've been predicting all along? :cool:

:D;)

i recon it is running on 19's,with massive brakes,so must be Defender 2:o:D

[Babs]

:D;) i recon it is running on 19's,with massive brakes,so must be Defender 2:o:D

Ha ha ha :)

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[MrLandy]

:) I knew you'd come round. :D ...shame we so t find out til at least 2020

[MrLandy]

:D;)

i recon it is running on 19's,with massive brakes,so must be Defender 2:o:D

It is, but it's not Defender, it's the new Disco-Lite making way for Defender to replace Disco 4 in JLR's New line-up for hipster beardy's = Defender-Lite. :p

[scarry]

It is, but it's not Defender, it's the new Disco-Lite making way for Defender to replace Disco 4 in JLR's New line-up for hipster beardy's = Defender-Lite. :p

What about Defender Sport.....:angel:

Fits in well with the rest of the family

[WhiteD3]

We can only hope............

Pricing won't wander too far away from today's Discovery 4, so expect the base 3.0 V6 diesels to kick off from about $70,000, topping out at $100,000 for the flagship variants.

2017 Land Rover Discovery 5 spy pics (http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/1608/2017-land-rover-discovery-5-spy-pics)

[MrLandy]

Frumpy-luxe clone.

[ozscott]

It really doesn't inspire but I suppose with pedestrian protection, wind taming etc they are all going to look basically the same. Doesn't do anything for me. Cheers

[scarry]

We can only hope............

Pricing won't wander too far away from today's Discovery 4, so expect the base 3.0 V6 diesels to kick off from about $70,000, topping out at $100,000 for the flagship variants.

2017 Land Rover Discovery 5 spy pics (http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/1608/2017-land-rover-discovery-5-spy-pics)

I don't believe that at all.

Compared with the last model,its bigger,lots of alloy,more up market,more tech,not much of a price increase?

We can only hope.

Unless it also comes out in a very base model.

Actually,the flagship current model D4 is well over $100k.

[rar110]

I think it will have to be priced under the L494 by a fair margin. Given its a similar design the L494 is a good bench mark.

The L494 is about $100k drive away retail. But that's without a dual range box. I'm betting the D5 base will also be single range.

The new Defender will be closer to a base D4 in appointments and tech, but with what ever small diesel they the entry level D5 has. So the fast very capable cars with lots of lux are for the mega rich. They have already hinted they will push up the L405 in price and appointments.

[gorby]

I've just had these pics come across my desk this morning:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

With the following press release:
New Discovery is Coming

First sight of Land Rover's new full-sized, seven-seat SUV
Created with absolute versatility, capability and technology like no other
Continues the Land Rover Above and Beyond journey
New Discovery world premiere: 28th September 2016 ahead of the Paris Motor Show

London, 6th September 2016: The New Discovery embodies Land Rover's drive to go Above and Beyond, combining British desirability with an unstoppable spirit of adventure.

Gerry McGovern, Land Rover's Chief Design Officer said: ?New Discovery redefines the large SUV. Land Rover's design and engineering teams have revolutionised the Discovery DNA to create a highly desirable, extremely versatile and hugely capable premium SUV.?

[LRD414]

And this on Instagram
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/938.jpg

Cheers,
Scott

[ozscott]

I've just had these pics come across my desk this morning:
http://adventure-suv.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/disco5-linage.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

With the following press release:
New Discovery is Coming

First sight of Land Rover's new full-sized, seven-seat SUV
Created with absolute versatility, capability and technology like no other
Continues the Land Rover Above and Beyond journey
New Discovery world premiere: 28th September 2016 ahead of the Paris Motor Show

London, 6th September 2016: The New Discovery embodies Land Rover's drive to go Above and Beyond, combining British desirability with an unstoppable spirit of adventure.

Gerry McGovern, Land Rover's Chief Design Officer said: ?New Discovery redefines the large SUV. Land Rover's design and engineering teams have revolutionised the Discovery DNA to create a highly desirable, extremely versatile and hugely capable premium SUV.?
Gee that Second one from the rear looks smart. When are they introducing that? Cheers

[gorby]

Gee that Second one from the rear looks smart. When are they introducing that? CheersNice one :D[bigrolf]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

check the difference in bonnet to ground height!!
and frontal area!!

D1 To whatever that thing is--

[ramblingboy42]

I think it looks great.

I know it will perform well.

Still JLR are able to keep lids on engine transmission info.

For those of you already disliking the new technology apparent , why are you using computers and mobile phones....aren't they too modern for you?

[ozscott]

Yes. I like feeling part of the machine. A person either understands the feeling or not. A lot don't care. So the vehicle will sell well.

Cheers

[WhiteD3]

Looks like a cranky cane toad.....



http://adventure-suv.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/disco5.jpg

[Narangga]

Looks like a cranky cane toad.....

Shaz or Baz? :angel:

[ozscott]

Haha. Now that you say that I can see it... And won't be able to get the likeness out of my head! I wonder if they will do it in a flat Camel colour to complete the picture. Cheers

[MrLandy]

Looks like a cranky cane toad.....

Ha! I was going to say bull frog, but you're right! It's a cranky cane toad! 😂

[Pedro_The_Swift]

and deserves the same fate,,
Its a what ?? RR? RRS? Evoke?
oh wait! its a D5!

talk about splitting hairs,,:angel:

[Bytemrk]

As my initial assessment of the D3 was so far off the mark, I'm going to reserve judgement til I take one for a play....;)


However, there is definitely a hint of Cane Toad there....:angel:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm sure it will be RR good inside,,
but it will still look like ANY LR from the front
and any second gen 7 seater SUV from the side,

[RHS58]

ARB is gonna have some fun getting a bull bar sorted on that.

[Grentarc]

ARB is gonna have some fun getting a bull bar sorted on that.
Only took them the most part of what, 4 years to organise one for the current D4?

[Babs]

Exciting Stuff, can't wait.

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[Andrew86]

I've always thought the Evoque et al were very handsome designs, but this latest iteration is starting to feel a bit tired to my eyes.

It certainly looks purposeful, I'm just not sure what that purpose is in relation to the rest of the LR range. I guess we wait and see.

[strydes]

Looks fantastic in isolation, just like the Evoke, RRS and Disco Sport do, but it definitely feels like they've gone a little far with the Family styling. They're barely distinguishable now.

The D4 still sells really well so I thought maybe there was a half chance it could keep just a little bit of boxiness.

Anyway, I love all the refinement and tech so can't wait for the full reveal, and will just have to get over the fact that the Disco no longer has its own identity :(

[scarry]

Looks fantastic in isolation, just like the Evoke, RRS and Disco Sport do, but it definitely feels like they've gone a little far with the Family styling. They're barely distinguishable now.

The D4 still sells really well so I thought maybe there was a half chance it could keep just a little bit of boxiness.
(

Exactly,very difficult to distinguish between models now,RRS,RR,IMHO,they all look the boring same:(

A bit of individuality,as they had be fore I would have thought would be the better option.

[catch-22]

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg

[MrLandy]

Ms Landy just watched the video and said, "is that the new Kluger?" I rest my case. ...yup, yawn:zzz:

[MrLandy]

I've always thought the Evoque et al were very handsome designs, but this latest iteration is starting to feel a bit tired to my eyes.

It certainly looks purposeful, I'm just not sure what that purpose is in relation to the rest of the LR range. I guess we wait and see.

The purpose is more luxury SUV market share.

[scarry]

Ms Landy just watched the video and said, "is that the new Kluger?" I rest my case. ...yup, yawn:zzz:

Hmmm,Mrs Scarry saw a Disco sport the other day and thought it was an outlander:roll eyes:

[MrLandy]

Hmmm,Mrs Scarry saw a Disco sport the other day and thought it was an outlander:roll eyes:

😄 Are you sure it wasn't an outlander? :wasntme:

[Disco Muppet]

My Mrs loves the disco sport.
She also likes defenders, but thinks they're a bit dated ;)

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[DI5CO]

Well I guess at the end of the day our opinions don't really matter as the sales figures do all the talking. 5 years ago in our area I hardly saw any Land Rovers, now I see heaps of Rangies. Can't remember the last newish looking Freelander I saw but have seen plenty of Disco Sports around now and I'm sure there will be plenty more when the D5 comes out. A lot of women, including my wife lol, think most cars pretty much look the same from a distance. I have no problem with the way the styling of Land Rover is going, I just hope I will be able to afford my next one!!!

[SimmAus]

Just what I always wanted in a Landrover ......

https://youtu.be/CAM_DeZWECo

The ability to change the seat config, after I've jumped out of a plane.....

I'm sure some of the tech will be useful.

[shanegtr]

The way the disco is going I think the vast majority will now be in the market for the defender replacement after seeing that.

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[RHS58]

Just what I always wanted in a Landrover ......

https://youtu.be/CAM_DeZWECo

The ability to change the seat config, after I've jumped out of a plane.....

I'm sure some of the tech will be useful.

:o
Bit of a tosser, isn't he? Do anything for a few pounds, I suppose.
Fold,the seats while in free fall - pity about the kids waiting in the car, watching movies on the obligatory DVD players in the headrests, getting folded in. Nasty stains on the lovely leather. How's he gonna clean that mess?

[Andrew86]

With Land Rover completely abandoning the outgoing Discovery's styling, it'll be interesting to see what happens to resale values of the current model. It'll certainly be obvious which one is the old model, and the boxy shape could look quite tired as people adjust to the new look.

Just a thought. Resale isn't everything, of course.

[weeds]

With Land Rover completely abandoning the outgoing Discovery's styling, it'll be interesting to see what happens to resale values of the current model. It'll certainly be obvious which one is the old model, and the boxy shape could look quite tired as people adjust to the new look.

Just a thought. Resale isn't everything, of course.



It's a shame they are going away from boxy shape.......they stand out in the crowd, they will blend in more and be be lost.

[scarry]

With Land Rover completely abandoning the outgoing Discovery's styling, it'll be interesting to see what happens to resale values of the current model. It'll certainly be obvious which one is the old model, and the boxy shape could look quite tired as people adjust to the new look.

Just a thought. Resale isn't everything, of course.

Looking back a bit further,the last of the D2,the D2a,had fantastic resale value,even with the arrival of the D3.

The D3 looked nothing like a D2,very little resemblance.

In fact a good D2a is worth big $$$ even today.

We will have to wait and see,the last of the D4's are a very well sorted vehicle.

[catch-22]

Yep, and I love mine. But will/am going to drop it in a heartbeat for the D5

[Pedro_The_Swift]

With Land Rover completely abandoning the outgoing Discovery's styling, it'll be interesting to see what happens to resale values of the current model. It'll certainly be obvious which one is the old model, and the boxy shape could look quite tired as people adjust to the new look.
.

They have 11 years of owners that just might like their shape,, rather than the 2016,,

a ten year model upgrade is nothing to sneeze at!:D

[Narangga]

a ten year model upgrade is nothing to sneeze at!:D

Oh what a feeling...

[carlschmid2002]

I can't see the D5 coming in a V8. I love my V8. It might be a little thirsty sometimes but it sounds so good.

[DI5CO]

I just saw this on Carsales
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/videos/2016/4x4-Offroad/Land-Rover/Discovery-4/allnew-land-rover-discovery-capability-testing-103825

[catch-22]

Link isn't loading the vid.....bugger. I'll try again soon.

EDIT: working - woohoo

[LandyAndy]

I got an email from my dealer with lots of pics etc,they are now taking orders,april delivery.
They only have 35 D4s left to sell wich wont last to April,quoting the email.
I was approached by several non landy steering 4x4 people whilst on holidays saying how nice my D4 looked.Wanted to know how many issues Ive had,:):):):):):):).Told them if they want one they need to get in quick as an all new model is due out.
I offered a few test drives,nobody took me up.I did point out they would want to buy one after!!!!!!
Andrew

[Babs]

I just saw this on Carsales https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/videos/2016/4x4-Offroad/Land-Rover/Discovery-4/allnew-land-rover-discovery-capability-testing-103825


I think it's a Winner ❗️

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[Pedro_The_Swift]

in case the carsales one doesnt work--:angel:
All-new Land Rover Discovery capability testing - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/all-new-land-rover-discovery-capability-testing-103825/)

[Narangga]

in case the carsales one doesnt work--:angel:
All-new Land Rover Discovery capability testing - motoring.com.au (http://www.motoring.com.au/all-new-land-rover-discovery-capability-testing-103825/)

It didn't in any browser.

Than You Mr Swift. :thumbsup:

[MrLandy]

A more carefully selected sequence of innocuous highlights you will never find! :Rolling: I'm surprised there's not a shot of the new disco driving on Mars.

Where's the year long slog in the desert? The battle scars? The CFA fire truck version? the GIJoe version? ...oh that's right, that's not the market for Land Rover any more...it's the occasional puddle splash and dash to 'climb' big red or a designer 'experience' in the Sahara that is the target market of all luxury urban centric middling soft-roaders, that is now the one-direction for Land Rover. The spin has begun.... Bring on the cries of dinosaur lover and Luddite! I don't care. Disco 5 is first and foremost a toorak tractor. 👍😎:wasntme:

[Babs]

Ha ha ha well written MrLandy, though you will never understand, or maybe you do.

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[Andrew86]

We will have to wait and see,the last of the D4's are a very well sorted vehicle.

No doubt about it, and as another poster mentioned, the design has held strong for 10 years. It's just unusual to see such a significant departure from a design evolution in favour of a more standardised corporate face.

To my eyes, there's a very obvious progression in the image below, with one very orange exception...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/552.jpg

Not taking away from any of the designs above in their own right, but JLR will age the D4 by ten years when they release the D5. That probably means there'll be some bargains to be had before that happens though :D

[Tombie]

Kind of like the Holden jump...

VK - VL - VN [emoji41]

[Tombie]

A more carefully selected sequence of innocuous highlights you will never find! :Rolling: I'm surprised there's not a shot of the new disco driving on Mars.



Where's the year long slog in the desert? The battle scars? The CFA fire truck version? the GIJoe version? ...oh that's right, that's not the market for Land Rover any more...it's the occasional puddle splash and dash to 'climb' big red or a designer 'experience' in the Sahara that is the target market of all luxury urban centric middling soft-roaders, that is now the one-direction for Land Rover. The spin has begun.... Bring on the cries of dinosaur lover and Luddite! I don't care. Disco 5 is first and foremost a toorak tractor. [emoji106][emoji41]:wasntme:



BWahahaha

The GIJoe version...... [emoji41]

Being great mates with an SAS Medic who did a few tours in 'Stan - do you know what a certain region was called?

CV alley...

Because all the Perenties would blow CVs whilst driving through it...


Anywho.... Landies as combat vehicles are done... not enough IED protection.... Bush Masters etc are the combat vehicle of choice now.


Plenty of D4s are roaring across Australian deserts, the CSR etc without issue... this is just a stylised version...


Go enjoy your Defender.

Less yarping and more driving [emoji12][emoji106]

[SBD4]

Nice to see the flat load space when the seats are folded is retained (unlike the L494):

Land Rover Discovery 2017 - Pictures | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/discovery/93230/land-rover-discovery-2017-pictures)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/533.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/534.jpg

[Grentarc]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/526.jpg

The lower section of the tailgate there looks like the floating panel in the D4's lower section - looks like there could be a split tailgate!

[SBD4]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/526.jpg

The lower section of the tailgate there looks like the floating panel in the D4's lower section - looks like there could be a split tailgate!
You could be right Justin, LR would retain some points if it is there. Come to think of it, LR did not shown the rear end at all in the seat demo video/pics, perhaps they are hiding something;)

[scarry]

You could be right Justin, LR would retain some points if it is there. Come to think of it, LR did not shown the rear end at all in the seat demo video/pics, perhaps they are hiding something;)

Maybe it could be both,two piece and one piece,depending how it is opened.

LR are pretty good at leading the market with this type of thing.

We will know in a week or so when all is revealed.:)

[catch-22]

Maybe it could be both,two piece and one piece,depending how it is opened.

LR are pretty good at leading the market with this type of thing.


Nar....Citreon being doing it well for years..

[SBD4]

How they came up with the "Kids Como" in the pic above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Qg6qcvgcQ

[MrLandy]

If that doesn't prove that Disco 5 is an 'SUV' primarily aimed at soccer mums, I don't know what does.

[Tombie]

If that doesn't prove that Disco 5 is primarily an 'SUV' primarily aimed at soccer mums, I don't know what does.



Pull your head in..... enough is enough already.

[Tombie]

If that doesn't prove that Disco 5 is primarily an 'SUV' primarily aimed at soccer mums, I don't know what does.



Funny. The Defender used her Royal highness as a selling point.

Does that mean Defenders are just for Queens? [emoji12][emoji48]

[Babs]

Funny. The Defender used her Royal highness as a selling point. Does that mean Defenders are just for Queens? [emoji12][emoji48]


Ha ha ha lol :) Bada Bing Bada Bang ❗️

Too funny :p

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[DI5CO]

If that doesn't prove that Disco 5 is an 'SUV' primarily aimed at soccer mums, I don't know what does.



For years, this has always been the plan. I don't know why you are so upset? While this article is a few years old, and some things have changed a little, it gives an insight to their plans. Hopefully we can now get over the fact that the new Disco will not be as utilitarian as the D 1-4 and move on!![emoji14]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229044/Ambitious-Land-Rover-plan-16-new-models-10billion-investment-blitz-double-production.html

[MrLandy]

On the contrary, I can't understand why you guys are not outraged that Land Rover has become a maker of generic SUV's?

[carlschmid2002]

Do you have children Mr. Landy? I do, and as much as I love heading off road and exploring this great country I take there comfort and safety into consideration. I used to look around my Defender and look at all the jagged edges, lack of bracing in the doors, airbags and creature comforts and think I can't do it to them. In a serious accident in a Defender my kids would die. I do work sometimes in aviation accident investigation and one of the things to consider is the container. That's the bit you sit in. Is it survivable? I know of many accidents in the Army Perenties where clearly it is not, especially before they fitted ROPS which I doubt your Defender has. I don't know of the capabilities of the D5 yet but I am fairly comfortable with the fact that it is a safer "Container" than your Defender. If offroad ability is your point I am happy to challenge your Defender in my D4 V8 with Ediff on 20" rims. Once I fit 18" rims you could never keep up. One thing I know for sure is that a lot of "Soccer Mums" will be ditching their D4s for a D5. There will be bargains to be had. My D4 for example, I am fairly confident, saw dirt for the first time in it's life today.

[Babs]

Do you have children Mr. Landy? I do, and as much as I love heading off road and exploring this great country I take there comfort and safety into consideration. I used to look around my Defender and look at all the jagged edges, lack of bracing in the doors, airbags and creature comforts and think I can't do it to them. In a serious accident in a Defender my kids would die. I do work sometimes in aviation accident investigation and one of the things to consider is the container. That's the bit you sit in. Is it survivable? I know of many accidents in the Army Perenties where clearly it is not, especially before they fitted ROPS which I doubt your Defender has. I don't know of the capabilities of the D5 yet but I am fairly comfortable with the fact that it is a safer "Container" than your Defender. If offroad ability is your point I am happy to challenge your Defender in my D4 V8 with Ediff on 20" rims. Once I fit 18" rims you could never keep up. One thing I know for sure is that a lot of "Soccer Mums" will be ditching their D4s for a D5. There will be bargains to be had. My D4 for example, I am fairly confident, saw dirt for the first time in it's life today.


I could not agree more, as much as I love the Defender, every time I put my kids in it the thought always crossed my mind on the lack of safety, especially for whoever was unlucky enough to get the third row seat.

I feel so much more at ease having the kids in the D4..

And my money is on you if you're lining up the Discovery & Defender.

I remember we had an AULRO day back in 12 or 13, I had my new MY12 Defender Puma and we all went to Zig Zag Lithgow just out of Sydney.

I remember reaching what was called the Pipelines and thought there is no way I'm going to make it up that, it wasn't until other Defenders went first that gave me the confidence to conquer it.
I never forget implanted in my mind from that day was Terry in his silver D3, I thought this guy has got no chance getting up here and I was wondering what the hell he was doing there. I'm thinking he is going to do some serious damage.

Then all of a sudden up went the suspension and off he crawled, not only did he make it but he made it so much (I can't stress enough how much) easier than all the Defenders and there was Defenders running 35" tyres that day.

I was blown away that this luxury SUV just made us look like jokers.

I don't think MrLandy realises the capabilities of the Discovery, maybe he should watch some of the AULRO days out on YouTube.

I'm loving the comfort of my Discovery and although it probably won't get any rock action because I'm way to busy, it's nice to know it's capable of it if I need to rely on it.

Defenders are great but they are not everyday drivers, yes yes we know some people use them as everyday driving and they love them bla bla bla fact is if they had a hypothetical choice where monies etc were out of the equation then I'm sure they would choose a Discovery as an everyday driver. There is no comparison.

As far as the D5 goes, if it's as capable as the d4 then it's a winner, things can only get better.

Oh and I can't wait for the new soft road Defender to come out :p

All in all, Carlschmid hit the nail on the head with that reply. :)

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner