Fuel Tanks

[Pirate]

I reckong the 75 litre tank in the Defender is a joke even though its gets great economy.

What are peoples opinions on the best options for increasing fuel capacity?

Who are the good and bad manufacturers of aftermarket tanks? Anyone who can recommend a good supplier please do.

Are sill tanks worth the effort or just get an increased capacity main tank?

Thanks for any comments in advance

Regards

[snailbait]

What do you want to know You can get this from joining a lroc in your state.
There are several manf of after market tanks for land rover defenders or 110 defenders but you can go severall ways the most popular that i do not like is the 130 plus rear after market tank and i do not like it because it put a extra 55 kg to the rear of the diff and reduces the load carring of the vehicle it could tipp or raise the front wheels because of the leaverage of the 55 kg when it is out 3 ft or 900 mm from the diff i like sill tanks whih fit under the vehicle between and add a further 100 ltr tpo the cap of the vehicle wht you do is have a locl mnf measure the tanks for you and then fitt them and have them plumbed and filled from the same filler as the reguler filler

[landrovermick]

Please Snail use spell check!!! and as for text language ......

mick

[KEV0044]

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[KEV0044]

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[snailbait]

OK guys - point taken - where is spell check?

Rhonda is not always available to check my spelling.

[snailbait]

HI Kevin

In relation to Clubs at the last GM of the LROC we were advised that National Parks, State Forests and some private land owners were now locking of properties etc. to give access to Clubs only.

This is because renegate 4WDrivers have been tearing up tracks, paddocks etc and in particular they are only allowing local 4WD clubs access.

That is the point in joining a 4WD Club of your choice. Any Club that is not affilitated with the Association will not be allowed access.

Also Clubs are required to participate in working parties and assist in the maintenance of tracks.

Rhonda
Secretary
LROC Sydney Branch
02 47391387

[fernockulated]

Thanks Kev, finally some one got thru to him, you would think after 20 odd posts ,where each one got the same reply,that he would back off,yes everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but, this is not a notice board for lroc, if he wants to fish for members put a post up saying so and be done with it ,he mite get a better response that way ,rather than waffling on about closing tracks all the time! Anyway,I'm tired of telling him ,so I hope that's the end of it, happy trails ,(if you can find any open :wink: )


Ferno

[KEV0044]

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[bigbugga]

A web link has been offered to snailbait a few time's but he has never taken me up on it.

And just so snailbait and every one else know's we dont have a spell check on the site.
Easy way past this is to write your responce in one of your own programs, spell check it and copy it over to here once done.

[snailbait]

HI Bigbugga Hi KevIn Hi Pirate
I am sorry if I write the write of short cuts (my job training) that you do not understand so i will go extra slow and write extra long
hand
In NSW were the pace is extra fast compared to WA people do not read everthing you write they do what is called scan and they are bored with anything over 20 words.
I do a lot of email during my working day, and have the benefits of automatic spellcheck, and it has to be brief so the message gets across with as little pain as possible ie(reading, understanding)
In the email world people only read the first and last letter of each word.
Now down to business Bigbugga you have advised previously that you do not see a need to belong to a club well you are in a club now! you are heavily involved in the Australian Landrover Owners Online Forum. This I would say is a club! you come down on the heads of contribitutors when they post a a post you do not think is appropriate or does not agree with you views.
I do not push LROC Sydney Branch as the only Club to be in. I say to all people over Australia - join a Club or their choice - but be in a Club to enjoy the companship, the knowledge that is within the Club, especially the older members, of trips , information in vehicles etc.

[bigbugga]

I understand that I am part of this club of landrover owner's.
I am also part of many other 4wd web site's as well as a lot of other type of site's, all of which put me into a club statis situation. Idont have a problem with this at all.

But what I have said to you before if that I dont have a need nor a desire to join a 4wd club.

And the only time I come down on ANYONE is when they get to pushy with a topic or start abusing other member's.

[Phoenix]

I can see the benifit to being in a club, especially if there are no AULRO members in your area :wink:

I'm actually trying to get on a trip with the Tamar Valley 4x4 club to see what they are like.

It is actually nice to have you making some sense snailbait. Did the repairs to your extreme really cost $30,000?

What happened, I don't think that you have ever explained what happened on that occasion.

[harry]

8) ok my turn, i'm not a club member,yet the disco i own came from and was serviced by the mob where the qld club have their meetings.
thats in bris vegas, some 100k's from me.
yep i don't know how to drive fwd's in serious stuff ['and i aint going there without another to save me] which is why i hang on this site
[oh by the way, for the spell checkers out there, i consider this fun so i don't do caps unless really agro]
i was in clubs over the years and got fed up with the 'climbing to the top' do gooders.
i am interested in going on more trips and think that clubs might help in doing this, but i kinda like the personal days with a small group and no overwhelming crap, which i've seen before.
this website is good for me and i don't bother to look at the others any more, as they don't suit me, [not that some aren't interesting]
i actually would like to drive some of the state forest tracks in our corner of qld, and i suppose that we [aulro ] will address that in time.
however we probably just should meet and trip as we are, and that will flow on.
you know some people actually own fwd's and arn't blessed with excess spondulex, so we respect that and if they/i can't or don't want to do something, thats it, our choice.
8) harry

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Good on you harry,,,,
as for you snailbait, the pace of life( in the blue mountains?) in NSW is a poor excuse for not writing interesting/funny/informative posts,,,
As for supposedly being in a "club" because I post on a web site seems a bit of a stretch.
I am quite happy being a "member" of AULRO, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
and this wonderfully slow lifestyle up here means I dont need to join a club to go 4wdriving. :wink:
read my tag.

[landrovermick]

Ok my turn.

Snail / Rhonda we are hearing ya ! For mine i have been in a couple of very large clubs / brotherhoods , with 10 years of military and 7 years of police i know a little about club mentality ive made some great mates - ones id die for and then there are those that i would just as soon let rot in a gutter..... Club membership isnt always what it is pumped up to be.

I am a member of this club/site - AULRO and proudly wear the sticker on my disco. Mate i enjoy the company of my friends (club and non club)when off roading, i dont bugger the bush and i tread lightly.

If a landholder wishes to deny me access to his land then that is his right, and seeing as im a cop and peoples rights are my line of buisness i dont want to impinge on that. This is a big brown land with plenty of room for us all.

I get all i need from this site, as i and others have said before i dont visit anywhere else any more. I come here to chat , exchange ideas and above all else Learn and ask questions!

Please guys add your link and let it lie - i promise ill look at the site and who knows i may even attend your club meeting - is that the one in concord or over that way? If there arent too many tree hugging club climbing types i may even part with the hard earned and join......

Take it from a bitter twisted copper, you can lead a horse to water.....but ya cant make him join a 4x4 club.....

take care mate

mick

ps, why dont you come to the Watagans with they boyos when we go. try a AULRO gathering - You may like it

[jf1056]

When is the next AULRO gathering?? After reading all the posts from the regulars, I have a mental picture of what a gathering would be like and have taken the necessary precautions to prevent personal harm. That aside, I am always up for something a bit "different" and a "Gathering" of such distinguished persons has all the elements of FUN.

[Phoenix]

Have a look at the schedules forum for setails of upcoming trips in your area.

Geez, that sounded like one of those advert guys on TV :roll:

[Pirate]

Thanks for all who have commented on the fuel tanks.
Am looking at the 125ltr replacement plus sill tanks. I agree with the sill tank option however would like to have one sill tank set for water as when I bring the wife camping I need to have more water with me that is in Sydney Harbour!!

Glad to see the old Clubbies vs Non-clubbies debate is alive and strong :twisted: It will never be decided as we have opposing views. Lets just say that works for you is great! Snail You seem to heavily into it eh. Got no life outside of 4 Wheelin Clubs eh?

I have so much on at present I dont have the time to involved in a club.
The odd weekend out with TSR/BigBugger and crowd suits me down to the ground. I am not a fan of clubs because there is generally types in clubs that I would rather not socialise with. These are the "spongers ", "cardigan wearing flower sniffing tea totallers", "the I cant scratch my fourby crowd", "Can I bring my tandem caravan crowd", "the why doesnt my mobile work crowd" etc and Pajero Owners :roll:

Snail again. So you eastern states blokes are speed readers hey? Have no time to read all that is put in front of you eh? What crap. It is pure laziness thats all. (I also have email at work 8O :!: ) :!:

Wow now that I have that off my chest....... 8O

Regards

[incisor]

Originally posted by Pirate
Wow now that I have that off my chest....... 8O

Regards

Mr Bond i presume?

[BlackAdder]

Hey Pirate, what's with the Pajero stompin? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I own one and have to admit, it's a hell of a lot more capable than I thought she ever would be, or perhaps it's my driving :wink:

Sure, they are not your hard core machine, and yes it does get the "I hope we don't scratch it" from the handbrake, but to me it's a 4WD and whenever I get the chance, that's how I use it. I think too much is said about vehicles and not enough said about driver skill, I think that driver skill counts for a substantial portion of a vehicles capability, probably as much as 30%, I have had my Pajero (an NM Exceed btw) into some very tricky spots and made it through where what I would classify as more capable 4WD's have been stopped.

I even had one instance where I climbed over a sand dune on Fraser in the NM and a mate could not get his BJ73 Cruiser over after 3 attempts, I asked if I could have a go and did it first time. He was happy because he then got a drive of the NM and I had fun in the BJ73 :wink:

Anyway, it will make you happy that I am planning to invest in a 130 Crew Cab in the future and do it up for some serious off road touring. Still trying to get some info out of the members about 130 Crew Cabs, but there does not seem to be too much on them.

Take care and maybe one day when I get the 130 and get it setup, I might drop over to WA and have a beer with you and possibly wet a line and go see the bush :wink:

[Timmo]

Missed most of what is said above, coz i am a speed reading sydneysider......whats this thread about?

Have been thinking about going along to a LROC meeting, with a mate who has a rangie, but if they are going to ram it down my throat like jehovahs witnesses, then i might not bother. Also have our own little 4wd "association", which is not an official club, but more a group of mates who plan trips together, if anyone is interested:

www.wildrigs.com

Hope it is not against the rules to put this link on. :roll:

[incisor]

Originally posted by Timmo
Hope it is not against the rules to put this link on. :roll:

didnt worry you enough to stop you 8O

but your lucky, we dont mind....

[KEV0044]

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[Phoenix]

Well said Kev!

I hope that closes this messy subject of clubs (At least for the moment)

Now, Pirate, any questions still?

[Pirate]

Wow…. great to see the enthusiasm in the posts.

I thought that a long range fuel tank would be a common item that people could give thumbs up or down on as I know that some manufacturers are better than others. Don’t have the cash at the moment so will have to wait anyway. But the 125 longranger plus sill tanks look like the go.

I agree with Blackadder that the driver being the most important part of a successful drive off road. Picking the right line in a vehicle makes all the difference. The less capable the vehicle, the more important this becomes. Mate, as long as a 4WD is used off road regularly I don’t care what people drive. It just seems that the Pajero seems to be the King of the Shopping Mall in most cases.

Kev's words are spot on in summing up Snailbait. Just misunderstood or has been baiting us all?

Regards and remember

"Confidence contributes more to conversation than wit"
Francois de La Rochefoucauld (1613 - 1680)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Hello Blackadder!

Its an interesting idea, giving up a Pajero Exceed for a 130,,,
two totally different vehicles,, regardless of how many wheels are driven.
I had a friend once( no really :wink: ) that bought a 130 to tow an off road buggy to races. No probs, load the trailer, put the trailer on the back, load 4 people, put all the service gear in the rear and away we go,,,
only to find its no rocket ( sorry rocket,,), after one head gasket he sold it and bought something with 8 cylinders,, 8)
I would imagine the new Defender engined TD5's are wonderfull.
but they are still pretty much a dinosour inside,,
130's are pretty rare,, has anyone seen one with a TD5 badge?

[BlackAdder]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift
.....only to find its no rocket ( sorry rocket,,), after one head gasket he sold it and bought something with 8 cylinders,, 8)
I would imagine the new Defender engined TD5's are wonderfull.
but they are still pretty much a dinosour inside,,
130's are pretty rare,, has anyone seen one with a TD5 badge?

Cheers Pedro, yes I agree that it probably won't be a rocket, but I have heard that the Td5's are far superior to the older 300's. I do intend to be carrying a lot of weight though (my guess total of about 3500 - 3800 kg) and the head gasket is a bit of a worry, thanks for the tip. I will be talking with Graeme Cooper tomorrow, I will bounce that one off him.

I am not looking for a drag car or a hill climber, just something to get me everywhere and back, I think I am having a mid life crisis and instead of looking for a Mazda RX8 I am opting for a more practical placebo :wink:

As for the internal ergonomics, try emptying 3 inches of water out of an Exceed and then do the same with a 130 Crew Cab, it's fun but there are a lot more skipped heartbeats in the Exceed (leather seats, bugger...electric drivers seat, bugger...speakers low inside the doors, bugger oh what the hell s#!!!!!!!!!!t :oops:

Again cheers and Hoo Roo.

[Ultraflex4x4]

I reckong the 75 litre tank in the Defender is a joke even though its gets great economy.

What are peoples opinions on the best options for increasing fuel capacity?

Who are the good and bad manufacturers of aftermarket tanks? Anyone who can recommend a good supplier please do.

Are sill tanks worth the effort or just get an increased capacity main tank?

Thanks for any comments in advance

Regards
mate give Andrew Taylor at ShingleBack off Road in Beechworth Victoria a call .. www.shinglebackoffroad.com.au
Does a Great tank for the Defender ..

[gromit]

mate give Andrew Taylor at ShingleBack off Road in Beechworth Victoria a call .. www.shinglebackoffroad.com.au (http://www.shinglebackoffroad.com.au)
Does a Great tank for the Defender ..

You might be 15 years too late.......

Colin

[Ultraflex4x4]

You might be 15 years too late.......

Colin
Yeah look I'm not sure where you are taking this .. but Sill Tanks Mid section are a new thing ..
And you can like or love it ..

[gromit]

Yeah look I'm not sure where you are taking this .. but Sill Tanks Mid section are a new thing ..
And you can like or love it ..


Look at the date of the post you replied to.......

Colin

[DeeJay]

Dud link too, but I did find him via Google, looks a good tank too.

Shingleback Defender Sill Tank - Shingleback Off Road (http://www.shinglebackoffroad.com/tank/)

[Pirate]

Lol. Still have the 75 ltr tank never got around to upgrading. [emoji1303][emoji41]

Have carried jerry cans on longer trips without issue.

[Red90]

The easiest solution these days is the addon tank that sits behind he rear wheel. They add 45 liters and work directly with the original tank.

[rick130]

Holy thread resurrect, Batman! [emoji23]

This would be up near the record.

[DazzaTD5]

Just to continue the revival of this thread, IMHO ...

*It is WAY easier to replace the standard plastic tank with a 120/125 lt Long Ranger tank than to fit the stupid side 45lt tank.
*Side tank is a pain to fit.
*Side tank costs as much or close to the replacement Long Ranger tank which floats around $1100.00
*WHEN the rubber hose between the main tank and the side tank fails, its a disaster to try and replace it.
*The small fuel line between the main tank and the 45lt side tank sits in the line of fire for rocks anything else that will try to destroy it.

*Fitted another well known brand long range tank that had a retail of round $2000 !!! and it was a very crap thing to fit. After fitting heaps I only recommend the Long Ranger fuel tanks.

[DiscoMick]

Mine came with the long Ranger main tank already fitted by the previous owner and it's great.

[martnH]

Land rang tr55 fuel tank is good. Distributed by ARB. Made by out of town in Maitland?

I installed it myself, pretty easy. 3 hours. Removed the old one and then transfer all the wiring and pump onto the new tank and install it.

1 plug, 5 hoses and 6 bolts

[Robmacca]

Just to continue the revival of this thread, IMHO ...

*It is WAY easier to replace the standard plastic tank with a 120/125 lt Long Ranger tank than to fit the stupid side 45lt tank.
*Side tank is a pain to fit.
*Side tank costs as much or close to the replacement Long Ranger tank which floats around $1100.00
*WHEN the rubber hose between the main tank and the side tank fails, its a disaster to try and replace it.
*The small fuel line between the main tank and the 45lt side tank sits in the line of fire for rocks anything else that will try to destroy it.

*Fitted another well known brand long range tank that had a retail of round $2000 !!! and it was a very crap thing to fit. After fitting heaps I only recommend the Long Ranger fuel tanks.

Bugger.... the puma I bought a few months ago came with the 45ltr Side Tank. I like it but do see the issues of the lower fuel line but did not know of the potential issue with the larger rubber hose failing. I was thinking about also installing the Long Ranger Tank + keep the side tank but not so sure now... Might just keep what I have + install a sill tank = 185ltrs

[Slugbait]

The Defender 130 I purchased back in May has a Long Ranger Tank I think. I'm not absolutely sure of the make. I think it takes about 140lt. I say I think as the fuel gauge doesn't read properly. I was advised by my Mechanic while I he was sorting out some starting problems for me that my tank was almost empty but the gauge read about 1/3 full.

Now I'm too worried about running out of fuel that I don't let it go below 1/2. I can do about 500km before the gauge starts to read below full.

Has anyone else had problems with the sender not registering the correct amount and is there an easy fix or do I have to replace the sender.

Cheers

Steve

[Standard]

The Defender 130 I purchased back in May has a Long Ranger Tank I think. I'm not absolutely sure of the make. I think it takes about 140lt. I say I think as the fuel gauge doesn't read properly. I was advised by my Mechanic while I he was sorting out some starting problems for me that my tank was almost empty but the gauge read about 1/3 full.

Now I'm too worried about running out of fuel that I don't let it go below 1/2. I can do about 500km before the gauge starts to read below full.

Has anyone else had problems with the sender not registering the correct amount and is there an easy fix or do I have to replace the sender.

Cheers

Steve

Hi Steve,

In a standard tank the pump and sender are one unit. I have successfully removed the pump from my 130, and cleaned the contacts on the sender in the past, but you need to remove the tub or cut an access hole. If you have a tray you may have slighty better access.

From memory I think the Longranger tank has a seperate sender, which hopefully is accessible without removing the tub/tray or the tank.

Cheers,
Stan.

[Slugbait]

Hi Steve,

In a standard tank the pump and sender are one unit. I have successfully removed the pump from my 130, and cleaned the contacts on the sender in the past, but you need to remove the tub or cut an access hole. If you have a tray you may have slighty better access.

From memory I think the Longranger tank has a seperate sender, which hopefully is accessible without removing the tub/tray or the tank.

Cheers,
Stan.

Thanks Stan.

I'll have a look I have a tray so I think my spare wheel sits right above the tank[thumbsupbig]. If I remove that I should have room.

Cheers

Steve

[Zeros]

Does the Long Ranger tank fit with a Hayman Reece towbar on a 110?

[ramblingboy42]

I don't want to hi jack this thread but I can't understand the need for 185litres of fuel to be carried.

I have travelled throughout Qld and SA desert roads twice a year for over 25yrs in a Nissan Pathfinder, a Land Rover D2 td5 and currently a Ford Ranger which is almost identical spec to a Defender.

I have always carried a jerry of fuel but have never had cause to use it.

I think I have traversed just about every adventure trail from the WA border to central Qld and I find now that supplies are now so readily available, ie fuel, food (some fresh), ice, water, firewood , tyres, mechanical services , that I have more than halved the quantity of just about everything I carry.

This being mainly about fuel though , I don't know where you would drive now that you would need extra reserves of fuel as point to point refuelling distances are so much lessened these days.

I often travel in convoy with a diverse range of different vehicles and we stop every couple of hours for various reasons (you know) and if it's in or near a community we also fill our tanks.

I'm seriously thinking of ditching the jerry , as most of travelling mates have done.

I would honestly like to know you want to carry 2-3 times your normal fuel capacity.

[Wallyb]

I don't want to hi jack this thread but I can't understand the need for 185litres of fuel to be carried.

I would honestly like to know you want to carry 2-3 times your normal fuel capacity.

Two words... zombie apocalypse [biggrin]

[grey_ghost]

Or... 25L/100KM [tonguewink]

[donh54]

I don't want to hi jack this thread but I can't understand the need for 185litres of fuel to be carried.

I have travelled throughout Qld and SA desert roads twice a year for over 25yrs in a Nissan Pathfinder, a Land Rover D2 td5 and currently a Ford Ranger which is almost identical spec to a Defender.

I have always carried a jerry of fuel but have never had cause to use it.

I think I have traversed just about every adventure trail from the WA border to central Qld and I find now that supplies are now so readily available, ie fuel, food (some fresh), ice, water, firewood , tyres, mechanical services , that I have more than halved the quantity of just about everything I carry.

This being mainly about fuel though , I don't know where you would drive now that you would need extra reserves of fuel as point to point refuelling distances are so much lessened these days.

I often travel in convoy with a diverse range of different vehicles and we stop every couple of hours for various reasons (you know) and if it's in or near a community we also fill our tanks.

I'm seriously thinking of ditching the jerry , as most of travelling mates have done.

I would honestly like to know you want to carry 2-3 times your normal fuel capacity.I agree. If we're going seriously out bush, I will carry a couple of 10 litre jerry cans in the POL box, but only fill them at the last fuel point before going off track. Even if you save 20c per litre by buying all your fuel in a bigger town, that's 5000 litres (at that savings price) before you're amortizing the cost of the tank. That's not allowing for the extra cost of carrying that much fuel, and the consequent loss of carrying capacity, and the future cost of remote services closing due to no sales.

[martnH]

Yes it will.
Does the Long Ranger tank fit with a Hayman Reece towbar on a 110?

[martnH]

I need the tank for Long range

[DiscoMick]

Mine has a 120 litre tank so that's a range of about 1000 kms.

[djam1]

Mine has 220 litres and was setup predominantly to run in isolated regions in the North West.
To be honest its overkill for most situations and probably not required, but there is a difference between living in isolated areas and visiting them once or twice in a lifetime.
You eventually come across the situation where the servo you were planning to fill up at has run out of fuel I have seen this on a number of occasions. Its as simple as a cyclone has been through or the gen set is broken and others wait days for fuel but you can continue on your journey.

[plusnq]

Mine has 220 litres and was setup predominantly to run in isolated regions in the North West.
To be honest its overkill for most situations and probably not required, but there is a difference between living in isolated areas and visiting them once or twice in a lifetime.
You eventually come across the situation where the servo you were planning to fill up at has run out of fuel I have seen this on a number of occasions. Its as simple as a cyclone has been through or the gen set is broken and others wait days for fuel but you can continue on your journey.


Yes i agree. I’ve lived up in northwest Queensland for a large chunk and it certainly wasn’t uncommon for fuel to be unavailable due to weather issues. Having long range tanks in those areas is more a necessity than a nice to have. I have LR tanks fitted to both my touring vehicles more out of caution than necessity these days.