Perentie Power Steering

[cinan]

Has anyone used one of these kits ? And how does this price compare to buying the components individually ?

Army Land Rover 110 Perentie 4x4 Power Steering KIT | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Army-Land-Rover-110-Perentie-4x4-Power-Steering-Kit-/181239691424?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a32ba38a0&_uhb=1)

[eibocs]

Has anyone used one of these kits ? And how does this price compare to buying the components individually ?

Army Land Rover 110 Perentie 4x4 Power Steering KIT | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Army-Land-Rover-110-Perentie-4x4-Power-Steering-Kit-/181239691424?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a32ba38a0&_uhb=1)

I Cinan,

Got one fitted by Brad @ KLR last week. $1700. Well worth it. It's a totally different LR now. But wait untill he puts in the turbo... Approx $4K.

[mattmac]

When i recently purchased my new Perentie GS i thought the first thing I'd be doing was installing a PAS kit but after driving it for about a month now i have no real desire to do it in a hurry -i actually prefer the feel of it to compared to my county with PAS. Admittedly parking can be a bit of PITA but general driving it's fine. I think the turbo might become the new priority!

[mudmouse]

Me too.

I don't do into car parks much, and the occasional reverse park doesn't both me in a Perentie.

Mind you, I'm not in a metro area.

I don't mind the lack of acceleration, but a turbo will be next.

[Chris078]

When i recently purchased my new Perentie GS i thought the first thing I'd be doing was installing a PAS kit but after driving it for about a month now i have no real desire to do it in a hurry -i actually prefer the feel of it to compared to my county with PAS. Admittedly parking can be a bit of PITA but general driving it's fine. I think the turbo might become the new priority!


If you want to lighten up the steering a bit, and make it more direct with less wandering/shaking etc.
replace the tie rods/steering damper and steering drop arm (pitman arm) and ball joint.

You can get aftermarket tie rod ends that still have a grease nipple (makes the last a hell of a lot longer) via the Quinton Hazell brand.

You can get the whole lot for $140 delivered from LRdirect.com. and it should be less and $200 for your mechanic to install then another $70 or so for a wheel alignment after you change the tie rod ends.

part numbers
RTC5869 (You need 2 of these)
RTC5870 x 1
qfw000020 x 1

[Phil B]

Has anyone used one of these kits ? And how does this price compare to buying the components individually ?

Army Land Rover 110 Perentie 4x4 Power Steering KIT | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Army-Land-Rover-110-Perentie-4x4-Power-Steering-Kit-/181239691424?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a32ba38a0&_uhb=1)



Hi Cinan,
$2500 is very expensive. About $800 to much if you include the $60 shipping.
Also the kit on Ebay relies on a belt driven pump whereas the KLR kit uses a new Isuzu pump which bolts onto the engine and runs off the timing gear. If you go belt drive you will not be easily able to install aircon or on board air in the future.
I recently fitted a KLR kit and am really pleased with it. The old "Armstrong" steering is ok on asphalt and gravel but gets a bit tiring (for my old arms) during slower off road lock to lock driving. I have found the PAS to be brilliant in all situations and highly recommend it.


Try messaging BadCo on here as he put one together himself from scratch. He will be able to give you a cost of doing it that way.


Regards,

[Chris078]

Just an FYI, the KLR power steering (http://www.klrautomotive.com.au/power-steering-mod/) kit just went up quite substantially in price.

now $2500 with a new steering box or
$2000 with a rebuilt steering box.

damn shame. Maybe if the AU$ gets a better exchange rate in the future the price may come down again, but that's the price for today.

<edit> it the mechanical p/s pump a Land rover part or an Isuzu part? and does anyone have a part number for it?

[BadCo.]

Hi Cinan,
$2500 is very expensive. About $800 to much if you include the $60 shipping.
Also the kit on Ebay relies on a belt driven pump whereas the KLR kit uses a new Isuzu pump which bolts onto the engine and runs off the timing gear. If you go belt drive you will not be easily able to install aircon or on board air in the future.
I recently fitted a KLR kit and am really pleased with it. The old "Armstrong" steering is ok on asphalt and gravel but gets a bit tiring (for my old arms) during slower off road lock to lock driving. I have found the PAS to be brilliant in all situations and highly recommend it.


Try messaging BadCo on here as he put one together himself from scratch. He will be able to give you a cost of doing it that way.


Regards,

From memory around $700 with second hand everything and any seals replaced.


Just an FYI, the KLR power steering (http://www.klrautomotive.com.au/power-steering-mod/) kit just went up quite substantially in price.

now $2500 with a new steering box or
$2000 with a rebuilt steering box.

damn shame. Maybe if the AU$ gets a better exchange rate in the future the price may come down again, but that's the price for today.

<edit> it the mechanical p/s pump a Land rover part or an Isuzu part? and does anyone have a part number for it?

So it went up $300? Or was it 1700 with new box? How has your exchange rate been lately?

The pump is Isuzu. It should be in the RPS for the 6x6 and Surveillance vehicles. Its is also common between other engines like 4BE1, I think.

[Bearman]

Isuzu 5195000460 is the part number for the p/s pump assembly.

[Bearman]

The 6BD1 pump will also work fine on them but it is a tad bigger in size but makes the steering super light:)

[Chris078]

So it went up $300? Or was it 1700 with new box? How has your exchange rate been lately?

HA! I just realized that the post with that price is from 3 years ago. That would explain the price differences to a degree.

Last couple of months has seen the AU$ go down against the pound, which means more expense for us :mad:

[Chris078]

Isuzu 5195000460 is the part number for the p/s pump assembly.


I'm looking at putting together the power steering components.
I just rang Brisbane Izuzu and that part number does not work for them.
Any other numbers or sources for the part?

Also, just to confirm, it's the Discovery 1 steering box that we can use?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Actually it's now $2.2K for the kit with a new steering box and pump.

KLR are trying to negotiate better prices and will adjust price if that happens.

Earlier last year you could buy new pumps for the 4BD1 off eBay in the US for about $US250. I bookmarked the ad and when I went to purchase one recently from the same vendor it was $US1,500 before shipping. You can guess I didn't buy it and had KLR fit one of their kits.

[BadCo.]

I'm looking at putting together the power steering components.
I just rang Brisbane Izuzu and that part number does not work for them.
Any other numbers or sources for the part?

Also, just to confirm, it's the Discovery 1 steering box that we can use?

You should be able to get a pump from a truck wreckers. From memory 4BD1, 4BE2 and maybe the 6BD1 will all work but there are differences in inlet/outlet orientation

Yes, disco 1, 4-bolt box.



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[rfurzer]

My 110 has the KLR kit - already fitted when I bought it.

It's super

R

[Chris078]

Actually it's $2.2K for the kit with a new steering box and pump.

KLR are trying to negotiate better prices and will adjust price if that happens.

Earlier last year you could buy new pumps for the 4BD1 off eBay in the US for about $US250. I bookmarked the ad and when I went to purchase one recently from the same vendor it was $US1,500 before shipping. You can guess I didn't buy it and had KLR fit one of their kits.


would that be this one lotsa?

NEW Buffalo USA Power Steering Pump BF443061160QA FOR FOR Isuzu 4BD1T | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Buffalo-USA-Power-Steering-Pump-BF443061160QA-for-FOR-ISUZU-4BD1T-/201502806419?hash=item2eea80d193:g:tUQAAOSwGotWlqw M)

$450 bucks delivered still seems like a good deal.

[Bearman]

I'm looking at putting together the power steering components.
I just rang Brisbane Izuzu and that part number does not work for them.
Any other numbers or sources for the part?

Also, just to confirm, it's the Discovery 1 steering box that we can use?

Sorry Chris, Not at home so can't check that number. Maybe someone with a RPS can help.

[BadCo.]

Sorry Chris, Not at home so can't check that number. Maybe someone with a RPS can help.

I found 5195000462

[Chris078]

I found 5195000462


That's the number I was using Badco. When I rang Isuzu, that number didn't work in their system :( .

<edit> guy just called me back, they found that number in the "part no longer available" list.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

would that be this one lotsa?

NEW Buffalo USA Power Steering Pump BF443061160QA FOR FOR Isuzu 4BD1T | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Buffalo-USA-Power-Steering-Pump-BF443061160QA-for-FOR-ISUZU-4BD1T-/201502806419?hash=item2eea80d193:g:tUQAAOSwGotWlqw M)

$450 bucks delivered still seems like a good deal.When it went to $1.5K I deleted it from my watch list. I seem to remember it cam from somewhere like Pittsburgh not Buffalo.

[Chris078]

When it went to $1.5K I deleted it from my watch list. I seem to remember it cam from somewhere like Pittsburgh not Buffalo.


Buffalo is the brand. It's actually located in Miami of all places!

Just a bit hesitant to lay down the coin. I mean, it looks like it will fit the motor, but does anyone know the details of the normal pump (like pressure, capacity etc)

The listing has these details attached to it.

OUTLET: G1/4 Manufacturer Part Number: BF443061160QA ROTATION: RIGHT Interchange Part Number: 8-97081-999-0 FLOW: 10 L/MIN Warranty: Yes CUBIC NOMINAL DIS: 12 CC INLET: O18 MM BAR: 100


hmmmm, comparing the picture on ebay to those on graysoline, the ebay one looks like it has 3 bolts to attach to the motor. The army ones appear to have only 2 and the flange is a different shape.

[Phil B]

Buffalo is the brand. It's actually located in Miami of all places!

Just a bit hesitant to lay down the coin. I mean, it looks like it will fit the motor, but does anyone know the details of the normal pump (like pressure, capacity etc)

The listing has these details attached to it.

OUTLET: G1/4 Manufacturer Part Number: BF443061160QA ROTATION: RIGHT Interchange Part Number: 8-97081-999-0 FLOW: 10 L/MIN Warranty: Yes CUBIC NOMINAL DIS: 12 CC INLET: O18 MM BAR: 100


hmmmm, comparing the picture on ebay to those on graysoline, the ebay one looks like it has 3 bolts to attach to the motor. The army ones appear to have only 2 and the flange is a different shape.



Grays on line had pumps in the last auction if that helps.


Regards,

[BadCo.]

The picture looks good, you'll have fun with the outlet though.

I might have one of these pumps I could sell you if you want.

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[Lotz-A-Landies]

Grays on line had pumps in the last auction if that helps.

Regards,Caveat emptor. None of the pumps are new and one has to ask yourself why were they taken off the engine in the first place? I have never seen any of the red the inspection tags (Unserviceable) on anything at the auctions, so you have to ask if they are always fitted by the Army when inspected why aren't they still attached?

It could merely be a faulty oil seal or O ring, but it could also be that the gears are so worn that it no longer works as a pump.

[Phil B]

Caveat emptor. None of the pumps are new and one has to ask yourself why were they taken off the engine in the first place? I have never seen any of the red the inspection tags (Unserviceable) on anything at the auctions, so you have to ask if they are always fitted by the Army when inspected why aren't they still attached?

It could merely be a faulty oil seal or O ring, but it could also be that the gears are so worn that it no longer works as a pump.



Agreed Diana but still much cheaper than new even if they had to be rebuilt.


Regards,

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Agreed Diana but still much cheaper than new even if they had to be rebuilt.

Regards,Not really when they went for over $400 at Graysonline/AFM October 2015 auction. http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0140-5016118/transport-trucks-and-trailers/power-steering-pump-gear-driven'redirect=0
Which makes Chris78's find a bargan at $450 delivered to your door.
would that be this one lotsa?

NEW Buffalo USA Power Steering Pump BF443061160QA FOR FOR Isuzu 4BD1T | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Buffalo-USA-Power-Steering-Pump-BF443061160QA-for-FOR-ISUZU-4BD1T-/201502806419?hash=item2eea80d193:g:tUQAAOSwGotWlqw M)

$450 bucks delivered still seems like a good deal.

[Chris078]

Grays on line had pumps in the last auction if that helps.


Regards,

Well i just coughed up $300 for one at the auctions. Hopefully it works.
Is there a seal kit for them or do you just throw it in and hope for the best?

Also may have found a second hand Disco 1 steering box. I know people have mentioned getting a seal kit for them. Anyone have a source?

[BadCo.]

Well i just coughed up $300 for one at the auctions. Hopefully it works.
Is there a seal kit for them or do you just throw it in and hope for the best?

Also may have found a second hand Disco 1 steering box. I know people have mentioned getting a seal kit for them. Anyone have a source?

Hey Chris, check out this thread. I think it was my first project hence all the questions haha, but it should have seals and orings etc in it for overhauling the PAS and steering box.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/212378-pas-install.html

[Chris078]

Hey Chris, check out this thread. I think it was my first project hence all the questions haha, but it should have seals and orings etc in it for overhauling the PAS and steering box.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/212378-pas-install.html


awesome! Thanks man.

I knew I'd seen a thread with the right info in it, but I was searching for ' Power steering' not PAS-install.

[BadCo.]

awesome! Thanks man.

I knew I'd seen a thread with the right info in it, but I was searching for ' Power steering' not PAS-install.

Me trying to be too clever eh.

If you come across something in the thread I left out just flick me a message.

Have fun!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Was chatting to KLR this morning and the issue of power steering came up.

There are a couple of updates at present: KLR do a new 4BD1 PAS pump with universal fittings to accept the hoses for the Perentie for $400.
The current kit price is $2,200. with a new Steering Box.
Fitting service available at $250.
There is currently a special on the kits via their Facebook page.Diana :)

[Chris078]

Was chatting to KLR this morning and the issue of power steering came up.

There are a couple of updates at present:

KLR do a new 4BD1 PAS pump with universal fittings to accept the hoses for the Perentie for $400.
The current kit price is $2,200. with a new Steering Box.
Fitting service available at $250.
There is currently a special on the kits via their Facebook page.

Diana :)


I'd don't have facebook. can someone pm me the special? might be worth eating the cost of the second hand pump I bought if it's good.

damn. wish I'd known that 3 days ago :(

[mudmouse]

Don't bash yourself up too much mate, plenty of people paid big bucks for vehicles they couldn't even start - that's the punt at an auction.